keslerian one Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 MARK MY WORDS! MARK THEM!! Consider that Shea Weber has various ties to this city besides growing up 500 kms away. Dan Hamhuis is a personal friend of Weber's and has been for eight years. In Nashville. Roberto Luongo is a friend from the Olympics. Two years. He knows that with his leadership he can anchor Vancouver's blueline. Shea Weber to Vancouver Alexander Edler, Sammi Pahlsson, and Mason Raymond to Nashville The other players will immediately reap the reward. Here's the amazing line-up post trade. We also pick up Cam Fowler from free agency. Dan Hamhuis - Shea Weber That's a top pairing! Keith Ballard - Kevin Bieksa A combination of speed and tenacity. Cam Fowler - Sami Salo/Chris Tanev/MAG We trade to find a balanced and explosive defence that will have the luxury of an elite goalie behind them. Both are Luongo and Schneider could flourish behind this defense. Management owes the goaltenders this much. The Canucks could also offer up David Booth and Andrew Alberts in a trade for Jordan Stall, effectively moving Ryan Kesler to his natural position. I may be crazy, I may have an issue with my font control, but one thing I know is that my trade scenario will pay off big time. And it's realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiznac Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 MARK MY WORDS! MARK THEM!! Consider that Shea Weber has various ties to this city besides growing up 500 kms away. Dan Hamhuis is a personal friend of Weber's and has been for eight years. In Nashville. Roberto Luongo is a friend from the Olympics. Two years. He knows that with his leadership he can anchor Vancouver's blueline. Shea Weber to Vancouver Alexander Edler, Sammi Pahlsson, and Mason Raymond to Nashville The other players will immediately reap the reward. Here's the amazing line-up post trade. We also pick up Cam Fowler from free agency. Dan Hamhuis - Shea Weber That's a top pairing! Keith Ballard - Kevin Bieksa A combination of speed and tenacity. Cam Fowler - Sami Salo/Chris Tanev/MAG We trade to find a balanced and explosive defence that will have the luxury of an elite goalie behind them. Both are Luongo and Schneider could flourish behind this defense. Management owes the goaltenders this much. The Canucks could also offer up David Booth and Andrew Alberts in a trade for Jordan Stall, effectively moving Ryan Kesler to his natural position. I may be crazy, I may have an issue with my font control, but one thing I know is that my trade scenario will pay off big time. And it's realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 question: how much value does edler have in a weber trade? i ask because is it high enough that we wouldnt haft to give them 5-6 pieces like most teams or what? to nsh: edler, booth, ballard, 1st pick 2013, 1st pick 2014 to van: weber (RFA rights) pros: - acquire the best defenseman this franchise has seen in its history - dump ballards contract....i have a feeling nsh will be interested in him because this will be after july 1st and they will need money to get over the cap and solid defence men to replace suters and webers minutes - press the re-set button on finding keslers help on the second line, he is a better fit in nsh because they have players like erat and legwand who complement him better and he will replace ak-47 in the top 9 - create cap space cons: - lose a solid top 4 blueliner who hasnt hit his potential of top pairing defenseman sign him to a 8yrs/60m...7.5m per year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Since the days of Scott Neidermayer. BC has produced many great and up-and-coming defensmen. Of those that come to mind are Neidermayer, Keith, Weber, Hamhuis, Franson, and Shultz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaacm Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I said this a while ago regarding Weber and still think it would work. Why not sign the guy to an offer sheet? By doing this, you guarantee one of two things. Either Nashville matches the offer and keeps Weber for one more year or they let him go and take the draft picks (most likely scenario). By matching the offer sheet, Nashville ties there hands completely because they can't trade him til next year, at which time Weber would become a UFA. Therefore, I think it's very reasonable that Nashville let's Weber go and cashes in on the draft picks rather than losing Weber for nothing next summer. As far as salary goes, I think Weber would buy into the Canucks organization considering his ties to the club. Because of this, he may sign for a little less (in the 6.5 - 7 million range) and the Canucks give up 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd round pick. I know that`s a lot to give up for one player, but we`re talking about acquiring the top defenseman in the NHL without hurting the core of the Canucks lineup. Yes they would have to dump Ballard and let Raymond go via free agency, but that`s a pretty small price to pay for the following lineup. FORWARDS Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m) David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Ray Whitney ($3.000m) Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m) Aaron Volpatti ($0.613m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m) Byron Bitz ($0.700m) DEFENSEMEN Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Shea Weber ($7.000m) Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) Sami Salo ($2.000m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m) Marc-Andre Gragnani ($0.605m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) / GOALTENDERS Cory Schneider ($3.500m) Eddie Lack ($0.900m) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,862,500; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $437,500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageForever420 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 The Canucks have done their due diligence, to be sure, and the message this week is a fairly simple one — stay the course. Of course, that was also the message in both Edmonton and Calgary after their runs to Stanley Cup final. Didn’t work out so well there. In sports, many times, some change can do a team a world of good. It’s sure been effective for the L.A. Kings, who are in the Western Conference final after undergoing a year-long roster overhaul that really didn’t end until the trade deadline. And now, after having made it look easy knocking off the West’s No. 1 and 2 seeds, Darryl Sutter and his Kings are nicely positioned — maybe even favoured — to win it all. If they do, it will be the ninth time in 21 years a coach in his first year with a team won the Cup. Worth noting here is that only two coaches in NHL history have been with a team for six years and then won a championship. The Canucks will try to add to that rather minuscule list. The Canucks, now that ownership has been pacified, don’t believe this is the time to be making changes. So that coaching staff, pending Alain Vigneault’s extension, is getting ready to accept their mulligan and do it all again. To be fair, the Canucks are already committed to some change this offseason, at least if they can settle on a landing spot for their former No. 1 netminder. Toronto has to top the early line as betting favourite to trade for Roberto Luongo. They have both need and assets. It’s also a place Luongo is willing to go. But you can’t be sure how much Luongo’s official list really matters anyway. It’s hard to believe there are many situations less inviting than the one in Vancouver, where, if he were to come back, his playing time may be reduced to something like 30-35 games behind Cory Schneider. Don’t be surprised if Luongo’s real list is a lot longer than five teams. Other avenues for Canucks change will begin to be explored during the next six weeks, leading up the NHL Entry Draft. Hardcore fans already have their drool buckets ready, counting down the days to June 1, when super prospect Justin Schultz will be a free agent (if, as expected, he hasn’t signed with Anaheim by then). Likely the best defenceman not playing in the NHL, he wouldn’t be able to sign with a team until July 1 but can negotiate before that. Being from Kelowna, the Canucks may have one of the inside tracks, but there won’t be a team in the NHL unwilling to pursue him. However, none of the options will induce more drooling and dreaming throughout the Lower Mainland than any opportunity this team may have to trade for Shea Weber. If the discussion about whether Mattias Ohlund should be in the Ring of Honour underscored anything, it’s just how deprived the Canucks have been of great defencemen. It’s hard to believe, after 40 years, the question of “who is the Canucks’ best blueliner of all time?” is boiled down to Jyrki Lumme vs. Ohlund. You think this town is desperate for a true No. 1? Weber is that type of player, the one the Canucks have forever lacked and coveted. But is it even possible? Well, it just became at least plausible with the Predators disastrous second-round flame out. Ryan Suter is set to leave, and many people believe he will. Those around his situation claim he has a list of teams he wants to play for and Nashville isn’t on it. If he does go, it backs the Predators into a corner. They haven’t been able to sign Weber to a long-term deal, and if that continues it’s either sign him for one year as a restricted free agent or trade him and try to retool on the fly. That last option instantly means a treasure trove of assets will be coming back to Nashville in return. But would the Canucks have enough gold to barter with and win the auction? There’s always Ryan Kesler, but he’s damaged goods, again, right now. Kevin Bieksa is locked up with a no-trade clause. Jannik Hansen is an intriguing option, and maybe the Canucks’ most intriguing. But he’s an add-on. They do have Alex Edler, and the Predators would be hard pressed to find a better defenceman in a deal. His budget salary, $3.25 million, just oozes Nashville. But Edler is only signed for one more year and then he becomes an unrestricted free agent. Not much chance the Predators trade Weber for a player who could be gone in a year. Nashville would have to get some kind of commitment from him before any deal. That won’t be easy. But we’re wildly speculating about a dream offseason where the Canucks trade Luongo for assets and acquire both Weber and Shultz. Of course it won’t be easy. jbotchford@theprovince.com Read more: http://www.theprovin...l#ixzz1uRaf6nuO I dont see Weber coming here this year, but no doubt when he becomes a free agent gillis will go after him. Schultz this year would be amazing. And since when did BC become a defenseman factory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I would do it in a heartbeat. Without someone to hold his hand like Weber Edler is never going to develop. Kesler is almost useless since AV will let him come back too early and he'll be hurt for the playoffs again (if we make it), so yeah I'd throw in the first for a # 1 Norris candidate defenceman, which is what this needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotesMagotes Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I really don't get why people want to sell the farm for this guy???? Why fork out a ton of picks prospects and roster players for him if he will be ufa in a year? It's going to leave major gaps in the lineup that have to be filled via free angency with either over paying for guys who had a good playoff series or gambling on cheap underachievers. If you think weber will resign here when his contract is up, then why not just wait a season so you don't have to fork out your 2 best prospects, a first round pick, kesler and tanev just to have him this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realnucksfan2010 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Getting Weber would be awesome, however what we would have to give up to get him might not be so awesome, I think he may be to expensive for us since we are so close to the cap. I hope MG stars using some of our gifted prospects instead of going after useless FA's (not saying Weber is useless) i am saying guys like Alberts are and rinprecht whom has not played for us yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyAL Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I'm not so sure about Weber anymore, I been a huge fan over the years and some may flame me for saying this but I am slowly starting to think he is a bit over-rated. After watching him a little closer the last couple seasons in the playoffs he doesn't seem like a 7-8mil player. Not saying I wouldn't love to see him playing for the Canucks, just not at that huge price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpoet Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 MARK MY WORDS! MARK THEM!! Consider that Shea Weber has various ties to this city besides growing up 500 kms away. Dan Hamhuis is a personal friend of Weber's and has been for eight years. In Nashville. Roberto Luongo is a friend from the Olympics. Two years. He knows that with his leadership he can anchor Vancouver's blueline. Shea Weber to Vancouver Alexander Edler, Sammi Pahlsson, and Mason Raymond to Nashville The other players will immediately reap the reward. Here's the amazing line-up post trade. We also pick up Cam Fowler from free agency. Dan Hamhuis - Shea Weber That's a top pairing! Keith Ballard - Kevin Bieksa A combination of speed and tenacity. Cam Fowler - Sami Salo/Chris Tanev/MAG We trade to find a balanced and explosive defence that will have the luxury of an elite goalie behind them. Both are Luongo and Schneider could flourish behind this defense. Management owes the goaltenders this much. The Canucks could also offer up David Booth and Andrew Alberts in a trade for Jordan Stall, effectively moving Ryan Kesler to his natural position. I may be crazy, I may have an issue with my font control, but one thing I know is that my trade scenario will pay off big time. And it's realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjickwillkillyou Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I am surely not drinking the Weber Kool Aid unless we can fix some cap issues, but it does make sense. Last night I was watching highlights of Doughty and then it hit me. "In the past 5 years, every SC winning team has had a BONAFIDE #1 Dman." Think about it: 2011 - Chara (Booooooooooooo!!!) 2010 - Keith (Double Booooooooooooo!!!) 2009 - Letang 2008 - Lidstrom 2007 - Pronger or Niedermayer What are we lacking? I think it is quite obvious. I love Edler, but he will most likely only ever be a 1A and all these guys above are the real deal. A Weber or Suter would give us just that. Hopefully GMMG realizes that and makes it happen. It is not our forwards as much as our D corps that need that stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Swansons Moustache Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 The cost of acquiring Weber would be too much the best plan is to try and sign Suter this year and then Weber next :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks_dynasty Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Really hope Weber's plan is to come to Vancouver as a UFA like Hamhuis did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Because the free agent frenzy for this guy is going to be borderline insanity. I bet teams will be offering him crosby/ovechkin money. Now no matter how much you wanna play with your buddy in your hometown, its hard to turn down that kinda money. If the canucks can sign him before FA, that would be a huge benefit as MG could work his magic and sign him long term for less than market value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Gillis won't sell the farm for a guy that is ufa in a year and his hometown is 500 miles away. If he wants to be a Canuck he will sign in 2013. If he doesn't sign in 2013 were all going to be saying thank god we didn't trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyacry Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I am surely not drinking the Weber Kool Aid unless we can fix some cap issues, but it does make sense. Last night I was watching highlights of Doughty and then it hit me. "In the past 5 years, every SC winning team has had a BONAFIDE #1 Dman." Think about it: 2011 - Chara (Booooooooooooo!!!) 2010 - Keith (Double Booooooooooooo!!!) 2009 - Letang 2008 - Lidstrom 2007 - Pronger or Niedermayer What are we lacking? I think it is quite obvious. I love Edler, but he will most likely only ever be a 1A and all these guys above are the real deal. A Weber or Suter would give us just that. Hopefully GMMG realizes that and makes it happen. It is not our forwards as much as our D corps that need that stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I am surely not drinking the Weber Kool Aid unless we can fix some cap issues, but it does make sense. Last night I was watching highlights of Doughty and then it hit me. "In the past 5 years, every SC winning team has had a BONAFIDE #1 Dman." Think about it: 2011 - Chara (Booooooooooooo!!!) 2010 - Keith (Double Booooooooooooo!!!) 2009 - Letang 2008 - Lidstrom 2007 - Pronger or Niedermayer What are we lacking? I think it is quite obvious. I love Edler, but he will most likely only ever be a 1A and all these guys above are the real deal. A Weber or Suter would give us just that. Hopefully GMMG realizes that and makes it happen. It is not our forwards as much as our D corps that need that stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjickwillkillyou Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 All those teams except anahiem still have those guys and how are their playoff runs going? How is doughty's run going?? Unreal! Why is that? Because they have a complete team with all 4 lines and all 3 defense pairings playing the best they ever played. Just like every team you mentioned. That is why the cup is so hard to win. Because every member of your team has to play the best they have ever played. It doesn't matter who you add if everyone doesn't step up. Trading for weber is going to leave holes in the lineup that will make that near impossible to happen in one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I think you are missing your own point. You asked how their playoff runs are going now? Well, considering they all won the same prize everybody here wants I would consider them successful. I am pretty sure none of them are complaining about winning the SC now even if they are golfing. Sure beats the hell out of what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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