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Star Players On The Pk, Why Are The Sedins Left Out?


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#61 Jester@wraiths.ca

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 12:36 AM

It's always enjoyable reading replies from people who never read the thread or paid attention to any information in it. It's one of the joys of CDC for sure.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:06 AM

It's always enjoyable reading replies from people who never read the thread or paid attention to any information in it. It's one of the joys of CDC for sure.


I actually do agree with your point, I think the Sedins as a secondary unit on the PK is definitely a viable option. And that whole thing about ooo they might get hurt on the PK? Please don't be ridiculous, despite their sisters label by a lot of haters, the peers of the Sedins (actual hockey players) have repeatedly stated how strong these guys are down low, and I personally don't believe they're that much more at risk of injury than at any other point during a game.

But Jester, you must know this by now, AV favors his grinders and greasy players and he is a fan of spreading the ice time evenly and allowing everyone to play their role. So in the end you will have those that agree with you and those that don't, but AV decides who goes out there along with his coaching staff, and he hasn't used em before and I doubt he'll start anytime soon.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:57 AM

The point has been made many times, and is a reason why many teams use star players on the PK if they are defensively capable - to keep the players involved in the game.

Benefits of the Sedins on the PK?
- Keeping them in the game, regardless of whether we have penalties. If you've played hockey and been stuck on the bench for long stretches, you know how you don't feel you're in the flow of the game.
- The Sedins showed when given the chance to PK, that they were effective
- If anyone remembers times they killed penalties, when they got the puck they often killed off a good 30 seconds straight in the opponents zone because they are so good at keeping possession of the puck.
- Players who are an offensive threat on the PK, make the PP tentative, more worried about giving up a short handed chance.
- Playing the PK pushes the players to be more defensively aware, which is an asset for even strength play. They become better two way players.


This. There were a few games when we took several consecutive penalties (in game 1 i think it was 12 minutes in the first period). The Sedins then come out cold. They don't need to play 2+ minutes of PK per game, but in situations like these, it would help keep them loose. Even if its just for a 15-20 second shift.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 04:09 PM

There is a stupid trend for Vancouver that skilled forwards are kept from killing penalties. It includes Naslund, Bertuzzi, the Sedins, Hodgson and Grabner. Younger guys like Hodgson and Grabner were automatically labeled as defensive liability even though they never had a chance to play the defensive role and both had an overall Plus rating playing for Vancouver. When Hodgson was the cornerstone in PK for the Canadian junior gold medal team and he suddenly became a defense liability in Vancouver, there has to be something wrong with the coach AV or the team.

Bertuzzi, Naslund and the Seinds indeed all became defensive liabilities as they were all kept away from playing that defensive role early in their careers. The twins are always outplayed by the opposition checkers in the playoffs and despite a SCF run the Sedins were -11 and - 9 in last year's playoff. It is just easy for most checkers to make a name for themselves playing against the twins in the playoffs. Naslund and Bertuzzi both carried Minuses during their stay here and their poor or absent back check had the top line outplayed 5 on 5.

Vancouver needs to put their young skilled forwards on the PK to learn the defensive game. This is how Kesler and Burrows became the defense specialists in the NHL.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 04:16 PM

In 09/10 Henrik got overloaded with penalty killing... got a whole 15 minutes of PK time and scored 2 shorthanded goals in that very very small amount of PK time.

In 05/06 when the Sedins were regular penalty killers, they combined for 5 points while shorthanded (3 for Henrik, 2 for Daniel), which equals the best penalty killers on the 11/12 team (Hansen had 3 SH points, Kesler, Burrows had 2 SH points each...). The Sedins killed over 2 minutes per game in 05/06 and were on for 14 (Henrik) and 13(Daniel) PP goals against.

Here's a comparison of PP goals against our Penalty killers per minute on the ice shorthanded. Comparing players who killed roughly 2 minutes per game, as the Sedins did when they had the chance.

Higher minutes is better

05/06
Henrik was on for 1 PP goal every 13.4 minutes on ice.
Daniel was on for 1 PP goal every 13.7 minutes on ice.

11/12

Malhotra was on for 1 PP goal every 9.8 minutes on ice.
Hansen was on for 1 PP goal every 9.2minutes on ice.

Kesler was on for 1 PP goal every 15.5 minutes on ice.
Burrows was on for 1 PP goal every 12.5 minutes on ice.

The Sedins success rate on the PK was better than every penalty killer on the team except Kesler.

Please don't tell me they aren't capable of killing penalties...




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