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#1 TACIC

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:50 PM

the canucks need to resolve the ballard situation.he is paid 4.5 mill to sit in the press box or be on the 3rd pair.gillis needs to do something.any ideas?
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:55 PM

the canucks need to resolve the ballard situation.he is paid 4.5 mill to sit in the press box or be on the 3rd pair.gillis needs to do something.any ideas?


No guarantee all our dmen come back and no reason to assume one or more won't be traded.

So unless someone offers to trade us an upgrade for Ballard (unlikely) then perhaps we should consider playing him.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:59 PM

No guarantee all our dmen come back and no reason to assume one or more won't be traded.

So unless someone offers to trade us an upgrade for Ballard (unlikely) then perhaps we should consider playing him

true but since vigneault does not trust him we have to do something and either give him ahot or ship him to a place were hell get a chance
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:07 PM

Trade him?
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:09 PM

true but since vigneault does not trust him we have to do something and either give him ahot or ship him to a place were hell get a chance


How many players do we have to trade before we don't have our designated minimum of roster players sitting in the pressbox in place of "gritty" scrubs because of our coach's love/hate relationship with players that happen to fit/unfit perfectly with his definition of what a player is supposed to be?

I SUPPOSE we could trade him for some fourth liners. It would at least make the coach happy.

Not sure how that became the team's number one priority.....
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:17 PM

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best dman in playoffs.id suggest keeping players who show heart and skill when it matters
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:24 PM

trade him.....in no way does it make sense for us to keep him

teams may become desperate for ballards services(i know thats pretty desperate) because if they see the same thing we do that all he needs is a fresh start and ice time, teams could be willing to take on that 4.2m cap hit....teams like col, det, fla, min, nsh, nyi, wpg, and tb could be possible destinations for ballard....or they might just need his cap hit to get over the salary floor
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:27 PM

In before the lock, hundreds of threads on this, We should be trading a left side D guy;

Edler, Hamhuis, Ballard, Gragnani, Connauton, Sauve = much greater than Bieksa, Salo (?), Tanev, ?, ?, ?

And we need a puck carrying D, some serious size upgrades & depth on the right side.

Whether that's Ballard, or because we cannot get value for him, Edler??? (before his contract value goes up and because he is not the Norris candidate some make him out to be).
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:29 PM

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to Buffalo- Keith Ballard and an apology letter to Christian Ehrhoff


to Vancouver- Christian Ehrhoff




well..we can dream anyways -_-
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:34 PM

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Keep him, he makes Tanev better and has been playing great, a solid pair looking towards next year.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:34 PM

He has another year here to earn Edler's spot, which I feel he will.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:36 PM

I sure hope Ballard can come around. But I can see him being traded.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:39 PM

the canucks need to resolve the ballard situation.he is paid 4.5 mill to sit in the press box or be on the 3rd pair.gillis needs to do something.any ideas?



4.2 million is more correct


still a little over the top IMO
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:46 PM

AV gave him a chance in this years playoffs and he did really well. And AV gave him more minutes including PP time. If we could trade his 'bigger than worth it' contract them Im all for it but if we are stuck with it Im not worried. I have enjoyed his hipchecks.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:16 PM

Edler For J. Staal. Pittsburgh needs D. As do we. Trading Edler makes space for a D-Man.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:18 PM

Put him on the #1 and #2 pairing. This man can't play to his potential on the third defensive unit.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:23 PM

play him allot!
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:54 PM

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to Buffalo- Keith Ballard and an apology letter to Christian Ehrhoff


to Vancouver- Christian Ehrhoff




well..we can dream anyways -_-


why would we send him an apology letter when he wanted 10million dollars the first year and he htought that buffalo had a chance to win the stanley cup - HE SHOULD BE WRITING US THE APOLOGY LETTER.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:00 PM

Well see who is available and look to trade him would be the best option. 4.2 million is simply way too much money tide up for a 3rd pairing d-man. Yes he played well in the playoffs but again you have to consider the circumstances.. 3rd paring minutes against the lesser of competition. He's been here 2 years now and ive seen nothing to suggest he is top 4 caliber, if he's hasn't shown it by now i don't see him ever reaching that status..at least here. I realize his value is next to nothing in a trade but the cap space alone is worth it.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:03 PM

Edler For J. Staal. Pittsburgh needs D. As do we. Trading Edler makes space for a D-Man.


As much as i love Staal, this really isn't what our team needs. Our top 2 lines already have solidified Centers. Trading for a third would only be a repeat of the Hodgson scenario.

And before everyone tells me that its the same situation that he has in pittsburgh: No, it isn't. Crosby and Malkin have both seen injuries that have limited their playing time and increased Staal's.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:33 PM

He played better than all of our TOP defenders in the playoffs. Better to keep him
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:49 PM

IF Lidstrom doesn't sign for another season with Det. And that's a big 'If' in my opinion. Then they are going to be looking for D-man that can quarterback a power-play and has good speed and poise with the puck.

Ballard could look like a cheap, and potentially very effective, option. Granted they do have Kyle Quincey and Brendan Smith on the NHL roster, both of whom have decent offensive potential, however neither look to be ready to replace the 34 points and +21 that Lidstrom produced last year while playing almost 24 minutes per game. They also have Logan Pyett in Grand Rapids but again he is years from that kind of NHL production - if he ever gets there. However all three of these internal options look to be shaky at best and Ken Holland is not one to risk rushing a player into the NHL.

Ballard has proven that with top minutes and the right partner he can produce upwards of 35 points. And he would come cheap, Gillis would be out of his mind to ask for anything more than a 3rd liner, 5th-6th dman, or 2nd pick (not together completely separate) and with Tatar ripping up the AHL already they will most likely be looking to make room for him in the top 6.

And who you ask would they ever give us that would help us win now while also hopefully freeing up salary cap room? How about Mr. Todd Bertuzzi?

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4.2 million cap hit through 2015 and we throw in a 5th rounder (probably a 80 point player in 4 yrs the way DET drafts)

Has about the same risk for both sides and no I am not saying Ballard is going to DET to be the next Lidstrom but he would bring a bit more offense from the back end than their current roster minus Liddy.

Bertuzzi would be a great fit back in Van IMO - a natural RW which would help us with that problem of always having someone on the right who is a natural LW, Booth and Higgins looked decent but it was obvious how much better they played when on the left side. Also Bertuzzi would bring a ton more offense and grit than someone like Raymond and would be a great leader in the room and on the ice. Not to mention the fact that Bertuzzi is a heart and soul player who is always the first to step up and defend his teammates.

BIG BERT for BALLARD + 5th rd.

MAKE IT HAPPEN MG!

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:53 PM

Is it me or does anyone else not notice Ballard when he plays . . ?
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:57 PM

IF Lidstrom doesn't sign for another season with Det. And that's a big 'If' in my opinion. Then they are going to be looking for D-man that can quarterback a power-play and has good speed and poise with the puck.

Ballard could look like a cheap, and potentially very effective, option. Granted they do have Kyle Quincey and Brendan Smith on the NHL roster, both of whom have decent offensive potential, however neither look to be ready to replace the 34 points and +21 that Lidstrom produced last year while playing almost 24 minutes per game. They also have Logan Pyett in Grand Rapids but again he is years from that kind of NHL production - if he ever gets there. However all three of these internal options look to be shaky at best and Ken Holland is not one to risk rushing a player into the NHL.

Ballard has proven that with top minutes and the right partner he can produce upwards of 35 points. And he would come cheap, Gillis would be out of his mind to ask for anything more than a 3rd liner, 5th-6th dman, or 2nd pick (not together completely separate) and with Tatar ripping up the AHL already they will most likely be looking to make room for him in the top 6.

And who you ask would they ever give us that would help us win now while also hopefully freeing up salary cap room? How about Mr. Todd Bertuzzi?

2.075 million cap hit through 2014
For
4.2 million cap hit through 2015 and we throw in a 5th rounder (probably a 80 point player in 4 yrs the way DET drafts)

Has about the same risk for both sides and no I am not saying Ballard is going to DET to be the next Lidstrom but he would bring a bit more offense from the back end than their current roster minus Liddy.

Bertuzzi would be a great fit back in Van IMO - a natural RW which would help us with that problem of always having someone on the right who is a natural LW, Booth and Higgins looked decent but it was obvious how much better they played when on the left side. Also Bertuzzi would bring a ton more offense and grit than someone like Raymond and would be a great leader in the room and on the ice. Not to mention the fact that Bertuzzi is a heart and soul player who is always the first to step up and defend his teammates.

BIG BERT for BALLARD + 5th rd.

MAKE IT HAPPEN MG!

cheers


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No. This team is moving on with Kassian. There's a reason why Todd won't be a Canuck again. The Vancouver Canucks dealt with the baggage of the Moore incident by letting Naslund, Morrison, Bertuzzi, Ohlund, Sopel, Malik, Cloutier, Auld, Allen, etc. leave the team. Nobody wants to live that nightmare again.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:00 PM

why would we send him an apology letter when he wanted 10million dollars the first year and he htought that buffalo had a chance to win the stanley cup - HE SHOULD BE WRITING US THE APOLOGY LETTER.


How selfish are you? He has no reason to apologize. Gillis offered him a laughable contract - Ehrhoff, at the time, deserved more than Bieksa. Ehrhoff didn't have to take a paycut, he didn't have close friends like Bieksa did.

It's called tactics, smart guy. In the strange world where this is feasible, you would send an apology letter as a persuasion factor. Let the guy know we really want him and we consider him an important piece on our team, which he was.

The guy was one of our most consistent D-men on the team and got almost the same amount of points as Bieksa in the playoffs though he played through half of it injured.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:00 PM

We could trade him to a team that needs to make the cap floor, but I'm content with keeping him also. He would just need some more ice time.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:01 PM

As much as i love Staal, this really isn't what our team needs. Our top 2 lines already have solidified Centers. Trading for a third would only be a repeat of the Hodgson scenario.

And before everyone tells me that its the same situation that he has in pittsburgh: No, it isn't. Crosby and Malkin have both seen injuries that have limited their playing time and increased Staal's.
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I agree. He wants to be a 1st or 2nd centerman. It's not gonna happen here. I think Kesler' when healthy and playing his game, is the more complete player. MG needs to stick with the defensive problems and fix them. Unfortunately, Ballards past couple seasons probably haven't made him a desired asset. I think the Ballard deal will be a scar on MG's resume for a long time. I just hope the Kassian deal isn't another one.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:03 PM

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:03 PM

Is it me or does anyone else not notice Ballard when he plays . . ?


That's not necessarily a bad thing.

I say keep him and play him on 2nd/3rd pairing and on the PP.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:13 PM

I think Ballard stays. Salo isn't getting younger but it also depends on what comes available on free agency or trades. For sure we're trading a goaltender so until then why do anything. The pecking order is coaching next and then trading Luongo (probably). Until that's sorted out nothing will happen.

If AV stays and he can manage to trust him fully and play him the minutes I think he's a top 4 guy. I'm not sure if he's 4.2 worthy but what are you going to find that's better? Easy to let guys go, harder to replace them, Ehrhoff is a good example.
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