JLumme Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 What's your point? That I have learned from my past? How about yourself? Here's a story for you. It's winter and a teachers sees 4 boys arguing with each other and he wants to keep the peace. He approaches them and suggests that all 4 of them line up on the field and run to 1 of the goal poast. Let us see who can get there the fastest - but in a straight line. The snow is fresh so it will be easy to see their footsteps. Go! 1st boy thinks if he looks down at his feet he will be able to tell if he's in a straight line. 2nd boy keeps looking to the left and right to see where the other boys are. 3rd boy keeps looking behind him to see if his fline is straight. 4th boy - this boy wins - how? He looked straight ahead to the goal post and never took his eyes off of it. As you go through life, you won't get far if you keep looking down at your feet - sooner or later you will hit something. Don't keep comparing yourself to others - you won't get far at all. Don't live in the past - how can you move forward when looking behind all the time. Keep yourself focused on the goal. Look at driving - if looking behind or sideways was so important - then why are those mirrors smaller than the front windshield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted May 9, 2012 Author Share Posted May 9, 2012 Hmm, been a while since there has been a comment on the actual topic at hand. For the record, each school and school division handles things differently. If there is a city/town where the majority of parents would like the Lord's Prayer or a short Bible reading before the day, then that's up to the parents. If not, that is alright as well. If 1/4 of parents want the Lord's prayer before the day at school, they don't get it because 3/4 of the parents believe otherwise. Same in this situation. Certainly seperating the children into different classes is a little much. The better option would be to either have those students either show up for class 5 minutes later, or have the other students show up 5 minutes earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 For the record, Canada has a certain Charter. This document ensures our rights are respected whether we are a majority or a minority. If there is a city/town where the majority of parents would like to remove gay students from the school, is that okay? What if they said "we can have gay students, but they can't openly be gay"? To simply dumb down the argument to "majority rules" would destroy the foundations of Canadian society. I know this is radical and pretty out there, but why can't kids pray on their own time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 75% of parents at this school think 25% of the parents should have their rights and their children's rights dismissed. Lovely. As Larry Flint once said: "Majority rule will only work if you're considering individual rights. You can't have five wolves and one sheep vote on what they want to have for supper." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted May 9, 2012 Author Share Posted May 9, 2012 Not quite sure what you are getting at. Yes, Canada does have a charter that ensures our rights are respected, majority or otherwise. What is going on in St. Albert isn't regarding disrespecting peoples rights. The only thing I find wrong is how it being carried out, seperating the children into different classrooms, which I find absolutely ludicrous. Children can pray on their own time, which they do. And if the parents of said children wish there to be a place at school as well, then they have the right to see if that goes through. However, as I said, the way this has been carried out in St. Albert is sad.Not going to comment on the "What if" statement of yours though. What if my mom had wheels? Then she'd be a bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I feel somewhat qualified to comment on this situation. I grew up in the bible-belt of Chilliwack. Even though I was raised Christian and continue to practice my faith regularly, I never once participated in reciting the Lord's Prayer when I was in Elementary School (the reasons I posted on the last page). So every morning, I would sit silently while pretty much every other student in the class would do their little tradition in front of me. It was strange to be put in an awkward situation by that, just so other children could recite verbatim a few words spoken by a man most of them knew little about, and even fewer wished to imitate. Why couldn't they say a prayer at home instead, as my family did? Why did they have to make this meaningless show? Who were they trying to please? Organized prayers at school are not only unchristian, they make no sense at any level. If 75% of parents want their children to be more spiritual, they should do something about it at home. If they desperately want something to be available at the school, lobby for (and donate towards) a designated prayer room or something, where kids can go voluntarily, privately, and on their own time (before school, recess, lunch, or after school). Don't interrupt other childrens' time for education for your showy display of false piety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted May 9, 2012 Author Share Posted May 9, 2012 I feel somewhat qualified to comment on this situation. I grew up in the bible-belt of Chilliwack. Even though I was raised Christian and continue to practice my faith regularly, I never once participated in reciting the Lord's Prayer when I was in Elementary School (the reasons I posted on the last page). So every morning, I would sit silently while pretty much every other student in the class would do their little tradition in front of me. It was strange to be put in an awkward situation by that, just so other children could recite verbatim a few words spoken by a man most of them knew little about, and even fewer wished to imitate. Why couldn't they say a prayer at home instead, as my family did? Why did they have to make this meaningless show? Who were they trying to please? Organized prayers at school are not only unchristian, they make no sense at any level. If 75% of parents want their children to be more spiritual, they should do something about it at home. If they desperately want something to be available at the school, lobby for (and donate towards) a designated prayer room or something, where kids can go voluntarily, privately, and on their own time (before school, recess, lunch, or after school). Don't interrupt other childrens' time for education for your showy display of false piety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I feel the need to defend Heretic. He and I completely disagree in our own belief system (or my lack of one), but have had meaningful civil conversation on the matter. I can definitely understand the perception of hate from some of the comments that people have made in this thread. I find that, in comparison to many or most religious people, Heretic is in the upper half of the willing to converse about the symantics of his own beliefs. I am also someone who is willing to have that conversation, and when roles are reversed, and a religious person comes off aggressive and cocky about their beliefs, then I know there will be no substance to the conversation. It basically guarantees that continuing to reply will result in an argument, and that gets no one any where. If any of you have enough intelligence and morality to have a proper conversation, then do it, cause Heretic does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 i wonder if anyone has asked the kids how they feel about this , and more importantly i wonder if people think there opinion is worth listening to .and right on widen so many people are so blinded by what they believe that they do not hear what other people are trying to say , this is not an attack on anyone particular person here but an observation of how many people in the world behave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted May 10, 2012 Author Share Posted May 10, 2012 I feel the need to defend Heretic. He and I completely disagree in our own belief system (or my lack of one), but have had meaningful civil conversation on the matter. I can definitely understand the perception of hate from some of the comments that people have made in this thread. I find that, in comparison to many or most religious people, Heretic is in the upper half of the willing to converse about the symantics of his own beliefs. I am also someone who is willing to have that conversation, and when roles are reversed, and a religious person comes off aggressive and cocky about their beliefs, then I know there will be no substance to the conversation. It basically guarantees that continuing to reply will result in an argument, and that gets no one any where. If any of you have enough intelligence and morality to have a proper conversation, then do it, cause Heretic does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Wow, a thread about religion with the same 3 people arguing back and forth. How much headway are we making this time around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted May 10, 2012 Author Share Posted May 10, 2012 It's always the same people too. It's like they get a notification every time the word "religion" is used in a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Well, I've also seen him take a lot more abuse on the issue than he's dealt out. I doubt most of the time he's replying to much more than the half cocked, I've seen Zeitgeist, responses that I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted May 10, 2012 Author Share Posted May 10, 2012 Well, I've also seen him take a lot more abuse on the issue than he's dealt out. I doubt most of the time he's replying to much more than the half cocked, I've seen Zeitgeist, responses that I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Yeah, no prayer in schools as mandatory, give people their freedom to express themselves individually at their own time, but not making mandatory others to do so, especially those not even Christian or religious.. that's asinine, and a waste of time as students go to school to learn not to be inundated with religious proselytising, something easily done at home. I'm not even religious and I agree with D-Money's response on the 2nd page here most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Have a plus for making me laugh this hard. Guess whose words those are. If I had a nickle for every time I watched Heretic lose it on someone, only to later apologize, pretend to be a good little Christian who learned his lesson and do it again at a later time, I'd have at least a quarter by now. Point is, I have entirely too much free time on my hands, and it's way too nice out to be doing this. FML. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Sure man. I won't bother refuting your presumptions anymore. If you think silver skinned Eskimos as evidence against evolution is an argument an intelligent person puts forward, I concede every argument I've ever been in on this forum. I'm the knuckle dragger who should be put on Ignore on this forum. I'm simply too stupid to post on the same forum as you. Captain Stoopid awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donky Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I don't understand the need for reciting the Lord's Prayer in the classroom. Go to your church to do it or do it at home. If some of the kids want to organize it themselves before class that is their business. But for the School District to lead the Prayer is wrong. It is not the governments place to promote a particular religious viewpoint. If I were sending my child to one of these schools I would be as outraged as the father in the article. What next? the kids are going to recite passages from the Koran, rub a buddha belly, light a menorah just so no one gets left out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted May 10, 2012 Author Share Posted May 10, 2012 I feel the need to defend Heretic. He and I completely disagree in our own belief system (or my lack of one), but have had meaningful civil conversation on the matter. I can definitely understand the perception of hate from some of the comments that people have made in this thread. I find that, in comparison to many or most religious people, Heretic is in the upper half of the willing to converse about the symantics of his own beliefs. I am also someone who is willing to have that conversation, and when roles are reversed, and a religious person comes off aggressive and cocky about their beliefs, then I know there will be no substance to the conversation. It basically guarantees that continuing to reply will result in an argument, and that gets no one any where. If any of you have enough intelligence and morality to have a proper conversation, then do it, cause Heretic does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I feel sad that not many people seem to respect each other on these forums , so many threads end up in personal attacks and recrimination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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