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#1 nucklehead2

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:06 AM

After this upcoming season the Canucks and Mike Gillis have some interesting decisions to make about contract extensions and who not to extend... and most of them involve a group of players the team has had success with in the past few seasons. Here are a list of players after the 2012- 2013 that will need new contracts who would you keep?
Personally I'd say everyone but Burrows and Edler would be gone

UFA's: Manny Malhotra, Alex Burrows, Chris Higgins, Maxim Lapierre, Alex Edler, Andrew Alberts

There are also a bunch of RFA's who are young up and coming prospects who will be restricted after next season.

For more here's CapGeek: http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=29
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:28 AM

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I hope we dump Raymond this coming summer. I've said it before, I hope someone offer sheets Raymond so we can get a pick out of it.

In two years time you cannot let guys like Burrows, Higgins, Edler and Lapierre go. It's safe to assume these guys are apart of the core of this team, and all have taken a pay cut to continue to play here, I can't see any of them leaving.

Malholtra will hopefully retire, I'd like to see him with the organization as a scout or auxillary. His injury is unfortunate, hard to justify that kind of contract for a 4th line centre, especially with a cap rollback.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:28 AM

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LOL, CAP?

You'll find that certain teams disregard the cap like it didn't exist. Those teams are generally successful.

We'll keep everyone here, sign everybody available, and win with entire league in our organization. Cheers.


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:34 AM

just get rid of raymond.....that shouldnt be too much to ask for
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:38 AM

Keep!
Edler
Burrows
Tanev

Keep.
Gragnani

Keep only If...
Higgins - only if he doesn't ask for more than 2mil
Lapierre - only if he doesn't ask for more than 1.5mil
Malhotra - only if he takes a pay cut
Raymond - only if he takes a pay cut, and we use him in a checking role
Bitz and Wiese - only if there are open spots as a 12th and 13th forward, and they do not ask for
large pay increases
Rome - only if we don't have better options for a 6-7 dman
Salo - only if he doesn't retire

Dump!
Alberts
Ebbet
Volpatti
Pahlsson

Trade
Schneider
or
Luongo
(I'm not ballsy enough to make that decision)
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:40 AM

It's not so much who we would let go. I would keep everyone if I had my way.

However, the way I see it now, we are a Perry first line gritty sniper, an Evander Kane and a big rugged defender (it doesn't have to be Weber and I think Suter is too small) short of being where we need to be.

To accomplish that I would part with anyone bar the Sedins, Kesler Burrows and Kassian in offence and Bieksa and Hamhuis (and Salo if he'll come back) in defence.

Anyone else on the roster is fair game to achieve this.

It is not as if we would lose everyone else anyway.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:45 AM

Of the upcoming UFA's only

Keep: Alex Burrows, Chris Higgins, Maxim Lapierre, Alex Edler,
Let walk: Manny Malhotra, Andrew Alberts

obviously this depends on how much each player is asking for but based on current salaries the above is how I would do it.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:47 AM

Keep!
Edler
Burrows
Tanev

Keep.
Gragnani

Keep only If...
Higgins - only if he doesn't ask for more than 2mil
Lapierre - only if he doesn't ask for more than 1.5mil
Malhotra - only if he takes a pay cut
Raymond - only if he takes a pay cut, and we use him in a checking role
Bitz and Wiese - only if there are open spots as a 12th and 13th forward, and they do not ask for
large pay increases
Rome - only if we don't have better options for a 6-7 dman
Salo - only if he doesn't retire

Dump!
Alberts
Ebbet
Volpatti
Pahlsson

Trade
Schneider
or
Luongo
(I'm not ballsy enough to make that decision)


Wat?

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:53 AM

Wat?


Yessir, I do not see him being a top nine forward for our team,
therefore he is not needed.
That said, I am open to the possibility of being wrong about him.
He performed well when given the opportunity this year.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:03 PM

I'd trade Burr and Luongo (or Schneider - much rather keep Schneider, but one of them needs to go - that's a lot of value just sitting there on the table, otherwise) and keep everyone else. I know, I know. Burr is good with the Swededs (most of the time), but as I see it, we are an all-star dman, a power forward who can make an impact today (Kassian will add to that in the next two to three years, but not likely next season), and a pure goal scorer away from being the well rounded team we need to be, and you have to give some to get some. Plus, I think he's a bit of a "rat".
Ideally, the power forward would also be that goal scorer, but as rare a commodity as one of those is, I'd be happy to fill those roles with two players. You can't really just address the defense only or first, either. Scoring has to improve on this team, period. I think you have to get these three player types in here immediately to have a real shot at taking the next step.
None of this takes cap into account, but that's one of those things a good GM could massage into place. Also, I have no understanding of the NHL salary rules/structure. It's never interested me enough for me to try to figure it out.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:24 PM

get rid of the player's that have tarnished this organization with their diving and yapping and biting. I.e. Kesler, Burrows, Lapierre
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:27 PM

get rid of the player's that have tarnished this organization with their diving and yapping and biting. I.e. Kesler, Burrows, Lapierre


We're talking aboout players with a fa status in the next couple years,
not just general complaints about players.
Kesler is not one of the options.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:28 PM

get rid of the player's that have tarnished this organization with their diving and yapping and biting. I.e. Kesler, Burrows, Lapierre


Laughable. "Tarnished the organization"?
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:34 PM

Keep:
Burrows
Kassian
Kesler
Sedins
Lappy
Higgy
Weise
Edler
Hammer
Tanev
Hansen

Trade:
Luo
Raymond
Bieksa
Alberts
Rome
Bitz
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:37 PM

It's not so much who we would let go. I would keep everyone if I had my way.

However, the way I see it now, we are a Perry first line gritty sniper, an Evander Kane and a big rugged defender (it doesn't have to be Weber and I think Suter is too small) short of being where we need to be.

To accomplish that I would part with anyone bar the Sedins, Kesler Burrows and Kassian in offence and Bieksa and Hamhuis (and Salo if he'll come back) in defence.

Anyone else on the roster is fair game to achieve this.

It is not as if we would lose everyone else anyway.


Ok, now go tell the Ducks fans or the Jets fans that you want Perry or Kane without giving any of our star players.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:40 PM

Laughable. "Tarnished the organization"?


I agree it's laughable, and this guy is overreacting, but I was honestly embarrassed watching Kesler dive in the LA series. Some were plain blatant and there was no defending his actions to my anti-Canuck friends whose opinion of our team is mired with memories of the antics of the Boston series.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:02 PM

Keep!
Edler
Burrows
Tanev

Keep.
Gragnani

Keep only If...
Higgins - only if he doesn't ask for more than 2mil
Lapierre - only if he doesn't ask for more than 1.5mil
Malhotra - only if he takes a pay cut
Raymond - only if he takes a pay cut, and we use him in a checking role
Bitz and Wiese - only if there are open spots as a 12th and 13th forward, and they do not ask for
large pay increases
Rome - only if we don't have better options for a 6-7 dman
Salo - only if he doesn't retire

Dump!
Alberts
Ebbet
Volpatti
Pahlsson

Trade
Schneider
or
Luongo
(I'm not ballsy enough to make that decision)


Exactly what I was going to write. :lol:


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:14 PM

Keep:
Burrows
Kassian
Kesler
Sedins
Lappy
Higgy
Weise
Edler
Hammer
Tanev
Hansen

Trade:
Luo
Raymond
Bieksa
Alberts
Rome
Bitz


Bieska has a NTC
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:32 PM

I have to agree with the Kesler diving thing. He needs to forget drawing penalties and play his gritty, on the edge style that makes him an awesome force. If he does, teams will draw themselves into penalties.
Burrows is an obvious keeper. Does'nt seem to care about the big payday. He loves Vancouver and the team. He's gonna get a raise, but I don't see him being interested in trying to gouge the team. He wants to win.
Manny Malhotra is a great team guy, but he has to bring more to the table. Gonna be a make or break season for him.
Andrew Alberts is history. He never provided the physical aspect they picked him up for.
I like Chris Higgins. Good utility guy. Solid third liner who can fill temporary holes on the second line. He can play either wing. As long as they can sign him to a similar deal to what he has now he's a keeper.
Maxime LaPierre is another keeper at the right price. He showed great chemistry with Henrick when his brother was out. Another third liner, in my opinion, who can fill holes when necessary.
I'm not sold on Alex Edler. He seems to disappear when the stakes are raised. If Vancouver wants to win a cup, he needs to rise to the occasion if he's going to be our premier defenseman moving forward, otherwise I see him being future trade bait.
An important consideration is potential rookies moving up. Nicholas Jensen is looking to be an amazing player. I see him taking a spot in the next couple of seasons. Kevin Connauton needs to work a bit more on his defensive game. If he can get a grip on his duties there, he also may steal a spot. This could change everything.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:43 PM

Raymond has to go, we would be much better off signing or aquiring somebody with some size and grit to take Raymond's roster spot on the bottom six. Booth has taken his spot on the 2nd line and Raymond isn't cut out physically to be a grinder.

Ballard is also a player that NEEDS to be traded somehow. Have to find a way to dump his salery, waaaayyyyyyy too expensive for a 6th/7th defenseman. Maybe trade him for a 3rd and 4th round pick since we don't have either in this years Draft. Gonna have to give him away pretty cheap to dump his salery and cut our losses,


Keep
all core players

Re-sign
Schneider -- (2012 RFA)
Salo -- (2012 UFA)
Paulsson -- (2012 UFA)
Lack -- (2012 RFA) *resign to 2-way contract
Reinprecht -- (2012 UFA) *resign to 2-way contract
Ebbett -- (2012 UFA) *resign to 2-way contract
Bitz -- (2012 UFA) *resign to 2-way contract
Volpatti -- (2012 UFA) *resign to 2-way contract
Weise -- (2012 RFA) *resign to 2-way contract
Pinizzotto -- (2012 UFA) *resign to 2-way contract
Gragnani -- (2012 RFA) *resign to 2-way contract
Duco -- (2012 RFA) *resign to 2-way contract

Trade
Luongo -- 10 years at 5.333 per left
Raymond -- (2012 RFA)
Ballard -- 3 years at 4.2 per left
Malhotra -- 1 year at 2.5 left
Alberts -- 1 year at 1.225 left
Rome -- (2012 RFA)
Parent (2012 RFA)
Oreskovich (2012 RFA)

Let walk away
Mark Mancari -- (2012 UFA)

Edited by VAN_FAN_MATT, 08 May 2012 - 02:07 PM.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:52 PM

I'd trade Burr and Luongo (or Schneider - much rather keep Schneider, but one of them needs to go - that's a lot of value just sitting there on the table, otherwise) and keep everyone else. I know, I know. Burr is good with the Swededs (most of the time), but as I see it, we are an all-star dman, a power forward who can make an impact today (Kassian will add to that in the next two to three years, but not likely next season), and a pure goal scorer away from being the well rounded team we need to be, and you have to give some to get some. Plus, I think he's a bit of a "rat".
Ideally, the power forward would also be that goal scorer, but as rare a commodity as one of those is, I'd be happy to fill those roles with two players. You can't really just address the defense only or first, either. Scoring has to improve on this team, period. I think you have to get these three player types in here immediately to have a real shot at taking the next step.
None of this takes cap into account, but that's one of those things a good GM could massage into place. Also, I have no understanding of the NHL salary rules/structure. It's never interested me enough for me to try to figure it out.


Did you know that we were the 5th highest scoring team this year? Is scoring really what we need to be more successful?? Last year we were #1 in goals for and we didn't win the cup. Did you know Philly is the only team left that had more goals than us this year? Infact, no other team left was in the top 10 in goals? Did you notice the team that beat us was LA, and they were the 29th highest scoring team. Personally I don't think scoring is the problem, although it was pretty dismall in the last month or so. I think everyone knows we can put 5 goals on the board as well as anyone in the league.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:53 PM

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LOL, CAP?

You'll find that certain teams disregard the cap like it didn't exist.  Those teams are generally successful.

We'll keep everyone here, sign everybody available, and win with entire league in our organization.  Cheers.


TOML


Who are these teams that don't abide by the cap rules?? I am very interested to know.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:59 PM

Look at the facts.... Vancouver, Chicago, Boston, Detroit, Pits, St Louis, Nashville, all out in the first two rounds and Philly is next....
thats the last 4 cup winners. It's as simple as this, your team has too get hot at the right time and goaltending and special teams are a huge factor
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:05 PM

Must keep regardless of there year next season burrows edler and lappy and higgins very importnt players to this organization
Burrows and edler have always been great and lappy is a hero to us and he will play just as anyone else depending on the line he is on if he plays fourth line he will not get more then 13 points if he plays third line he will do well and if he plays second or first line he will do amazing he is a great depth guy and so is higgi. Lapierre and higgins are so cheap for what they bring to this team, one thing lapierre can guarentee for us is that he will lead are team in checks, and i look forward to see him sign an extension hear.
The only bad news is that based on lappys resumer he never plays well during the regular season on contract year. BUT HE WILL ALWAYS GUARENTEE A GOOD PLAYOFF
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:45 PM

LOL :picard:
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:00 PM

Raymond needs to go. Keep Manny if he either 1) takes a paycut or 2) plays very well next season.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:10 PM

Do whatever you have to do sign Shea Weber.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:25 PM

When you make these decisions you have to look at our core, and how teams match up against us. It establishes our needs.

-Our defence has not been able to deal with pressure from attacking big/fast forward groups.
-The Twins with Burrows becomes a defensive liability & can also be shut down by big mobile defences. I don't believe we can win if they are a 1 dimensional line.

I think we almost need to consider moving Edler in a package. We are deepest on left D (Edler, Hamhuis, Ballard), even Connauton & Gragnani our next in line guys are left side. And we are desperate for a high calibre right side guy, size in general and a D man who can rush the puck against pressure when there are no passing lanes. Deal from strength, Edler, to fill weaknesses.

I am vastly more reluctant to trade Burrows. I thought he was our emotional captain. He was the guy who led by example with his level of compete, almost single handily brining life to several lines as he shifted around after the deadline. And he fits anywhere, kills penalties, digs out pucks, checks, can score and pass. But if a package scored Bobby Ryan,?

The problem is you cannot generally get a top guy without at least offering a good replacement in a lineup. Philly got Simmonds + top calibre prospects. Philly's model is probably more realistic than getting a Bobby Ryan. Having a Kassian (or Coutierre) pushing into top lines, while getting a match up body to replace who you give up. It manages caps and loads your team with prospects. So maybe we should be trading Burrows also?

With some luck, that will not be the case. The fill body leaving could be Ballard not Edler, Raymond or Higgins not Burrows to put a decent forward on another team to attract the guy we need. But you have to give up something, and clear cap space to get what you need.

edit; but no more trades that give up pieces that don't provide replacements real time. The key is big fast bodies to fill our lineup, coming with the Kassian type prospects. Thats what we need from the Luongo trade. And it will probably take at least one more trade beyond our goalie move.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:33 PM

I like Pahlsson but it should be Manny retaking the third shutdown centreman, it was his job in the first place. Mason needs another chance, I know its a business but he came off a significant injury this year and his skillset I believe is valuable. Why trade Kbek? he is the only guy that actually stands up and does something when things get out of hand, Otherwise the Hammer, Eddie and Salo just skate around and let the sedins get pushed, and the referees dont respect Rome or Alberts enough and just throw them in the box. Volpatti should stick around hes a BC kid, and Gragnani has the offensive skillset if Eddie gets hurt. The one person who should go is Ballard, that guy is definitley not worth his salary to the Canucks.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:01 PM

Keep:
Tanev
The Sedins
Burrows
Lapierre
Hansen
Kassian
Bieska
Edler
Hamhuis
Salo (If he wants to play another year)

Schneider


Trade/Move:
Kesler (when he finishes recovery)
Booth
Higgins
Ballard
Schroeder
Alberts
Gragnani
Raymond
Weise
Luongo

The above players should be able to provide good return, adding to the top 9 and to top 4 on Defense. Hopefully becoming a team that's faster, younger, more physical and able to match up against anyone in the league. You have to give up something to get something.

Bitz, Ebbett, Rome, Volpatti, Pinizzotto walks to free agency

Malhotra, as much as I like Manny, $2.5 million for a fourth line guy who wins faceoffs, is a bit too much. Buyout or put him in player development.
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