RBCanucks Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Does anyone actually think there is a better coach on the market that could replace AV? Gillis has made it clear he wants to stick with AV but cannot commit without first speaking with ownership. If AV is fired I seriously question the judgement of the Canuck's ownership. AV is one of the best coaches in the NHL and has this team playing the best hockey they've ever played. Firing AV would be a band-aide solution that ignores the underlying causes to why the Canucks "struggled" last season by only winning a second consecutive president's trophy. 1) Who could possibly replace AV and what he brings to the team? 2) MacTavish is nowhere near as good of a coach as AV. 3) There are plenty of holes in the Canucks roster that need to be filled before coaching can be blamed for the teams "poor" performance. - Raymond practically non-existent after returning from his injury - Kassian not NHL ready and grossly underperformed - Sedins in addition to Daniel's concussion both hugely underperformed - Kesler did not return from his injury at 100% and appeared to be struggling with injuries for most of the season - Bieksa seemed to be playing injured for most of the season - Booth got injured just when he started to find his stride and underperformed upon his return - Higgins always performed but injuries kept him sidelined and occasionally off his game - Malhotra non-existent this season and a major detraction from the 4th line - Salo faced several injuries and was having trouble down the stretch - Edler had the worst playoff performance of his career - Hodgson off-ice attitude greatly detracted from on ice-performance and relationship with team - Lack of a consistent 4th line due to injuries Teams need to be built from the ground up, not from the top down. A hardworking and tough-as-nails 4th line needs to be established (with suitable replacements for injured players), then a top shut down 3rd line, then the top 6. All extra players should either be used as depth players in case of injuries to the top 9, sent down or traded. Players can be moved up in the lineup but it's a lot harder to move players down and still be successful due to the differences in roles. In other words it's easier to turn a grunt into a goal-scorer than a goal-scorer into a grunt. For example, Lapierre is gritty and hardworking and can fit into the top 6 when necessary despite being taylor made for the 4th line. This however cannot be said of the Sedins or Raymond, none of which could play on 4th line and not detract from the team as a whole. Blaming AV's coaching for the teams poor performance is short-sighted and shows a serious lack of understanding of the game. While some of his decisions have caused me to scratch my head I understand that in a lot of cases his hands are tied by management due to player contracts and the inability to send underperforming "veterans" down to the AHL. If we lose AV, unless we are able to get Mike Babcock, Dan Bylsma, Paul MacClean, or Peter Laviolette be prepared to REALLY start complaining about the team's poor performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Four way deal: To Tampa Bay: Roberto Luongo & Montreal's 1st round pick To Montreal: Vincent Lecavalier, Alain Vigneault & Vancouver's 1st round pick. To Nashville: Tomas Plekanec & Tampa's 1st round pick. To Vancouver: Shea Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gradin123 Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 Does anyone actually think there is a better coach on the market that could replace AV? Gillis has made it clear he wants to stick with AV but cannot commit without first speaking with ownership. If AV is fired I seriously question the judgement of the Canuck's ownership. AV is one of the best coaches in the NHL and has this team playing the best hockey they've ever played. Firing AV would be a band-aide solution that ignores the underlying causes to why the Canucks "struggled" last season by only winning a second consecutive president's trophy. 1) Who could possibly replace AV and what he brings to the team? 2) MacTavish is nowhere near as good of a coach as AV. 3) There are plenty of holes in the Canucks roster that need to be filled before coaching can be blamed for the teams "poor" performance. - Raymond practically non-existent after returning from his injury - Kassian not NHL ready and grossly underperformed - Sedins both hugely underperformed in addition to Daniel's concussion - Kesler did not return from his injury at 100% and appeared to be struggling with injuries for most of the season - Bieksa seemed to be playing injured for most of the season - Booth got injured just when he started to find his stride and underperformed upon his return - Higgins always performed but injuries kept him sidelined and occasionally off his game - Malhotra non-existent this season and a major detraction from the 4th line - Salo faced several injuries and was having trouble down the stretch - Edler had the worst playoff performance of his career - Hodgson off-ice attitude greatly detracted from on ice-performance and relationship with team - Lack of a consistent 4th line due to injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostViking Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 I thought Crawford was in the broadcast booth when the Canucks hired him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Do we get rid of the winningest coach in Canuck history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Didn't we get a 2nd rounder from Anaheim for letting them hire Carlyle? It would certainly explain the silence about what is going on with the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBCanucks Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Why even contemplate such a senario? Do we get rid of the winningest coach in Canuck history? Do we get rid of the best GM MG that the Canucks have ever had? Just because Montreal 'may' want AV, does that mean that we should give him to them? Montreal would probably want the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Hamhuis and Beiksa too but are we going to give them to them? It is Vancouver's turn to take the spotlight now and with a bit of tweaking, the Canucks will win the Cup in the near future. We have 2 great goalies that most teams would be happy to have and we can't aford them both. Whichever one departs will bring a really good player or players coming this way and make the team better. This is shaping up to be a really exciting time to be a Canuck fan and the right guys are driving the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 I've never heard of this happening in the NHL. It happened just last year in MLB though, Ozzie Guillen was traded to the Marlins from the White Sox. I can't remember what for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDR Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 I love the Hockey style the Canucks play and that is a product of AV and what I call the "Sedin's way of play". The Sedin's way is selfless, make the play that leads to the best chance at a goal. We all love watching Henrik come down off centre, bringing the play to him and getting a good scoring chance only to disk the puck at the last second to get a spectacular goal. That style is what AV enforces and develops. We are the top team in the leauge because of AV. Now, if we were to somehow loose him, sure get as much as you can. Montreal would love to have him, along with most of the teams. Not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Why even contemplate such a senario? Do we get rid of the winningest coach in Canuck history? Do we get rid of the best GM MG that the Canucks have ever had? Just because Montreal 'may' want AV, does that mean that we should give him to them? Montreal would probably want the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Hamhuis and Beiksa too but are we going to give them to them? It is Vancouver's turn to take the spotlight now and with a bit of tweaking, the Canucks will win the Cup in the near future. The have 2 great goalies that most teams would be happy to have and we can't aford them both. Whichever one departs will bring a really good player or players coming this way and make the team better. This is shaping up to be a really exciting time to be a Canuck fan and the right guys are driving the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkin'2929 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Canucks Management probably has no choice other than to step aside and let AV audition for other positions, if indeed that is what is happening. If AV were offered a position at (say) Montreal and he accepts, there is probably no reason why Canucks Management would not release him from his contract. For all concerned, this is probably the cleanest scenario to break up the partnership. AV does not deserve to leave here in disgrace by being fired from his position. He has brought too much positivity to this team. Equally, the Canucks have a sufficiently high enough profile to attract a top-flight replacement coach, if that is what they are looking for. Not that it would be a good thing to see AV go. But, there is a suspicion that he seems to have lost the ear of his players. You can clearly see that in the lacklustre level of play that we have all seen from them. Their work ethic on the ice leaves much to be desired, and really does make you question the level of professionalism of some players on this roster, who are far more deserving of being shown the door than AV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinTelepathy Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 I've never heard of this happening in the NHL. It happened just last year in MLB though, Ozzie Guillen was traded to the Marlins from the White Sox. I can't remember what for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinTelepathy Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Does anyone actually think there is a better coach on the market that could replace AV? Gillis has made it clear he wants to stick with AV but cannot commit without first speaking with ownership. If AV is fired I seriously question the judgement of the Canuck's ownership. AV is one of the best coaches in the NHL and has this team playing the best hockey they've ever played. Firing AV would be a band-aide solution that ignores the underlying causes to why the Canucks "struggled" last season by only winning a second consecutive president's trophy. 1) Who could possibly replace AV and what he brings to the team? 2) MacTavish is nowhere near as good of a coach as AV. 3) There are plenty of holes in the Canucks roster that need to be filled before coaching can be blamed for the teams "poor" performance. - Raymond practically non-existent after returning from his injury - Kassian not NHL ready and grossly underperformed - Sedins in addition to Daniel's concussion both hugely underperformed - Kesler did not return from his injury at 100% and appeared to be struggling with injuries for most of the season - Bieksa seemed to be playing injured for most of the season - Booth got injured just when he started to find his stride and underperformed upon his return .- Higgins always performed but injuries kept him sidelined and occasionally off his game - Malhotra non-existent this season and a major detraction from the 4th line - Salo faced several injuries and was having trouble down the stretch - Edler had the worst playoff performance of his career - Hodgson off-ice attitude greatly detracted from on ice-performance and relationship with team - Lack of a consistent 4th line due to injuries Teams need to be built from the ground up, not from the top down. A hardworking and tough-as-nails 4th line needs to be established (with suitable replacements for injured players), then a top shut down 3rd line, then the top 6. All extra players should either be used as depth players in case of injuries to the top 9, sent down or traded. Players can be moved up in the lineup but it's a lot harder to move players down and still be successful due to the differences in roles. In other words it's easier to turn a grunt into a goal-scorer than a goal-scorer into a grunt. For example, Lapierre is gritty and hardworking and can fit into the top 6 when necessary despite being taylor made for the 4th line. This however cannot be said of the Sedins or Raymond, none of which could play on 4th line and not detract from the team as a whole. Blaming AV's coaching for the teams poor performance is short-sighted and shows a serious lack of understanding of the game. While some of his decisions have caused me to scratch my head I understand that in a lot of cases his hands are tied by management due to player contracts and the inability to send underperforming "veterans" down to the AHL. If we lose AV, unless we are able to get Mike Babcock, Dan Bylsma, Paul MacClean, or Peter Laviolette be prepared to REALLY start complaining about the team's poor performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canacks1970 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 But what if AV wants to leave? Yes it is speculation but we don't know that he wants to stay here. He may very well rather take the Montreal job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
406281dylan Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 we can not let av go because he is succesful here and u have to understand that the guy can only do so much to get the team going. We got shut out in game 7 to boston not cause of AV but cause the line who was putting the puck in the net for us that series was the max,raffi,hansen line other then that everyone else was non existent, luongo choked defence sucked balls the sedins could not get a point.Then this year the only guys who were playing really well were the sedins and schneider so u cant blame av for everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinTelepathy Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 And who to say he wants to go back to Montreal. You think the fans will treat him any better there then here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canacks1970 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Scotty Bowman. Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realnucksfan2010 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Why? Why would we want to get rid of a great coach who has coached this team to within one game of a cup? All this team needs IMO is for MG to fill in a few missing parts, maybe move one or two existing parts and we will be there (playing for the cup) again, I have no doubts. Granted we had an off year, I my self initially was calling for a new coach, but upon further contemplation I now see that who will replace AV? Right now there is no one better to coach this team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canacks1970 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 We dealt with Randy Cunneyworth (who didn't do any better than Paul Martin)so.... Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 If A.V couldn't speak french, Montreal wouldn't even look at him period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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