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#1 Buggernut

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 12:33 PM

Survey: Americans Overwhelmingly Support Defense Cuts

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May 10, 2012

A U.S. Navy variant of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the F-35C, conducts a test flight over the Chesapeake Bay in 2011.
As Congress struggles to rein in the federal deficit, a new survey finds Americans preferred to cut defense spending more than any other program.
In a new survey that not only asked for opinion, but also briefed the respondents on the federal budget, Americans came to a bipartisan conclusion: 67 percent of Republicans and 90 percent of Democrats supported cutting the defense budget.
And by quite a bit.
Here's how the Center for Public Integrity (CPI), one of the three non-profits who conducted the survey, boils it down:


"The average total cut was around $103 billion, a substantial portion of the current $562 billion base defense budget, while the majority supported cutting it at least $83 billion. These amounts both exceed a threatened cut of $55 billion at the end of this year under so-called 'sequestration' legislation passed in 2011, which Pentagon officials and lawmakers alike have claimed would be devastating.
'When Americans look at the amount of defense spending compared to spending on other programs, they see defense as the one that should take a substantial hit to reduce the deficit,' said Steven Kull, director of the Program for Public Consultation (PPC), and the lead developer of the survey. 'Clearly the polarization that you are seeing on the floor of the Congress is not reflective of the American people.'

In fact, just this morning the House of Representatives advanced a bill that would sidestep the "sequestration", cutting social programs and dodging cuts for defense. Just to bring you up to speed: The "sequester" came into play after a "supercommittee," established by the big budget agreement reached in the summer of 2011, failed to find $1.2 trillion in cuts over the next 10 years. Because that failed, the agreement stipulated that the cuts would be made evenly across the board.
Respondents to the survey were also presented with arguments for and against certain cuts and what it found is that Americans have nuanced opinions about defense. They agree that the United States has a unique responsibility as an "exceptional nation," but they also agreed that it was acting too often as a "military policeman" to the world.
"Most Americans are able to hold two competing ideas in their mind and, unlike Congress, thoughtfully recognize the merits of both," Kull said, according to CPI. "And then [they] still come to hard and even bold decisions."
Here are three more key findings as parsed by CPI:
  • "Around three-quarters of Americans think spending should be cut for air power, ground forces, and naval forces."
  • "Nuclear arms were given the biggest proportional hit, while ground forces took the biggest dollar hit; special forces had the most support."
  • "More than eighty percent of Americans are convinced 'there is a lot of waste in the national defense budget.'"
The survey was conducted by three non-profit groups: The Center for Public integrity, the Program for Public Consultation and the Stimson Center. You can find the full report here. The sample size was 665 and the margin of error is 4.8 percent.


Now if only the general American public had as much clout as the Military-Industrial Complex.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 12:38 PM

But then the terrorists win......
Orland Kurtenbach and Dennis Kearns had just been torched 8-1 by the Habs, but they still took time to come out to meet us, some fellow BC boys who were playing hockey in Montreal. THAT"S what being a Canuck is!

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 12:45 PM

But then the terrorists win......


Too late, the "terrorists" already won...

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 12:46 PM

But then the terrorists win......


And what about the drugs!

Won't someone think about the children.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 12:51 PM

Anyone here not support it?

Buddy I called this EXACT situtation on here two years ago and was flamed, so I guess I have a bit of hockey knowledge, not to mention the 4 years I played in the OHL idiot.


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 12:58 PM

The U.S. defense budget shouldn't be any more than the $300 billion a year it was in the '90s. Actually even that's high, I don't think they could sustainably more than $180 billion without eventually hurting themselves elsewhere.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 01:01 PM

They can cut a lot of offense without cutting any REAL defense.


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 01:21 PM

They can cut a lot of offense without cutting any REAL defense.

Defense that begins at ones territorial boundaries hasn't been a practical concept for a long time.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 02:23 PM

Defense that begins at ones territorial boundaries hasn't been a practical concept for a long time.


It's the only morally defensible kind. You can't just punch somebody on the possibility that they may attack you later.

Wait till they Pearl Harbor you, and then Hiroshima them.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:30 PM

Defense that begins at ones territorial boundaries hasn't been a practical concept for a long time.


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:45 PM

They need to cut spending somewhere and that's their biggest ticket item.

No brainer really.

As much as the states are screwed it would be easy to fix without the bickering. Let the bush tax cuts expire, accept the Republican spending cuts (and perhaps include these to the military), and end the war on drugs.

Voila! Balanced budgets!

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:51 PM

They need to cut spending somewhere and that's their biggest ticket item.

No brainer really.

As much as the states are screwed it would be easy to fix without the bickering. Let the bush tax cuts expire, accept the Republican spending cuts (and perhaps include these to the military), and end the war on drugs.

Voila! Balanced budgets!


But what about the profits of the defense contractors and various other corporate cronies of the government?

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:59 PM

They can cut a lot of offense without cutting any REAL defense.


But the best defense is a good offense!

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 04:04 PM

I already know where this thread leads.

* places tinfoil hat on head*

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 04:58 PM

But what about the profits of the defense contractors and various other corporate cronies of the government?


It's a false economy anyways. Well, sort of. They will still be exporting weapons world wide.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:08 PM

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 07:05 PM

But then the terrorists win......


They will not.



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Posted 10 May 2012 - 07:55 PM

It's a false economy anyways. Well, sort of. They will still be exporting weapons world wide.


Yeap. Then crap starts to escalate... and you know how it goes.

Setting hard deadlines on defense projects and cutting back on foreign deployments/conflicts would be the 2 major things I'd look at. $500B/yr is just absurd and insulting to the tax payer.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 07:58 PM

They can cut a lot of offense without cutting any REAL defense.


This.




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