Italia2006 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 True, Foligno did have a good year. Kassian is bigger and is a right handed shot which are things we need, he also played great in the WJHC. He is more of a PWF and plays a more physical game, and was pretty good in the defensive zone. With a little bit more time I believe he will be a great player in the future. Also, both are the same age. They are born in 1991, except Zack is born in January which makes him older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Cant' predict the future. This may work out to be the greatest trade in sports history. Who knows. But deadline trades usually make the team stronger for the immediate playoffs. Weise > Kassian this year's run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Well when you're gauging value for trades with players who have played limitted games in the NHL, usually you wanna trade a high pick prospect for another high pick prospect. Foligno is far from a proven player. That's why you've gotta trust your scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Cant' predict the future. This may work out to be the greatest trade in sports history. Who knows. But deadline trades usually make the team stronger for the immediate playoffs. Weise > Kassian this year's run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 To prefer Foligno is another premature judgement, based ironically on very little hindsight. Not a single person considered mentioning Foligno at the time of the trade. The idea of substituting Foligno for Kassian would have been mocked outright by virtually everyone, and to continue to under-estimate Kassian based on about 60 minutes of NHL playing time in Vancouver is downright ridiculous. Foligno scored 16 goals this season in Rochester in 60 games - Kassian scored 15 in 30 games. Foligno had a good first month in the NHL playing big minutes on a desperate team, scoring 6 goals. Kassian had a good first month playing minimal, role minutes on a contender. He had an entirely different opportunity and did what was expected of him. If you think you can project Foligno's numbers into the future I think you are deluded. If you are assuming that a month indicates clearly what you can expect for the future of their careers, likewise. Very happy to have Kassian here, and look forward to seeing him develop in a Canucks uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 To prefer Foligno is another premature judgement, based ironically on very little hindsight. Not a single person considered mentioning Foligno at the time of the trade. The idea of substituting Foligno for Kassian would have been mocked outright by virtually everyone, and to continue to under-estimate Kassian based on about 60 minutes of NHL playing time in Vancouver is downright ridiculous. Foligno scored 16 goals this season in Rochester in 60 games - Kassian scored 15 in 30 games. Foligno had a good first month in the NHL playing big minutes on a desperate team, scoring 6 goals. Kassian had a good first month playing minimal, role minutes on a contender. He had an entirely different opportunity and did what was expected of him. If you think you can project Foligno's numbers into the future I think you are deluded. If you are assuming that a month indicates clearly what you can expect for the future of their careers, likewise. Very happy to have Kassian here, and look forward to seeing him develop in a Canucks uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Exactly, so why do it at the deadline. Don't you think the fans would of been better if this deal took place in the offseason than doing it at the deadline. Gillis put a lot of preasure on the poor guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Maybe Kassian wouldn't have been available in the offseason. Maybe Gillis believes that Kassian is exactly what this team needs, and he was willing to jump at the opportunity to acquire him. Just have faith that he knows what he's doing. We really don't know what was going on behind closed doors. For all we know Hodgson was the whiniest primma donna player in NHL history. Maybe Gillis couldn't wait to get rid of him. Regardless, people have got to move on. We don't need to put extra pressure on Kassian by always comparing him to the great cody hodgson. Just support the guy and hope that he develops into the player he is capable of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 If Hodgson was the whiniest player in nhl history it doesn't deserve a knee jerk reaction.Gillis might of one the fight with Hodgson but he's lost the war.Gillis fed us the same nonsense that Kassian might not be available in the offseason but that could be said about every deal. It's not like we stole Kassian from the Sabres right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonz Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 To me it's a no brainer and I can't believe we didn't get Foligno for Hodgson. That deal would of made more sense for the Canucks and probably would of helped out in the short term and long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 DP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Neither Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonz Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 If Hodgson was the whiniest player in nhl history it doesn't deserve a knee jerk reaction.Gillis might of one the fight with Hodgson but he's lost the war.Gillis fed us the same nonsense that Kassian might not be available in the offseason but that could be said about every deal. It's not like we stole Kassian from the Sabres right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Maybe gillis thinking is other teams would be going after him in the offseason where as at trade deadline less teams are willing to change their roster significantly for an unproven player. I think for sure kassian would be available at year end he wasn't doing nothing there with wateva ice time he got while foligno was a beast he fights n hits pretty good. And he racked up some points. My opinion is that if hodgson would of stayed he probably would of got more points than playing for sabres. His trade value would have been alot better if that was the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulKariyaALH Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Kassian sucks. He will be nothing but a 4th liner in the future. I can't believe Gillis traded Hodgson for a useless goon. He could have asked for Kassian + Foligno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velocity Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 To put a little eperspective on this dea,l my friend, an oilers fan came up to me a few days after the trade and was like, " Dude the canucks got totally fleeced", so I told him i didnt thinks so and asked him whether in a couple of seasons he would rather face the canucks in the season or playoffs with Kassian or Hodgson on the second lines, He changed his views about the trade on the spot Of course this is just one scenario considering both players would be on the second line, only the future will provide the answers on whether this was a good trade or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Time will tell... The thing is, if a player like Kassian had as many points as Hodgson did last season he would be worth way more because of the type of player he is. Power forwards with a nasty side to them are the most coveted players in the league. And once they develop, they're almost impossible to get from other teams. That's why it seems like Gillis overpaid on paper. Because it's based on the potential of each player. Gillis is taking a gamble that Kassian will become a dominant power forward. And if that happens, he will become one of the most valuable assets we have. Basically if both of them reach their potential, we win the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Scoring is one thing but to be able throw consistent body checks is another. I guy his size should be pounding people on a consistent basis and that never happened.The only guy hitting people on our team was Lapierre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHL Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Canucks fans really never learn do they? Does anyone else find it ironic that only a season ago fans were writing off Hodgson and saying we should trade him? Now everyone's already writing off Kassian as a 21 year old. Stop being so damn impatient with our prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Kassian sucks. He will be nothing but a 4th liner in the future. I can't believe Gillis traded Hodgson for a useless goon. He could have asked for Kassian + Foligno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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