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#1 zombieksa

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:11 PM

To Tampa:
Luongo
Rights to Raymond**

To Vancouver:
37th, 40th, 50th, 53rd** picks

** These are only included in deal if Florida elects to give its 2nd round choice to Tampa this year.

Why Vancouver does this:
- Cap space
- Go into draft with 6 top 60 picks to either use to find a few gems (good scouting team) or use as trade bait.
- Get a pick for a contract that wasn't working in the system but would work well somewhere else.
- Luongo gets to go to a team near his family helping Vancouver's PR reputation

Why TB does this:
- Get franchise goalie
-Improve 26th-rated penalty kill with a young forward who also has good potential offense
-keep both top 20 picks in draft.

Edited by knoxdown, 21 May 2012 - 09:25 PM.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:15 PM

um the 10th overall has more value than all of those picks, with that being said, Luo could fetch that pick + Aulie or Connelly
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:16 PM

Original, which is good, but I'd rather have a player coming our way that can make an immediate impact. Besides, Stevie Y probably wants to keep those draft picks.

Edited by ButterBean, 21 May 2012 - 09:18 PM.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:17 PM

DP

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:17 PM

Original, which is good, but I'd rather have a player coming our way that can make an immediate impact,


I completely agree. No point trading Luongo away for a possible future when most draft picks never make it to the NHL
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:18 PM

um the 10th overall has more value than all of those picks, with that being said, Luo could fetch that pick + Aulie or Connelly

No he would not.

The OP's deal isnt bad. 4 second round picks is not a bad offer, it will definitely stock the Canucks prospect pool quite nicely.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:21 PM

The 10th overall plus Connelly for Lui and say Raymond would be a win-win for both teams.

Been salivating for a while now at the prospect of icing a kid line of Kassian - Jensen - Connelly next season.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:24 PM

No he would not.

The OP's deal isnt bad. 4 second round picks is not a bad offer, it will definitely stock the Canucks prospect pool quite nicely.


Thank you!

Also keep in mind that there are many 2nd round picks that have turned out fantastic for organizations, while there are 1st round picks that turn out to be duds, stay in Europe, or become cancerous for an organization (a la Coho).

Sometimes quantity IS more important than quality.

Worst case scenario we also offer up our 5th round pick to try and even out the number of picks.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:27 PM

Luongo, Gragnani, Malhotra (Limited NMC/NTC) & Van 2nd

for

Purcell, Aulie & TBL 1st
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:30 PM

Luongo, Gragnani, Malhotra (Limited NMC/NTC) & Van 2nd

for

Purcell, Aulie & TBL 1st


yes, Liberace, we've read you most recent brainchild.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 09:55 PM

... How often is there a good player in the 2nd round. Rarely.

I want players who can play now.

Would not consider this deal, Luongo can fetch more.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:13 PM

I never see Malone's name in proposals anymore. I'm not totally sold on Connolly and I don't discuss draft picks often in trades because they are both insignificant past the 1st round and can swing in either direction. The way I see it there's 4 players we can target on TB in a straight up trade of players, NO draft picks.

-Lacavalier (Similar big contract to Luongo's)
-Purcell (seems like a Burrows-esque player)
-Malone (Big,power-forward who can score)
-Connolly (unproven, RW who can score,dangle and has size but might not make his potential)
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:15 PM

... How often is there a good player in the 2nd round. Rarely.

I want players who can play now.

Would not consider this deal, Luongo can fetch more.


eriksson, bergeron, weber, carle, backes, bolland, fransson, bickell, booth, krecji, neal, vlasic, raymond, stastny, lucic, seabrook, mcbain, subban, spalling, simmonds, galiardi...
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:19 PM

^ this
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:21 PM

eriksson, bergeron, weber, carle, backes, bolland, fransson, bickell, booth, krecji, neal, vlasic, raymond, stastny, lucic, seabrook, mcbain, subban, spalling, simmonds, galiardi...

thats 21 out of how many that are drafted??? bad odds

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:52 PM

eriksson, bergeron, weber, carle, backes, bolland, fransson, bickell, booth, krecji, neal, vlasic, raymond, stastny, lucic, seabrook, mcbain, subban, spalling, simmonds, galiardi...


thats 21 out of how many that are drafted??? bad odds


Thank you.. This ^.

I bet if you run the statistics you'll get a very small percentage of succesful players from the 2nd round. This isn't NHL 12, not every player turns out good. After the top 10 you're taking a risk and even in the top 10 you might run a risk too.

I don't want picks who will be good in 3-5 years (If they even are?). I want players who will play now and help us win next season.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:25 AM

I want players that can help immediately as well, hence having 6 top 60 picks may be great bargaining chips to get a few good players out of rebuilding teams.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:03 AM

Maybe a couple of mid prospects that are close to ready would carry less risk?

Keith Aulie + (Tyler Johnson or Cory Conacher) + 37th + 53**?

Johnson and Conacher seem a little small for NHL... the next St Louis?
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:56 AM

eriksson, bergeron, weber, carle, backes, bolland, fransson, bickell, booth, krecji, neal, vlasic, raymond, stastny, lucic, seabrook, mcbain, subban, spalling, simmonds, galiardi...

thats 21 out of how many that are drafted??? bad odds

Yup, how many years do those players listed cover with 30 picks for each of those years in the 2nd round?

Here's an excellent look at how often draft picks make the NHL:

Beyond the first round.

This is where the NHL dream begins to fade in a hurry:
From 1990 to 1999, about one-quarter of the players selected in the second round turned into NHL career players.

Those drafted in the third round and beyond are really up against it.
From over 2,000 players selected in the third round and beyond during 1990s, just 261 made it as NHL career players. That's about 12 percent.

So, with your deal, you're hoping we get one player out of those four 2nd round picks that will have any long-term viability.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:01 PM

The 10th overall plus Connelly for Lui and say Raymond would be a win-win for both teams.

Been salivating for a while now at the prospect of icing a kid line of Kassian - Jensen - Connelly next season.


That line isn't really possible considering all 3 players are natural RW'ers :P
I don't think we need connolly, especially when we have the chance to grab a guy like Malone or Lecavalier or ST.Louis

To TB: Luongo,Booth,Raymond,1st Rd.Pick
To VAN: St.Louis, Malone

Luongo, and Booth = St.Louis
Raymond and a 1st = Malone

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
St.Louis-Kesler-Malone
Higgins-Schroeder-Hansen
Manny-Lapierre-Kassian
Jensen,Weise

Bieksa-Hamhuis
Edler-Shultz
Tanev-Salo

Schneider
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:18 PM

That line isn't really possible considering all 3 players are natural RW'ers :P
I don't think we need connolly, especially when we have the chance to grab a guy like Malone or Lecavalier or ST.Louis

To TB: Luongo,Booth,Raymond,1st Rd.Pick
To VAN: St.Louis, Malone

Luongo, and Booth = St.Louis
Raymond and a 1st = Malone

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
St.Louis-Kesler-Malone
Higgins-Schroeder-Hansen
Manny-Lapierre-Kassian
Jensen,Weise

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I'm sorry... But you must be kidding right.

That is... by far the worst overpayment in the world.

Thank god you're not GM. Why would I give up Luongo an elite goaltender plus a 50 point 2nd liner in David Booth for a 36 year old, who will most like retire in the next 2-3 years and most likely won't get more than 80 points anymore (He only got 74 last seasoN). Not to mention on top of that, you want to give a 1st round pick :picard:

If anything Luongo and Booth for St.Louis and Malone would be enough and even that's pushing it. Either way Tampa benefits a lot more from this trade then we do.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 05:37 PM

I'm sorry... But you must be kidding right.

That is... by far the worst overpayment in the world.

Thank god you're not GM. Why would I give up Luongo an elite goaltender plus a 50 point 2nd liner in David Booth for a 36 year old, who will most like retire in the next 2-3 years and most likely won't get more than 80 points anymore (He only got 74 last seasoN). Not to mention on top of that, you want to give a 1st round pick :picard:

If anything Luongo and Booth for St.Louis and Malone would be enough and even that's pushing it. Either way Tampa benefits a lot more from this trade then we do.


Age before Beauty Goat Cheese....

St.Louis is still a premeir player in this league, he is definately an upgrade over Booth and Malone can play on either line and is a big-body presence. Raymond needs a change of scenery and probably will never hit the 25 goal plateau again. 1 years 1st round pick isnt that much to give up considering we have 3 top forwards in Kassian,Jensen and Schroeder making their way up, not to mention Sauve and Tanev. Shultz as a BC boy has a chance to sign here which would pay for that loss of a draft pick 10x over.

Edited by Burrenden, 22 May 2012 - 05:37 PM.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 06:16 PM

Im amazed at how people on this board have such polar opposite opinions of luos value. its truly amazing!!!
I long for the day when he is actually traded so that the threads can change from what is he worth...to we didnt get enough for him or wow we got to much
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 06:22 PM

Age before Beauty Goat Cheese....

St.Louis is still a premeir player in this league, he is definately an upgrade over Booth and Malone can play on either line and is a big-body presence. Raymond needs a change of scenery and probably will never hit the 25 goal plateau again. 1 years 1st round pick isnt that much to give up considering we have 3 top forwards in Kassian,Jensen and Schroeder making their way up, not to mention Sauve and Tanev. Shultz as a BC boy has a chance to sign here which would pay for that loss of a draft pick 10x over.


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