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#61 Toews

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:08 PM

True that.

One stop shopping plan: Schenn and Ashton (and a pick and/or someone else?) for Luongo and a package from the Canucks? The Canucks package could include a combination from the following assets: their 1st pick in 2012, a prospect, perhaps Ballard or Booth.

This would do something for the top-6 winger issue (although Ashton is still quite young), and Schenn could fit in as a top-4 d-man. The remainder of the eam needs could be filled from the UFA pool, hopefully.

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Booth or Ballard have little to value in a trade, packaging them with Luongo adds little to nothing to the trade and in the case of Ballard actually brings the value of the deal down. There is nothing you can add to the trade that will convince them to deal their pick this year.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:10 PM

I could also see this:

Luongo, Ballard FOR Lecavalier


Now I would do that.... maybe... not... I don't know.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:13 PM

If anyone thinks Gardiner is untouchable then they are seriously overrating Gardiner. He isn't that good, and he won't be that great. He's a solid B rated prospect. To say Gardiner is in the same league as Larrson and Hedman is crazy.


Solid B rated prospect seriously?

http://www.nhl.com/i...iewName=summary

And these are just stats which don't represent the whole story.The guy looks like the real deal, only a person who hasnt watched him play can say something that stupid. He was by and far the best rookie defenseman in the league this year, you cannot call him a B rated prospect.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:21 PM

Solid B rated prospect seriously?

http://www.nhl.com/i...iewName=summary

And these are just stats which don't represent the whole story.The guy looks like the real deal, only a person who hasnt watched him play can say something that stupid. He was by and far the best rookie defenseman in the league this year, you cannot call him a B rated prospect.


Exactly, he is an offensive defenseman on a team without an offensive defenseman. There are 2 other defenseman on that rookie list I'd rather have than Gardiner. Gardiner will turn out to be a solid defenseman, but I don't see a franchise dman in him, hence why he isn't an A grade.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:21 PM

Booth or Ballard have little to value in a trade, packaging them with Luongo adds little to nothing to the trade and in the case of Ballard actually brings the value of the deal down. There is nothing you can add to the trade that will convince them to deal their pick this year.


Well, I did not specify from which round the Toronto pick would be. My bad there. :)

My inclusion of Booth and Ballard (who I believe do have trade value) were included mostly because they could be the guys who are odd men out. This is not meant as a knock on their ability, but rather that they are the guys who will potentially be without a spot.

If the Canucks do acquire a top-4 dman, Ballard becomes a bit too expensive to keep as a bottom 6 d-man. In a similar manner, if the Canucks get a left winger of substance, Booth becomes a bit expensive to keep as a 3rd line winger, unless he can move to the right side, assuming there is a spot available there. Kassian or a new guy could be pushing.for the top-6 right wing spot which is open.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:27 PM

In the other thread you posted I should get married with Stamkoks, i think you are

Stamkoks, Really? Not calling you gay but......
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:03 AM

Stamkoks, Really? Not calling you gay but......


Good catch!
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 07:05 AM

Exactly, he is an offensive defenseman on a team without an offensive defenseman. There are 2 other defenseman on that rookie list I'd rather have than Gardiner. Gardiner will turn out to be a solid defenseman, but I don't see a franchise dman in him, hence why he isn't an A grade.


Umm what? Phaneuf and Liles are both offensive defenseman.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:53 AM

Umm what? Phaneuf and Liles are both offensive defenseman.


Well. Besides THOSE two offensive defensemen he's the only one on the team. ;)

I could see you guys offloading Ballard to a team looking to reach the cap floor; that's about it.

I still have trouble with most people's valuation of Luongo and that contract. It's that bad in my opinion.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:53 AM

Yeah, he WAS a vein finalist, just face it, he just sucks now, and will never return to the form he was years ago. Vinny's Contract is actually better, as he's averaged 80 points per season since the lockout, and will still be useful in the last years of his contract. Luongo will be a 5.33 mill backup


I liks how you act like Luongo is a bad goalie, hes in the top 5-10 goalies in the league, look at his numbers since hes been in vancouver. I hope Luo gets traded and we go with Schneider, but i think a trade is best for the canucks and Luongo. St Loius for Luongo straight across is a worse deal for vancouver. Luos contract isnt as bad as people think, he will retire before his contract's up and it wont go against the cap anyways.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:09 PM

I think St. Luois has a NTC. But even if he does not, I would not want another soft forward in the later stages of his career thrown to the wolves as Vancouver Fans are.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:16 PM

I still think its gonna be Luongo+1st for Lecavalier. An awesome goalies goes to the team that needs a goalie to make the playoffs. A proven playoff center with huge size goes to the team that needs playoff performance. Win Win.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:17 PM

LOL Tampa wouldn't take overpaid trash like Luongo for St Louis, the most you'd get for Luongo is Komisarek, No team will give up anything of value for Luongo. Schneider is more likely to be traded, you are stuck with this bum for 10 more years ::D



What? Luongo is "overpaid" ??

He's cheaper than or equivalent to other #1's such as Fleury, Bryzgalov, Lundqvist, Ward, Kiprusoff, Backstrom, Miller, Thomas, Brodeur, Rinne, and DiPietro. Not to mention that when Quick/Price are resigned in 2/1 years respectively, they'll make money in this range too.

What? Luongo is "trash" ?

He took us to 4OT in the Playoffs, and was one save away from setting a playoff save record.
He took Canada to Gold in the World Championship and at the Olympics.
He is the winningest goalie in franchise history, with every year being over 30 wins(even when he's injured for a long time), and his lowest save percentage of 91.3%.
He tied the record for the most wins in a season, only to have Brodeur beat it the same year.
He is capable of playing 76 game regular seasons, and following them up with epic playoff runs.
He took us to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Total trash.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:52 PM

He might get you a late first rounder, but a cap dump would also have to be coming back

He might get you a late first rounder, but a cap dump would also have to be coming back


Yes...st louis is an aging forward with a huge cap hit...hence the post...please don't intrude if your going to cause problems.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:54 PM

Luongo, Hansen, and 1st(26th overall)

for

Brett Connolly and Tampa's 1st rounder.


Not bad but keep in mind Kesler is out for six months...we really need some one who can put the puck in the net right away.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:00 PM

What? Luongo is "overpaid" ??

He's cheaper than or equivalent to other #1's such as Fleury, Bryzgalov, Lundqvist, Ward, Kiprusoff, Backstrom, Miller, Thomas, Brodeur, Rinne, and DiPietro. Not to mention that when Quick/Price are resigned in 2/1 years respectively, they'll make money in this range too.

What? Luongo is "trash" ?

He took us to 4OT in the Playoffs, and was one save away from setting a playoff save record.
He took Canada to Gold in the World Championship and at the Olympics.
He is the winningest goalie in franchise history, with every year being over 30 wins(even when he's injured for a long time), and his lowest save percentage of 91.3%.
He tied the record for the most wins in a season, only to have Brodeur beat it the same year.
He is capable of playing 76 game regular seasons, and following them up with epic playoff runs.
He took us to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Total trash.


Exactly!! More than that if your GM Steve Y ...you have to get an elite goalie immidiately....and you have very little options. ..
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:06 PM

I was promised a realistic proposal for Luongo, none were found.

This thread failed to deliver.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:54 PM

We keep Lu
Trade Schneider,Raymond,Booth,Ballard,1st
for Nash and 1st round draft.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 06:03 PM

Ill solve this little Luongos value fiasco. If we dont get something decent for him Gillis doesnt trade him and thats it.(even if he has to keep both goalies)
In that case they get kept to the deadline and then there values will both go up to someone desperate to make the playoffs and dont have a good goalie going into the playoffs
whether lou is worth a little or a lot his value certainly is not going down between now and then
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 12:14 AM

What? Luongo is "overpaid" ??

He's cheaper than or equivalent to other #1's such as Fleury, Bryzgalov, Lundqvist, Ward, Kiprusoff, Backstrom, Miller, Thomas, Brodeur, Rinne, and DiPietro. Not to mention that when Quick/Price are resigned in 2/1 years respectively, they'll make money in this range too.

What? Luongo is "trash" ?

He took us to 4OT in the Playoffs, and was one save away from setting a playoff save record.

He took Canada to Gold in the World Championship and at the Olympics.
He is the winningest goalie in franchise history, with every year being over 30 wins(even when he's injured for a long time), and his lowest save percentage of 91.3%.
He tied the record for the most wins in a season, only to have Brodeur beat it the same year.
He is capable of playing 76 game regular seasons, and following them up with epic playoff runs.
He took us to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Total trash.

Chill,he's a troll, no need to spaz out at him.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 12:15 AM

Good catch!

Thanks
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:58 AM

I knew I was forgetting about another dbag, all of you guys piss me off! Go get a ******* paper and pencil. Wasting my time, having to scroll down and see a long post, with the same bull again and again


im a dbag too


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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:02 AM

Ill solve this little Luongos value fiasco. If we dont get something decent for him Gillis doesnt trade him and thats it.(even if he has to keep both goalies)
In that case they get kept to the deadline and then there values will both go up to someone desperate to make the playoffs and dont have a good goalie going into the playoffs
whether lou is worth a little or a lot his value certainly is not going down between now and then


Hasn't Schneider already said he doesn't want to sign a contract unless he knows he's going to play? Pretty sure he's already indicated he doesn't want to platoon. (If that's changed in the last few months I've obviously missed it.)
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 06:21 PM

Hasn't Schneider already said he doesn't want to sign a contract unless he knows he's going to play? Pretty sure he's already indicated he doesn't want to platoon. (If that's changed in the last few months I've obviously missed it.)

i dont recall him saying that but even if he did he is still a rfa and ours for at least one more year. Im sure the team wants to trade one of the two goalies and doesnt want to hold anyone back,( not to mention getting an asset for a goalie who would otherwise be sitting on the bench) but at the end of the day they will try to maximize there assets coming back any way they can. If that means waiting till the deadline then thats what it means.
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Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:10 PM

LOL Tampa wouldn't take overpaid trash like Luongo for St Louis, the most you'd get for Luongo is Komisarek, No team will give up anything of value for Luongo. Schneider is more likely to be traded, you are stuck with this bum for 10 more years ::D


Forget Power-Thirst. . . . Why not try POWER-RETARDED!!!

You'll feel so stupid, you'll think your this guy! You'll act so stupid people will think your this guy! You'll say such stupid things that people with think your actually this guy! You will get in a tie with this guy for the lowest IQ on CDC and they will think you are this guy and send you back to the place farrrrrrrrrrrrrr from Vancouver that this guy is from!

I'm going to hold onto this quote to flame you every time you post something yext year.
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Posted 29 May 2012 - 01:12 PM

Look at the David Booth Trade,

FLA def took the loss to dump booth's contract and fairly LARGE salary on the Nucks.

So if we want to get rid of LU, we are not going to get the return that the fans want.

Realistically, im thinking that we are going to get back an over paid 2nd or 3rd line center or 3 or 4th calibre defenceman. (hopefully not lecavalier) and a second or third round pick.

If Gillis can work out a deal with Burke to aquire Luke Schenn and Toronto's Second pick for LU, a depth forward (Mayray RFA) or a prospect and a 2012 pick (2nd or 5th i guess), I couldnt be happier.
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Posted 29 May 2012 - 03:24 PM

Of all the wishful thinking, bogus ideas and proposals with out actual cap facts or consideration I thought I would post a viable trade that might just work for both sides both financially and for each teams dynamic moving forward.

I propose;   Luongo for Matin St. Louis  straight accross.

Luongo cap hit is 5.3 million

St Louis cap hit is 5.6 million

Heres why,

We all know that Luongo's family resides in Florida so thats factor number one.  

Looking at Tampas cap situation was really interesting.  

Factor two,They have almost 26 million tied up in their top four forwards all with long term contracts.   They desperately need to move one of those.

Factor three is goaltending for Tampa.  They have three low tier goalies two of which are in contract years, the third is a questionable unproven back up.  Its clear that Tampa Bay's glaring hole is in goaltending.  GM Steve Y is deifinately nervouse at this point.....Locking up an elite CANADIAN goalie like Lungo long term would be just fine with him.

ST Louis is 35 years old but lets just look at his numbers for the last three years..
                                        2009-2010                            Tampa Bay Lightning                            NHL                            82                            29                            65                            94                            12                            |                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2010-2011                            Tampa Bay Lightning                            NHL                            82                            31                            68                            99                            12                            |                            Playoffs                            18                            10                            10                            20                            4                                            2011-2012                            Tampa Bay Lightning                            NHL                            77                            25                            49                            74                            16                            |                                                                                                                                                                                          
                  

so from 32 to 35  hes put up 267 points..... Lets compare this with...

Kesler  
                                        2009-2010                            Vancouver Canucks                            NHL                            82                            25                            50                            75                            104                            |                            Playoffs                            12                            1                            9                            10                            4                                                                         USA OG                            OG                            6                            2                            0                            2                            2                            |                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2010-2011                            Vancouver Canucks                            NHL                            82                            41                            32                            73                            66                            |                            Playoffs                            25                            7                            12                            19                            47                                            2011-2012                            Vancouver Canucks                            NHL                            77                            22                            27                            49                            56                            |                            Playoffs                            5                            0                            3                            3                            6            


from 23 to 26 Kes put up 197 points.....

Ill take this trade all day long.....can you imagine adding St louis to second line with Booth and Kesler?

I think our scoring woes would be significantly less severe at this point with both sides addressing serious needs.


I always read these posts and I just have had enough with the dumb ideas. St Louis will not be traded before Malone. Put it this way if the canucks needed to get a goalie and we needed to trade one of our top 6 forwards. Would you trade Daniel(St Louis) or Booth(Malone)?
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Posted 29 May 2012 - 11:14 PM

I always read these posts and I just have had enough with the dumb ideas. St Louis will not be traded before Malone. Put it this way if the canucks needed to get a goalie and we needed to trade one of our top 6 forwards. Would you trade Daniel(St Louis) or Booth(Malone)?



I respect your opinion but st louis will be 36 with a large cap it so comparing him to daniel is really ...well its just not smart....and saying that booth could fetch a top five goalie with a low cap hit??? ...yeah..also not smart.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:46 PM

LOL Tampa wouldn't take overpaid trash like Luongo for St Louis, the most you'd get for Luongo is Komisarek, No team will give up anything of value for Luongo. Schneider is more likely to be traded, you are stuck with this bum for 10 more years ::D


Over paid trash...wow...Notice Luongo has the best GA in the league right now.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:32 PM

Yeah, he WAS a vezina finalist, just face it, he just sucks now, and will never return to the form he was years ago. Vinny's Contract is actually better, as he's averaged 80 points per season since the lockout, and will still be useful in the last years of his contract. Luongo will be a 5.33 mill backup

LOL Tampa wouldn't take overpaid trash like Luongo for St Louis, the most you'd get for Luongo is Komisarek, No team will give up anything of value for Luongo. Schneider is more likely to be traded, you are stuck with this bum for 10 more years ::D

Haha, Tampa laughs at you. Luongo is declining, and probably has the worst contract in the nhl. St. Louis is worth more to the Lightning then the Sedins are to Vancouver. Try Schneider + Burrows, and maybe they won't laugh as much.

That's fine, you wouldn't even get Lecavalier for Luongo.

Stop insulting hetorosexual people. Show your Gay pride else where, you will not convince me, sir!

I'm not a homophobe, but it is clear what you are trying to do. This is a hockey forum, please take it else where. Trying to discuss hockey, and you randomly talk about some gay bullcrap

In the other thread you posted I should get married with Stamkoks, i think you are

This guy has another account and is +1'ing himself for sure.
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