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#31 shazzam

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:14 PM

isn't this like asking Kesler or henrik?

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:15 PM

Thornton has 34 points in 38 games the last 3 playoffs.

Kesler has 32 points in 42 games.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I forgot to mention Thornton's never made it past the third round.

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:16 PM

No show Joe for Kes?? No deal! I probably wouldn't consider taking no show for anything actually... he's consistently a non-playoff factor. B-town won the cup without him. For those people thinking otherwise...how is thorton, marleau, couture not stacked? Playoff heart matters...

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:16 PM

Wouldn't do Kesler for Datsyuk, Dats is 6 years older and has injury problems.

Edited by MalkinisBeast, 07 May 2012 - 09:20 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:17 PM

isn't this like asking Kesler or henrik?

Henrik>Thornton, and makes 1 mill less. Henrik>Kesler>Thornton valuewise.

Edited by MalkinisBeast, 07 May 2012 - 09:19 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:18 PM

Thornton has 34 points in 38 games the last 3 playoffs.

Kesler has 32 points in 42 games.

You have no idea what you are talking about.


It seems you don't know what you are talking about. I don't care about his points. When has he been a game changer in the playoffs like Kelser was against Nashville? He may have a couple more points, but a game changer he is not.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:29 PM

Kesler fits the 2nd line centre role better. Thorntons a first line player....wouldn't wanna play second fiddle to Hank

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:30 PM

Thornton and Kesler are far different players
Kesler boasts a ton more defensive qualities which are important for a center, Thornton doesn't backcheck most of the time.

So what you ask Thornton vs Kesler has no argument, for in our lineup:
Henrik / Kesler > Henrik / Thornton
however in a first line offensive role
Thornton > Kesler
likewise a 2nd line, offensive but relied more so than the first to shut the opposing first / second line scoring.
Kesler > Thronton

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:39 PM

dude Joe Thornton is the biggest choke artist ever

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:02 PM

Thornton is a better player than Kesler but Kesler is younger. I'd say theur values are
similar, slight edge to Kesler as he can PK.

I wouldn't make the trade if proposed purely on Kesler's potential. If Kesler were to have another sub-par his value will drop significantly , expected a solid season from him this year.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:02 PM

Thornton any day over Kesler. Not even close. Reason? Here's a summary of a typical Ryan Kesler Shift:

.....Get puck in neutral zone. Skat fast with head down. Get across opposing team's blueline. Team mates may or may not be open, don't know because head is down. Sitck handle and take wrist shot from 50 feet out. Shot hits defenseman's shin pad. Opposing player collects puck and breaks out. Skate back hard on backcheck.....

I'll give it to him though, he earns every cent of his $5 million contract skating back on the back check.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:15 PM

Sedin Sedin Kassian
Booth Thornton Burrows

pretty awsome if it ever happend,


Kassian is a 1st line winger??? Did I miss something?

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:17 PM

Kassian is a 1st line winger??? Did I miss something?


Yup he should be if he ever wants to reach his potential.
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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:18 PM

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:36 PM

Thornton has been alot better the past couple of playoffs compared to his previous years. However, just like the Sedins, he is just an average 1st liner in the playoffs.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:37 PM

Definitely Kesler. If you were talking about younger Thornton in his prime that would be a different scenario

But the type of player Kesler is, his age and salary, I would go for him.
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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:38 PM

I take Kesler in a heartbeat. He's gonna have a chip on his shoulder. He wasn't happy about his season and wants to show everyone his true form. Wait and see.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:39 PM

Here's another one:

Kesler for Datsyuk??

Just remember, Datsyuk would be our 2nd line center not 1st, so would not be playing against top d pairings and checkers.


Datsyuk is probably the best player in the NHL right now. If that happened...(one for one) I would personally perform sexual acts for all the male cdc members.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:51 PM

Without Henrik, I'd take Thornton easy. But with him, Thornton is a little redundant. Kesler brings something to the table that Thornton and Henrik doesn't, that is why he is so important.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:08 PM

That would be monstrous to have Joe and Hank as our top 2 centers. There passing abilities are probably in the top 5 since the lockout.
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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:12 PM

Kesler all the way. This is no joke. Kesler needs to rest up again, and he will be back next year. He might not get 40 goals it depends on who Gillis brings in to the 2nd position, but Kesler please.

Players Nikolaj Ehlers have been compared too by the fan base of the Vancouver Canucks.

 

1 Pavel Bure

2 Markus Naslund

3 Nathan Mackkinon

4 Jonathan Drouin.

5 Jonathan Tavares

 

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:14 AM

Here's another one:

Kesler for Datsyuk??

Just remember, Datsyuk would be our 2nd line center not 1st, so would not be playing against top d pairings and checkers.


About as likely as Kesler for Crosby.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:00 AM

Kesler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thornton

Care to explain?

For me, its Big Joe. I let the ppg do the talking rather then Canuck bias.



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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:04 AM

dude Joe Thornton is the biggest choke artist ever


By your logic then I guess, Kes, Lu and the Sedins are chokers aswell.



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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:08 AM

Thornton has 34 points in 38 games the last 3 playoffs.

Kesler has 32 points in 42 games.

You have no idea what you are talking about.


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:19 AM

Thornton would be better suited. Our 2nd line needs a playmaker and Thornton is one of the best. Right now the only good passer in our top-6 is Henrik Sedin, which is why our offence is drying up of late.

Kesler either needs to play better defensively and get back to his 50-assist level where he was playing so selflessly, or GTFO. His selfish play (not only hogging the puck, but playing injured) has cost our team its depth offence and has been a huge reason for our last 2 playoff exits.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:25 AM

So much blatant homerism, Thornton is by the far the better player and is a first line center on a majority of teams in the NHL. Kesler is good second line center, who might become a few teams first line center. With that said Thornton instead of Kesler on the Canucks would definitely make them a better team.

I also loved the comment that "Thornton can't backcheck", the guy can be a monster defensively. Whoever says that Joe Thornton is an one dimensional player has clearly never watched the guy play. I am a Hawks fan and I would definitely put Big Joe ahead of even Toews. Sometimes you have to take the blinders off and be objective of players on other teams.

To all those calling Thornton a choker, Dave Bolland had a higher ppg in the playoffs than either Henrik or Daniel Sedin, does that make the Sedins chokers?

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:31 AM

So much blatant homerism, Thornton is by the far the better player and is a first line center on a majority of teams in the NHL. Kesler is good second line center, who might become a few teams first line center. With that said Thornton instead of Kesler on the Canucks would definitely make them a better team.

I also loved the comment that "Thornton can't backcheck", the guy can be a monster defensively. Whoever says that Joe Thornton is an one dimensional player has clearly never watched the guy play. I am a Hawks fan and I would definitely put Big Joe ahead of even Toews. Sometimes you have to take the blinders off and be objective of players on other teams.

To all those calling Thornton a choker, Dave Bolland had a higher ppg in the playoffs than either Henrik or Daniel Sedin, does that make the Sedins chokers?


While I do agree that we over value Kesler, due to age, I'd take Toews over Thornton any day.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:38 AM

While I do agree that we over value Kesler, due to age, I'd take Toews over Thornton any day.


So would I and I would be reluctant to deal Kesler for Thornton as well. I am just speaking purely as in who's the better player as of now and that would be Thornton. In the Canucks case though, you have to consider that the Canucks window for a Cup will continue reducing as the Sedins age, so I would definitely consider pulling this deal off as it makes the team better immediately. I am a huge fan of Thornton, the guy can literally do everything on the ice. I think if you ask Sharks fans they will tell you that they would trade just about anyone on their team before JT.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:43 AM

So much blatant homerism, Thornton is by the far the better player and is a first line center on a majority of teams in the NHL. Kesler is good second line center, who might become a few teams first line center. With that said Thornton
instead of Kesler on the Canucks would definitely make them a better team.

I also loved the comment that "Thornton can't backcheck", the guy can be a monster defensively. Whoever says that Joe Thornton is an one dimensional player has clearly never
watched the guy play. I am a Hawks fan and I would definitely put Big Joe ahead of even Toews. Sometimes you have to take the blinders off and be objective of players on other teams.

To all those calling Thornton a choker, Dave Bolland had a higher ppg in the playoffs than either Henrik or Daniel Sedin, does that make the Sedins chokers?

So you'd rather have the guy that did zilch against Toews rather than the guy who held him to 0 points until the last 2 minutes of game 7?

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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