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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:12 PM

1990 Dodge Shadow, failed Aircare, took her on a trip from Van-Hope and back then went to the aircare facility. It passed the driving test, failed the idle.


Hydrocarbons (HC) ppm: Max: 110 , Mine: 234

Carbon Monoxide (CO%): Max: 0.84% , Mine: 2.83%



Any tips?

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:19 PM

Buy a new car?

Bribe?

Threaten with violence?

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:27 PM

1990 Dodge Shadow


Any tips?


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It is a 1990 Dodge Shadow after all.


But seriously, a tune up will probably help, if you haven't had one lately.
Your idle speed might be a bit slow, which will cause higher HC results.

Some easy fixes would be to replace your fuel filter yourself, and remove your PCV Valve, spray some WD-40 into it, shake it, then drain it and replace it. It's a quick fix but should improve your results.

Also, going for a long drive right before your test helps, your catalytic converter only works when it's hot. (It sounds like you did that though).

You can also add a litre of Methyl Hydrate to your fuel, with a full tank of gas. That will definitely help your results, it burns very clean.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:57 PM

Methyl Hydrate should do the trick.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:08 PM

Aircare is such a scam, we're not California so we don't need California style emissions laws.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:19 PM

Methyl Hydrate should do the trick.


As in this??

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/3/HouseHome/PaintStains/PaintThinnersStrippers/PRDOVR~0497127P/Methyl+Hydrate.jsp?locale=en

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:31 PM

As in this??

http://www.canadiant...e.jsp?locale=en


Yep.

Run your tank to almost empty, add the bottle, and then fill to around half a tank.

Found this from one website:

Methyl Hydrate is made of alcohol, and burns %100, with no smoke. It also burns extremely hot, which also helps burn any unburnt gas leaving the exhaust valves (lower Co), but can also burn out metal rings and seals, making it extremely bad for you engine. But, a .25 tank of 94 octane gas (~10L worth) and 1 Ltr of methyl hyrate, and you'll be burning VERY clean, but after you pass FILL UP with regulary gas to dilute the alcohol!!


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:43 PM

Aircare is such a scam, we're not California so we don't need California style emissions laws.


Because the air quality of your children and younger people don't matter. Please die.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:47 PM

Because the air quality of your children and younger people don't matter. Please die.


Because you don't like what the person said you want them to die?

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:49 PM

Because you don't like what the person said you want them to die?


It was an hyperbole. It also means over-exaggeration.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:52 PM

It was an hyperbole. It also means over-exaggeration.


So was mine? :P

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:01 PM

how many k's on your dinosaur?
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:13 PM

how many k's on your dinosaur?


Over-exaggeration ?

You might want to change the exhaust pipe if none of these suggestions help lower the emissions to acceptable standards.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 09:29 PM

Methyl Hydrate should do the trick.


My buddy did this and passed easily.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:04 PM

$10 dollars worth of 94 octane is worth more than the car itself.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:14 PM

$10 dollars worth of 94 octane is worth more than the car itself.


This is a myth. A higher octane gas will not burn 'cleaner' - octane is simply a rating of the gasoline's resistance to detonation. Run the LOWEST octane fuel that you can without detonation to achieve optimal power and a more efficient burn. Methyl Hydrate will help as well, since it is essentially alcohol and burns much hotter than gasoline. Ensure that the engine has received a full tune up including oil change, and it's not running on old, stale gasoline.

As for AirScam, a few others have already suggested some tips, but another proven thing that makes a big difference is knocking the timing back to the point that the engine will barely run. I can do it in ~30 seconds outside of the Aircare facility, and have it back to normal after the test is done. I also make sure that I'm sitting at least a few cars back in line, and I rev the engine up to about 2500 rpm in neutral, which ensures that the cat stays hot for the test. It's always helped my readings.

You can do other simple things like disconnect the PCV, remove the air filter, find the skinniest wheels/tires that you can, and pump the tires up past their max PSI rating (less resistance on the rollers). I've heard of some people even drilling 'aircare holes' into the exhaust, but if the Aircare sniffers don't get enough of a reading they won't let you test.

Edited by Mr. S, 08 May 2012 - 10:17 PM.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:15 PM

Travel to Toronto, Hong Kong, or other big cities and enjoy the lovely smog and haze, and enjoy the summer days where you are advised to stay indoors if you have lung problems.

The only scam is people driving around in piece of crap vehicles that have no business being on the road in the first place. BC used to have inspections every two years where you had to take your car in, they'd check to see if your tailpipe was intact, looked for unsafe body damage, made sure your lights and turn signals worked and that your wipers worked. It took all of 10-15 minutes, and it helped get the unsafe piles of junk off the road. Now I see vehicles with no kidding, duct tape, body panels removed, tons of rust, and fender and other body damage, and the police can only do so much to get these things off the roads.

I do understand there are places in BC that public transportation is a joke. I'd like to see that corrected. But seeing a 1987 Civic burning oil with cracked windshields, half the lights not working and looks like if you tap it with a mallet the whole thing will fall apart because it has so much rust is not safe either.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:17 PM

This is a myth. A higher octane gas will not burn 'cleaner' - octane is simply a rating of the gasoline's resistance to detonation. Run the LOWEST octane fuel that you can without detonation to achieve optimal power a more efficient burn. Methyl Hydrate will help as well, since it is essentially alcohol and burns much hotter than gasoline. Ensure that the engine has received a full tune up including oil change, and it's not running on old, stale gasoline.

As for AirScam, a few others have already suggested some tips, but another proven thing that makes a big difference is knocking the timing back to the point that the engine will barely run. I can do it in ~30 seconds outside of the Aircare facility, and have it back to normal after the test is done. I also make sure that I'm sitting at least a few cars back in line, and I rev the engine up to about 2500 rpm in neutral, which ensures that the cat stays hot for the test. It's always helped my readings.

You can do other simple things like disconnect the PCV, remove the air filter, find the skinniest wheels/tires that you can, and pump the tires up past their max PSI rating (less resistance on the rollers). I've heard of some people even drilling 'aircare holes' into the exhaust, but if the Aircare sniffers don't get enough of a reading they won't let you test.


$10 dollars of 94 octane is worth the same as $10 dollars of 89 octane. A 1990 Dodge Shadow is still not worth $10 dollars.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:22 PM

$10 dollars of 94 octane is worth the same as $10 dollars of 89 octane. A 1990 Dodge Shadow is still not worth $10 dollars.


Agreed :)

Travel to Toronto, Hong Kong, or other big cities and enjoy the lovely smog and haze, and enjoy the summer days where you are advised to stay indoors if you have lung problems.

The only scam is people driving around in piece of crap vehicles that have no business being on the road in the first place. BC used to have inspections every two years where you had to take your car in, they'd check to see if your tailpipe was intact, looked for unsafe body damage, made sure your lights and turn signals worked and that your wipers worked. It took all of 10-15 minutes, and it helped get the unsafe piles of junk off the road. Now I see vehicles with no kidding, duct tape, body panels removed, tons of rust, and fender and other body damage, and the police can only do so much to get these things off the roads.

I do understand there are places in BC that public transportation is a joke. I'd like to see that corrected. But seeing a 1987 Civic burning oil with cracked windshields, half the lights not working and looks like if you tap it with a mallet the whole thing will fall apart because it has so much rust is not safe either.


I think aircare is doing a good job of taking polluters off the road, but safety issues are a whole different ball game. You want to talk about unsafe? I'm not worried about the POS 1987 civic that's tailgating me, but I sure as hell am worried about the under-maintained dump truck that is doing 110kph down the highway with worn tires and faulty brakes. Big rigs and Dump Trucks are mainly what we should be worried about. I see so many of these POS' on my commute from Surrey to Langley, and let me tell you, it is truly scary.

Edited by Mr. S, 08 May 2012 - 10:23 PM.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:46 PM

Because the air quality of your children and younger people don't matter. Please die.


That funny moment when someone thinks cars cause Global warming.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:52 AM

That funny moment when someone thinks cars cause Global warming.


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:04 AM

That funny moment when someone thinks cars cause Global warming.


That funny moment when I never even mentioned global warming. Don't draw dumb conclusions without backing up your claim. I'm talking about the air quality or "safe air" that many places like China and India do not have and that many Vancouverites take for granted. Won't last long with people like you around.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:33 AM

That funny moment when I never even mentioned global warming. Don't draw dumb conclusions without backing up your claim. I'm talking about the air quality or "safe air" that many places like China and India do not have and that many Vancouverites take for granted. Won't last long with people like you around.


Fine:

That funny moment when someone thinks cars effect the environment or our air quality. Its all the same stuff.

We're fine here in Vancouver.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 06:18 AM

Fine:

That funny moment when someone thinks cars effect the environment or our air quality. Its all the same stuff.

We're fine here in Vancouver.


I disagree - Vancouver has smog and it's bad compared to many other places in Canada.
It was bad back in 1990 and it's worse now.
When you fly into Vancouver from the East - as you come over the mountains - you can see it.

Does air care help? I doubt it. Maybe affects 0.01 % - but the smog is still there.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 06:27 AM

I had an 04 lexus that failed aircare a few years back. I just sold it out of province or your vehicle can go missing...
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:14 AM

Over-exaggeration ?

You might want to change the exhaust pipe if none of these suggestions help lower the emissions to acceptable standards.


Why so he can look badass while failing aircare again? I think you meant changing his catalytic converter not the actual tail pipe

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:37 AM

Fine:

That funny moment when someone thinks cars effect the environment or our air quality. Its all the same stuff.

We're fine here in Vancouver.

WOW

Yes all that exhaust and fumes just magically disappear and do nothing to air quality.

Not to mention most cars run off of gas, how is gas produced? OIL!!!! Yipee, whew good thing obtaining and refining oil does nothing bad to the environment.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:51 AM

Why so he can look badass while failing aircare again? I think you meant changing his catalytic converter not the actual tail pipe


Changing the exhaust worked with one of our old work vans years ago (don't have it now). The tail pipe will only cost a hundred if you go to indians/chinese LOL.

Lots of solutions though, go step by step (cheapest to expensivest , if it fails ICBC claim?).
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:04 PM

Aircare makes minimal difference to Lower Mainland air quality and is basically just a tax with auto shop charity attatched, the real air polluters in the area are large ships, locomotives and heavy trucks.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:18 PM

Aircare makes minimal difference to Lower Mainland air quality and is basically just a tax with auto shop charity attatched, the real air polluters in the area are large ships, locomotives and heavy trucks.


Not according to the figures for 2005 in the Canadian Lower Fraser Valley.

Aircare checks for the vehicle emission of Nitrogen Oxides (NOx), Carbon Monoxide (CO), and Hydrocarbons (HC), and for all three category light vehicles are a major (if not the largest) source.

CO:
Light Vehicle: 53%
Heavy: 0.93%
Air: 1.7%
Rail: 0.13%
Marine: 0.24%

NOx:

Light Vehicle: 21%
Heavy: 7.7%
Air: 1.7%
Rail: 5.6%
Marine: 12%

HC/Volatile Organic Compounds (VOC)

Light Vehicle: 21%
Heavy: 0.49%
Air: 1.3%
Rail: 0.27%
Marine: 12%

So your second assertion is incorrect.

As for your first assertion, consider the absolute emission (in tonnes) for light vehicles:
CO: ~197,000
NOx: ~13,000
HC: ~15,000

Here is a estimation to the average reduction per year over the 1992-2004 due to AirCare:

CO: ~45,000 (25% of emission)
NOx: ~1,200 (10%)
HC: ~4,300 (25%)

Hardly 'a minimal difference'.




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