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#1 Guest_Dasein_*

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:30 AM

Yes, I laugh at stupid proposals all the time, so I thought I might spin the wheels a little and create one of my own this time! The craziest idea popped in my head as I was thinking of our goaltending situation. It is absolutely insane, and it will never happen, but I drooled thinking about it.

When anyone makes a VAN - PIT proposal, you can bet that crazy bastard is thinking of getting Crosby or Malkin in return. I am doing the same thing.

To VAN:

Sidney Crosby
Marc-Andre Fleury

To PIT:

Ryan Kesler
Alex Edler
Cory Schneider
1st round pick

Pittsburgh (in a drunken blunder) decides to run with Malkin all the way because they think they can't afford all three (Malkin, Crosby, Staal). They deem Malkin to be the #1 offensive center, and Staal to be capable of being a shutdown 2nd line center. Crosby's concussion history is also on their mind when the do this. In return, Ryan Kesler would be asked to play shutdown 3rd line center or the 2nd line, depending on who produces more between him and Staal.

Then, also in their drunken blunder, Pittsburgh decides that Fleury's mental breakdown against PHI is the beginning of a horrible things to come, and decide that Cory Schneider is the next Marty Brodeur.

Then Alex Edler is put on their top pairing with Letang as a bonus - because so far this trade wasn't even close to being beneficial and you can't justify a Crosby+Fleury for Kesler+Schneider to your fanbase when you're the one trading away Crosby. Add a 1st round pick to make it look less absurd, and just pull the trigger and bite the bullet.

We then trade either Fleury or Luongo to get a top pairing defenseman.

One can dream, can't he?

Obviously we win this PIT-VAN trade by a mile IMO. Pittsburgh will never ever ever ever ever in their even most comatose moment do this (I don't think even Milbury would be stupid enough to say yes to this trade), but I think it's beneficial for both teams:

Pittsburgh has Malkin as the clear #1, Jordan as #2, Kesler as #3, Edler on the top pairing with Letang, and Schneider in between the pipes.

Vancouver has Crosby, Sedin, Lapierre and Malhotra. Get a #1 defenseman, and have Luongo or Fleury between the pipes.

Who would win that matchup if they met in the Finals?

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:54 AM

And then, in a drunken blunder, MG declines the offer. :frantic:

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:21 AM

While it would NEVER happen, this proposal actually has some merit to it.

The Canucks gain the best player in hockey - albeit with huge ??? over his recovery from injury - and an excellent (on his day) goalie.

The Pens lose the media circus over Crosby, the worry over his health, and the Crosby/Malkin conundrum. but they gain a second Selke finalist (a winner at that), a top-pair D, a big upgrade in net, and a first, which is always good to have.

Despite the hole on the blue line, I'd actually do this trade - and I think if I was the Pens GM I'd do it too.

But it won't happen. Ever. Sid is a Pen for life.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 04:43 AM

But who's our first line now. Sedins or Crosby? I guess same dilemma as Malkin/Crosby

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 06:19 AM

But who's our first line now. Sedins or Crosby? I guess same dilemma as Malkin/Crosby

Booth-Crosby-Kassian top line, which would allow Sedin-Sedin-Burrows to get easy matchups, and allow Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen to stay together (Lappy replacing Pahlsson on L3).

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:02 AM

While it would NEVER happen, this proposal actually has some merit to it.

The Canucks gain the best player in hockey - albeit with huge ??? over his recovery from injury - and an excellent (on his day) goalie.

The Pens lose the media circus over Crosby, the worry over his health, and the Crosby/Malkin conundrum. but they gain a second Selke finalist (a winner at that), a top-pair D, a big upgrade in net, and a first, which is always good to have.

Despite the hole on the blue line, I'd actually do this trade - and I think if I was the Pens GM I'd do it too.

But it won't happen. Ever. Sid is a Pen for life.

That is a lie.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:35 AM

Well one can dream and ...


I'm pretty sure Milbury IS stupid enough to do this one. :)

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:39 AM

Okay, pal. At this rate, you may as well swap one entire team for the other. The biggest trade in history - I'll take your team, you take mine.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:45 AM

And then, in a drunken blunder, MG declines the offer. :frantic:


:lol: :lol:

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:45 AM

Haha, I must say, very creative on your part. Though theres probably no way PIT gives up Crosby, still very interesting. Imagine our PP:

Sedin-Sedin-Crosby

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:46 AM

Booth-Crosby-Kassian top line, which would allow Sedin-Sedin-Burrows to get easy matchups, and allow Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen to stay together (Lappy replacing Pahlsson on L3).


That'd be sick! Crosby can easily make those guys effective like he does with everyone, and Sedins would rape harder with easier matchups indeed.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:07 AM

Crosby is the youngest player in the deal :)


But we dont need Fleury and we need Schneider to acquire Stamkos.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:55 AM

That is a lie.

'Tis not. I'd lose Sid, but also thd concern over his health. The media would then focus on my team rather than one man. I'd lose an inconsistent goalie.

In return I get a Selke winner with huge potential (a winger for Malkin maybe), a top pair D to go with Letang (or, more likely, on the second pair with a stay-at-home D), a brilliant young goalie, and a first round pick.

If I'm Pittsburgh, I accept, because the concern over Sid is quite rightly immense.

But it would never happen, so we're cool.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 09:06 AM

Your right it is crazy.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 09:56 AM

This should be re-named the stupidest trade idea you ever had... :picard:
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:00 AM

Crazy is.









Crazy does.

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:33 AM

This should be re-named the stupidest trade idea you ever had... :picard:

It's actually a brilliant 'idea'. We get the best player in hockey. Pittsburgh improves it's goaltending, defense, prospect pool and two-way hockey smarts. As ideas go, it's a darn good one.

However your 'contribution' could easily be labelled as the 'stupidest thread comment' ever :picard:

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 10:39 AM

:picard: even with his concussion symptoms this guy can put up more than a point a game and still better than most of the NHL players. you're crazy if you think they'd ever trade him while he's still young

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:01 PM

It's insane because you just don't trade a guy like Crosby. Ever.

Here's the thing though: Fleury, Neal and Martin taking up $5.0mil each ($15.0mil in total) and Michalek takes up $4.0mil. That's $19.0mil of cap space taken up by those 4 players.

Crosby and Malkin get paid $8.7mil each. That's $17.4mil of cap space spent on two players. On top of that, their 3rd line center Staal gets paid $4.0mil.

Next year, both Crosby and Staal turn UFAs. The year after, it's Malkin and Letang. That's their big 4 ALL due for a significant raise on top of what they already make.

Letang is a must-sign simply because there is no one that can replace what he does - his cap hit will likely be around $6.0mil. I think that means Pittsburgh has to let one of their three star centers go - one of Crosby, Malkin and Staal.

Malkin's proven that he is the best player in the game today - maybe even better than Crosby. With his size, he certainly is capable of doing things that Crosby cannot. On top of that, he does not have the concussion history that Crosby has. Overall, if he improves his defensive game and his faceoffs, I believe Malkin could easily be better than Crosby.

Staal is a Selke nomineee and has shown offensive prowess this season when put in the situation. He is unique of the three centers in that he is defensive first then provides offense.

Though I think they will keep both Malkin and Crosby and trade away Staal, I think the best move would be to trade either Malkin or Crosby away and have Staal as the 2nd line center. If they keep Malkin and Staal, Crosby needs to play shut down minutes rather than try to score.

If they are set on Crosby, then they need to trade Malkin IMO and keep Staal. But, because they are the two superstars, it will never happen, and Staal will be traded instead.


And then, in a drunken blunder, MG declines the offer. :frantic:


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:34 PM

I will do you one better, since we're doing crazy.

to PITTS:
Edler
Luongo
Kesler
1st 2012
Schroeder
Tanev

to VAN:
Crosby
Letang

Booth - Crosby - Kassian
Sedins - Burrows
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen
Volpatti - Manny - Bitz

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Ballard - Letang
Salo - __________

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:16 PM

It's insane because you just don't trade a guy like Crosby. Ever.

Here's the thing though: Fleury, Neal and Martin taking up $5.0mil each ($15.0mil in total) and Michalek takes up $4.0mil. That's $19.0mil of cap space taken up by those 4 players.

Crosby and Malkin get paid $8.7mil each. That's $17.4mil of cap space spent on two players. On top of that, their 3rd line center Staal gets paid $4.0mil.

Next year, both Crosby and Staal turn UFAs. The year after, it's Malkin and Letang. That's their big 4 ALL due for a significant raise on top of what they already make.



Neither Crosby or Malkin will likely recieve "raises" already at 8.7 mill cap hit, it'll be about the same again, if not less because they get signed long term.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:37 PM

Although obviously this deal proposed would never happen, I'll point out a few extra reasons why.

The problem Pittsburgh currently has is they have three big time centers. If they are going to trade one of them, it will not be in return for another center (Kesler). Also, the Fleury for Schneider swap makes little sense for both teams. Fleury had a bad playoff series but is still a cup winning goaltender who is not past his prime. Schneider is still unproven in a full season. In return, the Canucks now have over 10 million in goaltending.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 10:11 AM

For PIT to even consider this, you'll probably have to include another 1st round pick and Jensen. So it would look like this:

To VAN:

Sidney Crosby
Marc-Andre Fleury

To PIT:

Ryan Kesler
Alex Edler
Cory Schneider
Nicklas Jensen
1st round pick (2012)
1st round pick (2013)

I know Crosby is crowned the best hockey player in the world but I believe if an offer like the one above were ever to be proposed I think PIT wouldn't reject it right away and would take a look at it (not saying they would accept it but consider the pros and cons if said trade was executed).
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