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#121 VAN_FAN_MATT

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 02:39 AM

I honestly hope GMMG can find a way to dump his salery this offseason. Nothing against Ballard, but yeah like the OP said, he is making far too much money to be stuck on the 3rd pairing.

I say GMMG should just give him away to who ever wants him for what ever is offered for him. Maybe a 2012 3rd roun pick. I think a team like Columbus would go for a deal like that, they're a team that needs to add some more D-men.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 02:45 AM

Although its already been said, its simple. The Canucks should play him. He has more value being a Canuck then in any trade.


IMO the 4.5 million dollar cap space gained by trading Ballard would be more valuable. You can sign somebody after July 1st for a quarter of what Ballard gets paid, that can contribute as much as if not more than Ballard has on the 3rd pairing.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 05:15 AM

So your dilemma is which left side guy to trade.

Hamhuis has an NTC; so your choices are Edler the better player & Ballard still a good player. Edler's salary will be $5.5 mill 13 months from now, it might not be with the Canucks with us having no say in it & his trade value is much higher.

And it was Edler not Ballard who had a poor post season. Lou wont get us the big physical talented right side D AND a big physical talented right wing that we need. Odds are a left D, whichever one gets us a better return is who you might trade?

It's no secret we need a D man to eat up a lot of minutes playing an offensive role, and that player isn't Ballard. We need someone who can play the right side.


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Posted 13 May 2012 - 07:44 AM

IMO the 4.5 million dollar cap space gained by trading Ballard would be more valuable. You can sign somebody after July 1st for a quarter of what Ballard gets paid, that can contribute as much as if not more than Ballard has on the 3rd pairing.

Usually on July 1st teams overpay for UFA's so I think there may be a promotion from within. Hopefully the cap could be used to get Schultz. I ama huge MG fan but he really blew this trade. Hindsight, he should have kept the first and traded up to get Tinordi and resigned Mitchell. Then use Grabner in another trade or keep him instead of Raymond. Dam hindsight

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 10:41 AM

Why didn't we leave Ballard in florida


He was a required part of the package we offered. How else could we have gotten Oreskovich?
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Posted 13 May 2012 - 12:28 PM

I love Ballard, but 4.5 is too much. I think he'll stay and other salaries will be dumped. If AV can utilize him properly he's one hell of a defenceman


IMO the 4.5 million dollar cap space gained by trading Ballard would be more valuable. You can sign somebody after July 1st for a quarter of what Ballard gets paid, that can contribute as much as if not more than Ballard has on the 3rd pairing.


Is Ballard going to pay $300,000. to get traded? His cap hit is 4.2. Hammers is 4.5 + Bxa's is 4.6. How will trading Ballard free up 4.5? lol

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 12:31 PM

Trade for prospects and picks then sign Suter.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 06:03 PM

Ballard and Hamhuis were the only two D with a pulse this season.

Keith is way more talented than Bxa and arguably,Edler.

Keith fights,Keith hip checks,Keith is worth less than Eddie in a trade.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 08:52 PM

Usually on July 1st teams overpay for UFA's so I think there may be a promotion from within. Hopefully the cap could be used to get Schultz. I ama huge MG fan but he really blew this trade. Hindsight, he should have kept the first and traded up to get Tinordi and resigned Mitchell. Then use Grabner in another trade or keep him instead of Raymond. Dam hindsight


You make it sound so simple - Mitchell was out for a while with a concussion - it's hard to put faith in a guy that was out for a certain period of time.

+ Gillis didn't blow the trade if the Coach isn't willing to play the player...

we don't know if this trade has been crap or good - because we haven't seen ballard with any minutes yet.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 09:04 PM

Trade him to the Oilers for a 2013 1st rounder. Oilers need help on D and they have a lot of room under the cap.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 09:08 PM

It's called: "rental player". How long have you followed hockey?

If you trade for a pending ufa's signing rights after the season it gives you a short window to sign the player and if they don't the player walks July 1st and you got absolutely nothing out of the trade Trading for a rental player he actually plays for your team for the balance of the season and the playoffs. You actually get something that helps now whether you to intend to re-sign him after that season or not.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 09:10 PM

IMO we should wait till the deadline and reevaluate ....unless of course we can package him out for a legit number one d man we desperatly need , in that case get the **** out . I really believe we are getting a big name d man soon Gillis has tried everything but.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 09:12 PM

He was a required part of the package we offered. How else could we have gotten Oreskovich?

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 09:27 PM

Ballard and Hamhuis were the only two D with a pulse this season.

Keith is way more talented than Bxa and arguably,Edler.

Keith fights,Keith hip checks,Keith is worth less than Eddie in a trade.


When I first read that. I was like man....this guy really loves Duncan Keith :bigblush:

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 09:27 PM

What did Oreo do for us


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Posted 13 May 2012 - 09:50 PM

You make it sound so simple - Mitchell was out for a while with a concussion - it's hard to put faith in a guy that was out for a certain period of time.

+ Gillis didn't blow the trade if the Coach isn't willing to play the player...

we don't know if this trade has been crap or good - because we haven't seen ballard with any minutes yet.

I don't understand the notion that Ballard's poor play is because of AV. AV had no problem putting Tanev in a lot of situations. He's also developed Edler and Bieksa. Ballard was/is a liability on defense. He makes terrible reads and has problems positionally. Ballard has a lot speed and skill but he struggles with the mental side of the game.

LA had no problem signing Willie to a contract. He held out all summer in hopes of a Canucks contract. Worst case scenario was his concussions continued and he retired or was placed on IR.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 10:03 PM

All these posts about Ballard not getting enough playing time.  Gimme a break - he's had two years.  He especially had ample opportunity this year.  I saw a little improvement but he hasn't earned top 4 minutes - too many turnovers.  It's all about value and Ballard is not good value for 4.2 mill a year.  

He just hasn't lived up to his pre-Canucks record.  I actually thought it was a good trade until I saw him play his first season with us.  I do believe that his hip injury played a part but he just didn't make big strides this past season.  

If he was making 1.5 mill for a 5/6 D-man then I'd want to keep him and hope he could improve.  Rome and Tanev outplayed him this season - and Salo was miles ahead of him.  As it is, Ballard has very little trade value due to his high cap hit and mediocre play.  Even if we wanted to trade him, I doubt we'd have any takers.  We may have to waive him (send him down to the minors) to clear up some cap space for a major trade.

Edited by sockeye, 13 May 2012 - 10:08 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 10:42 PM

All these posts about Ballard not getting enough playing time. Gimme a break - he's had two years. He especially had ample opportunity this year. I saw a little improvement but he hasn't earned top 4 minutes - too many turnovers. It's all about value and Ballard is not good value for 4.2 mill a year.

He just hasn't lived up to his pre-Canucks record. I actually thought it was a good trade until I saw him play his first season with us. I do believe that his hip injury played a part but he just didn't make big strides this past season.

If he was making 1.5 mill for a 5/6 D-man then I'd want to keep him and hope he could improve. Rome and Tanev outplayed him this season - and Salo was miles ahead of him. As it is, Ballard has very little trade value due to his high cap hit and mediocre play. Even if we wanted to trade him, I doubt we'd have any takers. We may have to waive him (send him down to the minors) to clear up some cap space for a major trade.


When I read that... :bigblush: ...oh dear lord.... :picard: the only person Rome outplayed was himself

Edited by Sanj, 13 May 2012 - 10:43 PM.


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Posted 13 May 2012 - 11:04 PM

He has another year here to earn Edler's spot, which I feel he will.

Aah, yes. He's shown sooo many signs of putting up 50 points with this team.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:31 AM

Aah, yes. He's shown sooo many signs of putting up 50 points with this team.

elder would do so much better with a legit #1 he and Taney are the only 2 guys on d I would 100% keep don't get me wrong I love the other guys but I have high high hopes for elder and tanev

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 02:45 AM

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Highly unlikely considering your lack of knowledge.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 08:26 AM

<p>Highly unlikely considering your lack of knowledge.

Your lack of knowledge is scaring me.i see you as the Canucks gm in my nightmares and you are trading our good players for scraps
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:59 AM

While it would be great to have salaries for all players that truly reflect their performance, sadly it isn't going to happen.

Unlikely we will see Ballard going anywhere. Bad news: he has a lot of work to do to live up to his $4.2 million cap hit.

The good news: he was actually playing pretty well at the end of the season and post-season so maybe there is hope for him yet.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:01 AM

well the thing i dont understand is that we only let erhoff go for a 4th rounder.odd considering gaustad was worth a 1st. :picard:

We trading negotiating rights, not the player. Ehrhoff was going to be a UFA meaning he could have signed with any team and we would have got nothing.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:24 AM

I'll take guys that get up for playoffs ANY day over guys that have good regular seasons but end up being retards post season.

That goes for the coach as well.

How much longer do we need to wait for Edler to bring it 100% come playoff time?

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:51 AM

Your lack of knowledge is scaring me.i see you as the Canucks gm in my nightmares and you are trading our good players for scraps


Fear is often born from ignorance. I didn't trade anybody. I merely explained the difference between trading for a pending UFA's negotiating rights and trading for a UFA as a rental player. A difference that appeared to be outside your knowledge. Your welcome.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:55 AM

Not only is the cap hit a concern but I think that spot Ballard takes is pretty important for the development of the prospects.

Canucks need Ballard to be Edler's partner. #4 D-man. But Tanev is probably more suited. Just needs time. It's already the case at ES. - link

Bieksa - 19:19
Hamhuis - 18:38
Edler - 18:09
Tavev - 15:44
Salo - 15:22
Ballard - 14:22
Rome - 14:00
Alberts - 13:35
Gragnani - 13:04

Training camp proves squat and October is going to suck anyways, I say open the spots up for the rookies. Move Ballard and Alberts.

Start with:

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Tanev
Sauve Salo
Gragnani/Connauton

Then sign or trade accordingly.

Edited by Canada Hockey Place, 14 May 2012 - 12:02 PM.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:00 PM

Not only is the cap hit a concern but I think that spot Ballard takes is pretty important for the development of the prospects.

Canucks need Ballard to be Edler's partner. #4 D-man. But Tanev is probably more suited. Just needs time. It's already the case at ES.

Player Team Pos GP ES TOI ES TOI/G SH TOI SH TOI/G PP TOI PP TOI/G TOI TOI/G Shifts TOI/S Sft/G 1 Kevin Bieksa [url=""%20rel="]VAN[/url] D 78 1,506:52 19:19 202:12 2:35 134:51 1:43 1,843:55 23:38 2,197 50.0 28.2 2 Dan Hamhuis [url=""%20rel="]VAN[/url] D 82 1,528:02 18:38 240:18 2:55 152:51 1:51 1,921:11 23:25 2,360 49.0 28.8 3 Alexander Edler [url=""%20rel="]VAN[/url] D 82 1,488:50 18:09 185:36 2:15 282:28 3:26 1,956:54 23:51 2,371 50.0 28.9 4 Christopher Tanev [url=""%20rel="]VAN[/url] D 25 393:20 15:44 22:13 0:53 2:33 0:06 418:06 16:43 561 45.0 22.4 5 Sami Salo [url=""%20rel="]VAN[/url] D 69 1,060:24 15:22 160:27 2:19 190:03 2:45 1,410:54 20:26 1,917 44.0 27.8 6 Keith Ballard [url=""%20rel="]VAN[/url] D 47 675:47 14:22 45:54 0:58 9:25 0:12 731:06 15:33 1,007 44.0 21.4 7 Aaron Rome [url=""%20rel="]VAN[/url] D 43 602:04 14:00 29:42 0:41 22:58 0:32 654:44 15:13 875 45.0 20.3 8 Marc-Andre Gragnani BUF, VAN D 58 788:47 13:35 8:26 0:08 139:06 2:23 936:19 16:08 1,217 46.0 21.0 9 Andrew Alberts [url=""%20rel="]VAN[/url] D 44 575:21 13:04 50:54 1:09 2:48 0:03 629:03 14:17 868 43.0 19.7
Training camp proves squat and October is going to suck anyways, I say open the spots up for the rookies. Move Ballard and Alberts.

Start with:

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Tanev
Sauve Salo
Gragnani/Connauton

Then sign or trade accordingly.

not a good idea to throw a young kid with edler at this moment, very risky elder coming off a disappointing year Taney being so early in his career . I would like that idea if elder was playing amazing but he is not.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:09 PM

not a good idea to throw a young kid with edler at this moment, very risky elder coming off a disappointing year Taney being so early in his career . I would like that idea if elder was playing amazing but he is not.


If Salo is around you won't have to worry. In key situations:

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Salo
Sauve Tanev


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 04:10 PM

elder would do so much better with a legit #1 he and Taney are the only 2 guys on d I would 100% keep don't get me wrong I love the other guys but I have high high hopes for elder and tanev

I haven't heard of this Elder dude but I really hope Edler can have another strong offensive year.
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