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#31 ice orca

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:57 AM

worst trades in canucks history:

1) cam neely
2) keith ballard the 4 million dollar plus bench warmer for grabner and emerson etem draft pick (top youngest player out of nhl)
3) hodgson for kassian


You cherry pick Neely which was the worst by far and then go back only the Gillis years for the rest of your so called bad trades. You cant evaluate Hodgson-Kassian for at least 3 years. Guys like you amaze me you throw Kassian under the buss after a handfull of games. What happens if Hodgson turs into a bust in Buffalo i would love to hear the exuses.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 05:14 AM

Stojanov for Naslund.
We had a stud in Stojanov.


Haha, this.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:22 AM

Does anyone remember what we got in return for sending Bill Derlago and Rick Vaive to the Leafs.
Vaive put up some decent numbers in Toronto.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:47 AM

Did someone say Neely already?
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:52 AM

Probably Linden. He was the Canucks and we traded him? However, in hindsight the trade doesn't look too bad. He brought us guys who were the core for us for a few years, and of course he came back home where he belongs.

Can't really think of any/many other bad trades for us in recent years. I mean we have had pretty decent trades or traded useless players for other useless players. Nothing to serious...and lets hope that streak continues.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:31 AM

I remember we had a thread like this last year. If you insert Grabners name everywhere you see Hodgson it's pretty much the same thread. Funny not a mention of Grabner this time round until now.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:33 AM

The Neely trade is considered one of the most lopsided in NHL history..let alone Canuck history.......Just goes to show what happens when you're not patient with young players.


The Canucks were well aware of what they had in Neely. The guy had previously scored 21 goals for this team. Neely was playing behind Smyl and Tanti, and was therefore somewhat expendable.

He was traded to upgrade another position. Pederson was a risk due to a previous shoulder condition, however he did well when he first got here (24g 52a in his first season). What made the deal bad is that Pederson got injured in succeeding seasons with the Canucks.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:43 AM

Pavel wanted out. He basically said trade me or I won't play. What other choice did Burke have? I remember it was Jovo,Dave Gagner,Mike Brown,Goalie of the future Kevin Weekes, and a first round pick( Nathan Smith).
Yes I will agree RJ was all about Money that Burke wasn't willing to spend.


Yeah well Pav had good reason to want outta the organization. He was treated poorly from the get go.He had to pony up $50,000 of his own money to play in Van.Not to mention he had asked to be traded 2 yrs b4 he even said he won't play,that was his last option as Burke&Company kept lying to him for 2 yrs. And regardless of all that he just kept scoring for this team.He could have just quit trying for the Nucks but he chose not to.Whatta a classy guy.He will always be my fav canuck.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:44 AM

Does anyone remember what we got in return for sending Bill Derlago and Rick Vaive to the Leafs.
Vaive put up some decent numbers in Toronto.


Yup, Vaive scored 50+ goals three times for the Leafs in 7+ seasons there. The Leafs never made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

The Canucks got Tiger Williams in the deal and went to the Stanley Cup finals in '82. He brought a change in attitude and increased team toughness..Sadly, the team couldn't build on that success.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:50 AM

I remember we had a thread like this last year. If you insert Grabners name everywhere you see Hodgson it's pretty much the same thread. Funny not a mention of Grabner this time round until now.


Hey, don't knock Grabner. His points are down this season because he was working on improving other aspects of his game, and he increased his numbers in certain areas from what he had last year, like games played (up 2 to 78) and penalty minutes (up 2 to 12)...

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PS - and I forgot to mention, his contract numbers improved by a large margin. :)

Edited by Gollumpus, 12 May 2012 - 08:51 AM.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:14 AM

I find it laughable people are putting Hodgson-Kassian trade in here already. That shows just a lack of knowledge.

Kassian>Hodgson

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:15 AM

The Canucks were well aware of what they had in Neely. The guy had previously scored 21 goals for this team. Neely was playing behind Smyl and Tanti, and was therefore somewhat expendable.

He was traded to upgrade another position. Pederson was a risk due to a previous shoulder condition, however he did well when he first got here (24g 52a in his first season). What made the deal bad is that Pederson got injured in succeeding seasons with the Canucks.

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But you can't factor just those two players. We lost a first round draft pick (and a high one at that!) in the trade. We basically got raped. We could have drafted Joe Sakic with that pick. And I'm pretty sure we'd have won the Cup possibly twice if that happened.
(Letting Larionov walk was another dumb move. I understand that Quinn didn't want to pay a player and the Russian Hockey Federation money, but here was a skilled centre who worked well with Bure, and got along well with him.)

Courtnall Sakic Linden/ Neely, Larionov, Bure = Cup
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:16 AM

Probably Linden. He was the Canucks and we traded him? However, in hindsight the trade doesn't look too bad. He brought us guys who were the core for us for a few years, and of course he came back home where he belongs.

Can't really think of any/many other bad trades for us in recent years. I mean we have had pretty decent trades or traded useless players for other useless players. Nothing to serious...and lets hope that streak continues.


What??? How are people saying the Linden trade? All of these attachments are ridiculous. That's one of the best trades in franchise history. How are fans so freaking stupid? It's unbelievable.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:49 AM

But you can't factor just those two players. We lost a first round draft pick (and a high one at that!) in the trade. We basically got raped. We could have drafted Joe Sakic with that pick. And I'm pretty sure we'd have won the Cup possibly twice if that happened.
(Letting Larionov walk was another dumb move. I understand that Quinn didn't want to pay a player and the Russian Hockey Federation money, but here was a skilled centre who worked well with Bure, and got along well with him.)

Courtnall Sakic Linden/ Neely, Larionov, Bure = Cup


True enough, the pick is one of those 20/20 hindsight things which makes the deal really bad. I suspect I never would have handed it over :).

When a team does trade a 1st I suspect that their thinking is not, "Damn, that's going to be a top-5 pick" but rather, "So what, with the guy we're getting, at best that pick will be in the low 20's". I suspect that Toronto did not even for a moment think that Boston would get a lottery pick let alone the number two from last year.


I recall the Larionov situation was a bit different than what you have described. Sovietsport, as part of the agreement to let Larionov and others leave to play in the NHL, were receiving a portion of Larionov's salary. After his 3 year deal with the Canucks ended, Larionov chose to play in Switzerland, which broke the hold Sovietsport had on his services.

Quinn was willing to pay Sovietsport, directly, an amount over and above what the team was paying Larionov to keep him around. It was a matter of principle on the part of Larionov, (against Sovietsport) to leave Vancouver.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:51 AM

Hey, don't knock Grabner. His points are down this season because he was working on improving other aspects of his game, and he increased his numbers in certain areas from what he had last year, like games played (up 2 to 78) and penalty minutes (up 2 to 12)...

regards,
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PS - and I forgot to mention, his contract numbers improved by a large margin. :)

My comment wasn't meant to knock Grabner in the slightest it was meant to knock stupid people.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:53 AM

What??? How are people saying the Linden trade? All of these attachments are ridiculous. That's one of the best trades in franchise history.How are fans so freaking stupid? It's unbelievable.


Just because you don't agree with an opinion,does not mean you have to call the fans STUPID.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:57 AM

My comment wasn't meant to knock Grabner in the slightest it was meant to knock stupid people.


Oh. Well that's alright then.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:06 AM

Cam Neely.


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:46 AM

Adrian Aucoin and a 2nd round pick for Dan Cloutier. Dan Cloutier chocked for us for many years. Adrian Aucoin is still in it, and still playing as of right now!

Players Nikolaj Ehlers have been compared too by the fan base of the Vancouver Canucks.

 

1 Pavel Bure

2 Markus Naslund

3 Nathan Mackkinon

4 Jonathan Drouin.

5 Jonathan Tavares

 

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combine results.  Ehlers 5'11 162 lbs of solid rock.  


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:49 AM

Hey, don't knock Grabner. His points are down this season because he was working on improving other aspects of his game, and he increased his numbers in certain areas from what he had last year, like games played (up 2 to 78) and penalty minutes (up 2 to 12)...

regards,
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PS - and I forgot to mention, his contract numbers improved by a large margin. :)


I'm not sure how this means he improved his game? When there is an increase in penalty minutes from a player like Grabner, this is not good. It means that instead of fighting other players, he is taking more penalties,which cost the team.Thus, how is this beneficial?

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:57 AM

Hmmm... here are some that people haven't mentioned yet:

1. Traded Pavel Bure + others to the Florida Panthers for Ed Jovanovski + others
2. Adrian Aucoin and a 2nd round pick to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Dan Cloutier.
3. R.J. Umberger and Martin Grenier to the New York Rangers for Martin Rucinsky.


None of these were bad trades. They were circumstantial. Cloutier takes too much heat. He was a decent goalie. And yes, I know he let in a goal from centre. A lot of good goalies let in terrible goals. Check this out

http://watch.tsn.ca/...red/#clip675874

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:15 AM

I'm not sure how this means he improved his game? When there is an increase in penalty minutes from a player like Grabner, this is not good. It means that instead of fighting other players, he is taking more penalties,which cost the team.Thus, how is this beneficial?


Why that's what's known as irony, chum. :)

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:20 AM

Grabber actually got 1stline minutes on long island
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:29 AM

Neely for sure but how about bringing back a finished Linden for a good first round pick.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:57 AM

Cam Neely. The rest aren't even close.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:14 PM

worst trades in canucks history:

1) cam neely
2) keith ballard the 4 million dollar plus bench warmer for grabner and emerson etem draft pick (top youngest player out of nhl)
3) hodgson for kassian


I agree completely. Emerson Etem seems good, but let's not underestimate how good Kuznetsov could be, who was drafted at 26 by Washington. He seems as good as Nail Yakupov who is projected to go #1 overall at this year's draft. If he was playing in North America he would have been top 5 for sure. A steal at 26 anyways. But Gillis failed to take advantage.

Hodgson trade could work out slightly better, depending on how Kassian turns out. And to do it when your #2 centre is labouring after significant hip surgery? Not very smart to say the least.I don't have a heck of a lot of confidence in Gillis at this point.

If I were the owner I would not have offered Gillis an extension based on those two trades alone that could significantly cripple the franchise going forward.

Personally I am worried about the state of the franchise with Gillis in charge. Highly overrated.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 01:42 PM

Bertuzzi, Mccabe + a pick (Jaarko Ruutu)

But the fact of the matter is that we did that because of Messier. Hence the hate


Don't know how anybody could call that a terrible trade. Bertuzzi became one of the best power forwards in the league and McCabe became a Sedin. Bertuzzi would then become Luongo. That Linden trade turned this team around from bottom feeder to contender.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 02:06 PM

Anyone that says Hodgson for Kassian is a moron. Maybe you can say it 5 years from now but to say it right now is so ridiculous I don't know where to even start

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 02:56 PM

not the worst but this was bad and just going to throw it out there grabner- ballard not saying ballard is a complete bust, just saying they picked the wrong guy to send to fla. it should have been raymond going not grabs.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:28 PM

not the worst but this was bad and just going to throw it out there grabner- ballard not saying ballard is a complete bust, just saying they picked the wrong guy to send to fla. it should have been raymond going not grabs.


Frankly, if it meant that we wouldn't have to deal with 2 years of 20/20 hindsight GM's complaining about that trade then yeah, I wish the Canucks would have kept Grabner.

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