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#1 mikerest

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:00 PM

Quite interesting, not sure how much people should read into it

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#Habs GM Marc Bergevin confirms he had lunch meeting with A.Vigneault. Says it was just "old friends catching up".


Anyone know how legit the source is?

Edited by mikerest, 18 May 2012 - 08:02 PM.

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:04 PM

Maybe they're more than friends.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:04 PM

LOL
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:04 PM

Quite interesting, not sure how much people should read into it

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Anyone know how legit the source is?


Friends can't catch up with each other? I don't think it's something they will just make up. A.V still has one year with us, so nothing to really worry about.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:04 PM

AV to the Habs. Obvs. Who will be our coach now? JQ?
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:07 PM

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:13 PM

Friends with Benefits?
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:15 PM

AV and a 7th for Cunnyworth :bigblush:
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:20 PM

AV is under contract
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 08:36 PM

The NHL has outlawed compensation so could Alain Vigneault jump ship as head coach of the Vancouver Canucks to become the head coach for the Montreal Canadiens?

But I guess if his heart's not here, the Canucks will have to release him?
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 09:03 PM

The NHL has outlawed compensation so could Alain Vigneault jump ship as head coach of the Vancouver Canucks to become the head coach for the Montreal Canadiens?

But I guess if his heart's not here, the Canucks will have to release him?


No, he still has a contract with us.

Any discussion between the two of them about a coaching position would be tampering, and the league takes that very seriously. Neither of them are dumb enough to do that.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 09:06 PM

well friends are open with one another and bergevin is now up to date on av's status, your guess is as good as the next guy.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 09:11 PM

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Good riddance. Hopefully he stays in Montreal.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 09:13 PM

well friends are open with one another and bergevin is now up to date on av's status, your guess is as good as the next guy.


Kind of fishy that you've got one guy who just got the GM position and is looking for a new coach, and another guy with ties to Montreal that has had his contract extension delayed for some mysterious reason.

I'm sure they are old friends, it's just the timing of it is kind of strange considering the circumstances.

Perhaps Gillis gave him permission to explore his options in Montreal?
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 09:20 PM

Have lunch they said..

It's a time to catch up they said..

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All jokes aside, it's nothing more than speculation.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 09:21 PM

Good riddance. Hopefully he stays in Montreal.


Be careful what you wish for.

Everyone just assumes a coaching change would automatically makes us better, when it doesn't always work that way. In fact I'd say there's more of a chance that we get worse.

A good coach is hard to find, and even if you get a good one, sometimes they don't fit into certain places. That's why we see so much coaching turnover year after year. Just look at Hitchcock. Jack Adams favorite in most fans eyes, and then his team gets swept in the second round.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side. At least we know what we have with AV.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 09:45 PM

Kind of fishy that you've got one guy who just got the GM position and is looking for a new coach, and another guy with ties to Montreal that has had his contract extension delayed for some mysterious reason.

I'm sure they are old friends, it's just the timing of it is kind of strange considering the circumstances.

Perhaps Gillis gave him permission to explore his options in Montreal?

you may be onto something, i've noticed when the montreal coaching names come up in discussions, coach v's name is absent and because he is under contract there is probably a gag order amongst tv pundits, why wouldn't they speculate this, it's a perfect fit really.

i recall going into the playoffs/late season, ron mclean saying, " i would like to see vigneault in montreal" as they went to commercial on hotstove.

like i said bergevin is up to date.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 10:17 PM

chem-trail? com-trail??
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 10:25 PM

No coach in NHL history has won a Stanley Cup after not winning it by his 6th year. AV has been with this team for 6 years.

Approx 25% of the Cup winning coaches have done it in their 1st year as coach.
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:07 AM

Be careful what you wish for.

Everyone just assumes a coaching change would automatically makes us better, when it doesn't always work that way. In fact I'd say there's more of a chance that we get worse.

A good coach is hard to find, and even if you get a good one, sometimes they don't fit into certain places. That's why we see so much coaching turnover year after year. Just look at Hitchcock. Jack Adams favorite in most fans eyes, and then his team gets swept in the second round.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side. At least we know what we have with AV.

Who knows what motivates people and organizations. Your point about AV being given permission to talk to Montreal makes sense from MG's personal development philosophy. While true that good coaches are hard to find there is also truth that the message from a long term coach can get stale. AV is a good coach but he has to win a CUP to be great.

I like AV but my developing concerns are about how he readies the team for playoff contention. I am also concerned that Hodgson was traded when the team knew that Kesler was not anywhere near healthy. I can appreciate that value judgements are involved so this is speculation on my part. It is making me question the org's vision of what it takes moving forward. Some of these concerns have little to do with AV directly but most organizations do have a uniting philosophy.
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:27 AM

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No coach in NHL history has won a Stanley Cup after not winning it by his 6th year. AV has been with this team for 6 years.

Approx 25% of the Cup winning coaches have done it in their 1st year as coach.


Totally agree. Time for AV to hit the road. Sometimes a team just needs a new voice to shake things up.
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:53 AM

No, he still has a contract with us.

Any discussion between the two of them about a coaching position would be tampering, and the league takes that very seriously. Neither of them are dumb enough to do that.


I dont know if thats how it works for coaches....
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 09:03 AM

“Alain and I have been meeting the last couple of days and we have a lot of things to discuss over the last couple of years about where we’re headed, how we work together and how we view the world of hockey,” said Gillis.

“It’s a process that you have to go through. I’m sure we all feel the same way about where we are as a team and an organization and the steps we have to take in order to compete for the Stanley Cup again.

“That isn’t something that happens in an instant. It takes a little time and often it takes getting into the clear light of day. Everyone is very emotional when seasons end — coaching staff, players, owners, us. It’s not a position to make great judgments about important things.

“I believe you just take your time and look at it clearly and thoughtfully and you’ll get to the right conclusion. I know sometimes it doesn’t happen on the schedule that people want or they want to interpret something into it, but that’s just the way I do things.”

Vigneault has one year left on his current contract but when Gillis answered questions last week about his own deal being extended, he wouldn’t be pinned down about the coach’s future. He said he wanted Vigneault back and the coach also wanted to return.

“You have to have agreement and we’re going to work together toward creating an agreement,” Gillis explained last week.


Read more: http://www.theprovin...l#ixzz1vKeTpDF3


Has a difference in hockey philosophy arisen after that meeting?
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 09:54 AM

Really using that as a source? LOL
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 11:31 AM

No coach in NHL history has won a Stanley Cup after not winning it by his 6th year. AV has been with this team for 6 years.

Approx 25% of the Cup winning coaches have done it in their 1st year as coach.


Well that just means that a coach that has coached for over 6 years is due to win a cup.

I dont know if thats how it works for coaches....


Yea it does. A coach needs permission from a GM to talk to any other GMs about coaching positions, otherwise it's tampering.
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 02:41 PM

A.V is under contract for one more season. Montreal can't recruit him or whatever. It's funny how because he's a coach is a different ball game. Can you imagine if it Shea Weber was having Lunch with Mike Gillis? Heck Weber has one year left until he's a ufa. Kinda like A.V has one more year and then he's a free man, but he's a coach, so nothing is reallly going to happen, lol, but ive seen this before, If Montreal wants him, I think Gillis can trade the rights to Montreal, and Montreal will have to give us a pick for Gillis, kinda like how Brian Burke had to give Colorado a 2nd round pick (a 1st round pick if they made the playoffs) for Marc Crawford.
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 04:12 PM

A.V is under contract for one more season. Montreal can't recruit him or whatever. It's funny how because he's a coach is a different ball game. Can you imagine if it Shea Weber was having Lunch with Mike Gillis? Heck Weber has one year left until he's a ufa. Kinda like A.V has one more year and then he's a free man, but he's a coach, so nothing is reallly going to happen, lol, but ive seen this before, If Montreal wants him, I think Gillis can trade the rights to Montreal, and Montreal will have to give us a pick for Gillis, kinda like how Brian Burke had to give Colorado a 2nd round pick (a 1st round pick if they made the playoffs) for Marc Crawford.


There are no provisions in the CBA for this. Gillis either lets Vigneault talk to other clubs and lets him go or doesn't and the Canucks don't get any compensation.
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 04:16 PM

No, he still has a contract with us.

Any discussion between the two of them about a coaching position would be tampering, and the league takes that very seriously. Neither of them are dumb enough to do that.


Unless Montreal asked for permission which happens all the time. There is a good chance Vancouver would say yes as well for AV's sake.
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 05:22 PM

Then we can sign Larry Robinson!

WOO!
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Posted 19 May 2012 - 05:25 PM

There are no provisions in the CBA for this. Gillis either lets Vigneault talk to other clubs and lets him go or doesn't and the Canucks don't get any compensation.


Prior to hiring Michelle Terrian, Pittsburgh wanted to hire A.V as their head coach, however because he was under contract with the Vancouver Canucks at the time, (our farm coach) Pittsburgh would have had to surrender a draft pick if they wanted to hire A.V. In the end they couldn't afford to use "trade" a pick for him.

Anahiem also had to compensate the Vancouver Canucks for hiring Randy Caryle, who was under the Canucks organization. So i'm not sure were your arguement comes into play. We recieved a 3rd round pick, from Anahiem I believe. So right now I'm little confused but you just said.
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