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Should The Canucks Have Traded For Mike Richards? Did We Miss Out?


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#31 k_man08

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:52 PM

Richards cap hit is $5.75m. How did we manage to fit that in by losing Raymonds $2.55m and Hodgsons $1.66m ($4.21m total)

on top of which, he earns $8.4m next year..........


If we get Richards, that means we also don't take oh Pahlsson's salary so that makes up for the cap hit i think.


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Posted 04 May 2012 - 02:30 PM

I for one don't want Richard's million year, gazzilion dollar contract...

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 04:12 PM

I wonder if Kesler works on his passing this summer if he's not doing his normal rehab offseason.that is. When he worked on his shot a few offseasons ago it became 5 times better.


I've always thought Kesler's goal scoring ability was overrated. It's always the same routine. Gain the zone and take a non threatening wrister. He is a much better play maker than given credit.

He may have scored 40 goals 2 seasons ago, but much of it was with the Sedins on that lethal PP.

Kesler scored 75 points the season before and he did it playing with Raymond and Samuelsson. We need THAT Kesler back.


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Posted 04 May 2012 - 04:17 PM

we should have traded la Raymond Ballard Coho 1st for Simmonds and a 1st

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 05:58 PM

I'd say no.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 07:56 PM

Mike Richards? A 27 year old who still parties like he's 19? Maturity goes a long way, so no thank you

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:02 PM

I'd have rather traded Coho and Raymond at the deadline for Johansen and a 2nd rounder.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:33 PM

Mike Richards? A 27 year old who still parties like he's 19? Maturity goes a long way, so no thank you

..Oh! You must mean like the maturity Kesler displays.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:00 PM

I've always thought Kesler's goal scoring ability was overrated. It's always the same routine. Gain the zone and take a non threatening wrister. He is a much better play maker than given credit.

He may have scored 40 goals 2 seasons ago, but much of it was with the Sedins on that lethal PP.

Kesler scored 75 points the season before and he did it playing with Raymond and Samuelsson. We need THAT Kesler back.

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That Kesler played his best with Samuelson as his linemate. Unfortunatley he's gone. So we need to somehowe find another player that can gel well with KEsler.

 

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:02 PM

And no, we didn't miss out. Not very good numbers for a guy playing top line minutes last year, and also salary wise, doesn't make sense. You get another player on our team that puts up as much points as he did, he will ask for similar money, then were screwed. He's playing well in the playoffs, but thats too much money to risk to "think" he will do well in the playoffs.

 

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:11 PM

Richards cap hit is $5.75m. How did we manage to fit that in by losing Raymonds $2.55m and Hodgsons $1.66m ($4.21m total)

on top of which, he earns $8.4m next year..........


The cap hit is still 5.75

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:52 AM

I'd rather have a player that can enjoy his time off the ice partying and rip it up when the games count (playoffs) rather than someone who sits home all day on off days and plays average during games/playoff games.

It really would have been nice to trade for Richards but of course in our scenario with the cap issue it would have been very difficult for the other party to be satisfied with the assets going their way.

IF we had Richards though...oh man. 2nd line center with Kes on the right wing. Beauty.

Also for those of you saying "Why would you want Kesler moved to the wing, he's a center", Kesler played on the Right Wing at times at Ohio state. He also played RW with Sundin and was very successful at it.
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:53 AM

It drives me nuts when people suggest we put Kesler on the wing. It is like suggesting people put Toews or Datsyuk on the wings, "because they can then focus only on scoring". These are not 1-dimensional guys. Rather, they're the most reliable defensive players in the league, and they're all really good at taking faceoffs. MG58, it's not personal, but you armchair GM all the time so I don't know why you'd suggest this. It's madness to take one of the league's best defensive centres (last year's top guy, mind you) out of his natural position. Simply put, it is NOT worth the extra 10 goals and 10 assists he'll get.

In relation to your proposal, it's crazy to put the less reliable centre there. Unless he's improved, he's never had a very good f/o%, and I don't think he's gotten a single Selke nomination. It made sense for Cody Hodgson to replace Malhotra's role. It makes absolutely no sense for Richards to replace Kesler's role. I think you are underestimating his defensive capabilities and the value that brings to the team's success.

The proposal itself seems sound, but I think you need to factor in Richard's colossal contract. That was a serious risk that LA took, one that Gillis has stated he doesn't want to go for.


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Posted 05 May 2012 - 09:13 AM

What I say what we should do is relocate the team to Kansas City, then trade the twins for draft picks send Burrow to the minors buy out Kesler contract. We can have Sweat Schroeder Jensen on the top line total offence making potential. Lack start, Cory back up hate that guy. Hansen we can use him on the second line with Richards that we will trade all of our 1 rounders for the next 20 years. Then we can sign Brunnstrom to a 5 mil contract because he will make a come back..............................................................

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 09:47 AM

The Los Angeles Kings got Mike Richards for Wayne Simmons, Brayden Schenn, and a 2nd Round Draft Pick. I'm sure the Canucks could have offered an equal package of Mason Raymond, Cody Hodgson, and our 1st Round Pick to the Philadelphia Flyers.

Imagine this as the Canucks line up heading into the 2011/12 playoffs.

Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Alex Burrows
David Booth - Mike Richards - Ryan Kesler
Chris Higgins - Samuel Pahlsson - Jannik Hansen
Manny Malhotra - Maxim Lapierre - Dale Weise

Dan Hamhuis - Kevin Bieksa
Alex Edler - Sami Salo
Keith Ballard - Chris Tanev

Roberto Luongo
Cody Schneider

Ryan Kesler could have moved to the wing and focus only on scoring, while the Kings could have been much weaker without Mike Richards on their team.






O'Brien. the problem with Richards is he was traded out of Philly because he liked to party. So in the eyes of Mike Gillis he would be another Shane O'Brien. Canuck management is afraid of player who have personality and afraid of players who take penalties.
That is why Torres was not resigned but marco Sturm and Alex Sulzer were.
That is also why Bitz was benched in games 4-5.
Can you actually imagine Philly trading for Raymond???









Richards cap hit is $5.75m. How did we manage to fit that in by losing Raymonds $2.55m and Hodgsons $1.66m ($4.21m total)

on top of which, he earns $8.4m next year..........




Booth $4.5 Hodgson $1.66 the salery could fit but the peronality would not
nor would that package entice the Flyers.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 09:49 AM

Hmm 1st time I tried multiquote and half my post disappered.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 10:00 AM

Yes. Richards>Kesler 24/7/365
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 10:53 AM

I'M POSSITIVE THEY WOULD NOT TRADE HIM
FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO OFFER THEM.
AND WE NEED A WINGER FOR KES
NOT ANOTHER CENTER :picard:

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 11:06 AM

You win in the playoffs with "gamers".the few the Canucks have were off or inconsistent this year.Problem is they cost a lot to acquire and against the cap.That 2003 draft produced a huge crop of them.The other issue is they get beat up over their careers and are a little scary to acquire when you know there medical history.Best way to get them is to acquire multiple high draft picks and select carefully.IE not always BPA.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 11:17 AM

If I were Philly I would take LA's package for sure.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:50 PM

The cap hit is still 5.75


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It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:54 PM

..Oh! You must mean like the maturity Kesler displays.


never said I was a fan of kesler either.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 01:37 PM

I can't believe nobody's said it yet......
Mason Raymond had a broken back at the time. Simmons didn't, how would we equal that trade?
So no we didn't miss out.


Not only that, but the Richards trade was made 10 days after Game 6. Pretty certain Philly wouldn't have been to interested in one of our at the time crippled players.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 01:54 PM

Oh god, don't tell me people are actually thinking this guys living up to expectations, cause he's not. A couple of fluke sharp angle goals in the playoffs off Luongo and Elliot after a crappy regular season and all of a sudden he's god. I would not want his type on our team, lots of money, and does nothing. He's being carried my the rest of the team so he looks good
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:07 PM

Oh god, don't tell me people are actually thinking this guys living up to expectations, cause he's not. A couple of fluke sharp angle goals in the playoffs off Luongo and Elliot after a crappy regular season and all of a sudden he's god. I would not want his type on our team, lots of money, and does nothing. He's being carried my the rest of the team so he looks good


Those aren't flukes, he was trying to catch the goalie cheating for the pass.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 10:25 PM

Hodgson was not an asset last summer. He only became what he was worth after playing 2/3 of the season with us and we inflated his stats with the protected minutes we gave him. Schenn was 10X the prospect that Hodgson was.

Raymond had a broken back. How the F*%$ are you gonna sell that to Holmgren?

29th overall pick? Sure, that's slightly better than a 2nd round pick...

Those three will not have gotten us Mike Richards. We had no chance to match LA's package.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 11:01 AM

It's definitely true that Schenn had (and has) more value than Hodgson and Simmonds certainly had more value than Mason Raymond with a broken back, not to mention Simmonds is a perfect fit on the Flyers. I don't think we ever had a chance to make that trade.

Yes. Richards>Kesler 24/7/365


This is also true. People pointing out what a lousy year Richards had should also look at what a lousy year the entire team had. Then there is the character factor. I don't know about you but I don't care how hard a player parties if he plays like Richards does.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:22 PM

With raymond hurt at the time, it likely would not have been possible.
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