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#1 jonnycanuck46

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:40 AM

While I am not basing anything on the following video, I found it intriguing to figure out who the "core" really is. While Daniel Sedin is a core player, I have come to the conclusion that these two guys define what we think of when we think "Canuck".

Henrik is obviously the better off-ice guy between him and Daniel, and he seems more optimistic. Bieksa seems to always provide a laugh, and is quietly relied upon to be the media guy and the main comedian. Not only that, but Kevin provides the leadership, grit and determination. Whenever there has been a line brawl or anything, Juice is always there and I always find myself cheering him on. There is so many reasons why these two are the core guys.

the next closest two are Daniel and Burrows, followed by Kesler, who has taken a huge hit this season due to a) productivity and B) his bad attitude coming to light.

All in all, Henrik and Bieksa are #1 and Daniel and Burrows are #1a.


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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:45 AM

I am a huge Bieksa fan, he is one of the players who brought me from liking the canucks to loving them so I have to agree with this

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:47 AM

Being funny makes Bieksa a core player?

Okay.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:58 AM

hahaha bieksa. :lol:

sedins/burr/beast mode kes are the core of our team. Hammer is the core of our D. Hamhuis just covers up for all of Bieksa's nonsense. Oh yeah, the goalies too! If we didn't have Luongo, not many players would have wanted to sign here. With Luongo, he bailed this team out many times which allowed the sedins, kes and burrows time to mature without as much pressure on them. Instead, Luongo took all of the abuse. Hell, he still takes it.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:07 AM

I think there was a Team 1040 poll awhile ago and the question was
"Who's Jersey Would You Buy" and Bieksa ended up winning it.

(Its just kind of funny because of all the trade rumours and how it was 2 seasons ago he was the escape goat)

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:21 AM

Bieksa is no scrub. He was 2nd among all defensemen in the entire NHL in even-strength points - only Karlsson had more.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:44 AM

The amount of sentiment going on here at CDC is pathetic. Take your Kenny-G cassette tape, your scented candles, and your Kleenex box out of here.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:58 AM

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I think there was a Team 1040 poll awhile ago and the question was
"Who's Jersey Would You Buy" and Bieksa ended up winning it.

(Its just kind of funny because of all the trade rumours and how it was 2 seasons ago he was the escape goat)


Edited by Captain Hindsight, 22 May 2012 - 10:58 AM.


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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:59 AM

hahaha bieksa. :lol:

sedins/burr/beast mode kes are the core of our team. Hammer is the core of our D. Hamhuis just covers up for all of Bieksa's nonsense. Oh yeah, the goalies too! If we didn't have Luongo, not many players would have wanted to sign here. With Luongo, he bailed this team out many times which allowed the sedins, kes and burrows time to mature without as much pressure on them. Instead, Luongo took all of the abuse. Hell, he still takes it.


I'm sorry, but you're sadly mistaken if you think Bieksa isn't a huge part of that dressing room. There is no doubt in my mind he is a leader and that everyone on this team listens when he speaks. He is a big part of our defense on the ice too, regardless of what you may think about him. There's a reason why the media always goes to Bieksa for his input, he's an intelligent guy and he's a really good teammate.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:01 AM

Bieksa gets a lot of flak around here for not being the most solid defenseman, and Hamhuis has to cover his mistakes a lot. That's true.

But he has a lot of heart, he sticks up for his teammates, and he is probably one of the better offensive defensemen in the league (at least on the OFFENSE side of things)

People also fail to consider that he's been coached to take chances because of his offensive upside, which can turn ugly when there is a turnover. Still, he's told to take those chances at his discretion. Of course it's going to go wrong sometimes, which is why he is partnered with Hamhuis in the first place, because Hammer is a good enough defenseman to cover for him.

I dunno about him being CORE, but he's definitely not as bad as people make him out to be, and it certainly doesn't hurt that he is excellent in front of the camera. I'd rather watch an interview with Bieksa over anyone else in the league any day, because those canned responses everyone else gives are so tiresome.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:04 AM

I'm sorry, but you're sadly mistaken if you think Bieksa isn't a huge part of that dressing room. There is no doubt in my mind he is a leader and that everyone on this team listens when he speaks. He is a big part of our defense on the ice too, regardless of what you may think about him. There's a reason why the media always goes to Bieksa for his input, he's an intelligent guy and he's a really good teammate.


He's a great leader for this team, but he shouldn't be relied upon as a top pairing d-man.


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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:23 AM

He's a great leader for this team, but he shouldn't be relied upon as a top pairing d-man.


This thread is about the leadership and core of this team not who the best top pairing D man is, in that regard i would put Hamhuis above Bieksa on the talent chart. But that doesn't mean Hamhuis is more respected than Bieksa in the dressing room, or that it makes him a bigger part of our core.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:36 AM

Bieksa is an ALPHA dude. That's what puts him at the core.

He is relaxed, confident, and genuine, because he would have realised this at an early age.

He would have been a leader in any walk of life. Much of his popularity comes from being the guy the fans would want as their best mate, their big brother, their boyfriend (if you're a female.....or maybe even for some guys) or husband.

These types also attract animosity from wannabes and people with a chip on their shoulder because they are envious of their popularity and strength of character. We are lucky to have him here I would say.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:37 AM

Lol johnycanuck needs to get out of his parents basement. You know Kesler has always been known as grumpy or cocky or wateva. Just ask the media. People like him for how he plays on ice his style not his attitude

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:48 AM

This thread is about the leadership and core of this team not who the best top pairing D man is, in that regard i would put Hamhuis above Bieksa on the talent chart. But that doesn't mean Hamhuis is more respected than Bieksa in the dressing room, or that it makes him a bigger part of our core.


In a thread about the 'core', talent level has to be considered.


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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:02 PM

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:03 PM

In a thread about the 'core', talent level has to be considered.


You cannot tell me you think Bieksa is untalented. He's no superstar maybe, but he is an excellent player. Just maybe not an excellent defenseman.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:09 PM

Bieksa's 23 million, 5 year, full no trade clause contract says he is part of the core.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:32 PM

(Its just kind of funny because of all the trade rumours and how it was 2 seasons ago he was the escape goat)


That led me to find this...

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:32 PM

In a thread about the 'core', talent level has to be considered.


Are you saying Bieksa isn't talented?

He may not have the defensive prowess that Hamhuis has, nor the offensive powerplay specialist that Ehrhoff was. But he more than makes up for that with a different kind of talent, his toughness, his grit, his ability to fight, hit and stick up for teammates, plus he's no slouch in getting points.

Sure he has mental defensive lapses from time to time, he has had some freak injuries etc. But what player doesn't? His upside more than makes up for his deficiencies.

I'm not saying just because Bieksa is a good guy that it puts him atop the core of this team, but the talent/leadership qualities he has definitely does. Aaron Rome might be a good guy, but you won't see me saying he's a big part of leadership on this team.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:36 PM

Are you saying Bieksa isn't talented?

He may not have the defensive prowess that Hamhuis has, nor the offensive powerplay specialist that Ehrhoff was. But he more than makes up for that with a different kind of talent, his toughness, his grit, his ability to fight, hit and stick up for teammates, plus he's no slouch in getting points.

Sure he has mental defensive lapses from time to time, he has had some freak injuries etc. But what player doesn't? His upside more than makes up for his deficiencies.

I'm not saying just because Bieksa is a good guy that it puts him atop the core of this team, but the talent/leadership qualities he has definitely does. Aaron Rome might be a good guy, but you won't see me saying he's a big part of leadership on this team.


He has talent, but he's not a consistent player. When I think of a 'core' player I think of someone that would we would sorely miss if they left. In Bieksa's case, I think there are plenty of players out there that can replace what he does on the ice. ( I just really want Weber on our team. :( ) Take away a healthy Kesler and we'll never win a stanley cup. Take away the Sedins and we're nothing. Take away Bieksa and replace him with a semi-decent player? Doable. Hell, Ballard played better than him during the playoffs. I mainly blame AV.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:37 PM

I guess not so surprising...I'll agree.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:38 PM

He has talent, but he's not a consistent player. When I think of a 'core' player I think of someone that would we would sorely miss if they left. In Bieksa's case, I think there are plenty of players out there that can replace what he does on the ice. ( I just really want Weber on our team. :( )


Believe me...if we were getting beat on....you'd miss kevin. He's the only true tough guy we have.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:41 PM

Bieksa's 23 million, 5 year, full no trade clause contract says he is part of the core.


And what about Luongo's contract? :lol:

Believe me...if we were getting beat on....you'd miss kevin. He's the only true tough guy we have.


Like when Dustin Brown obliterated Henrik Sedin with a fairly clean check? Clean or not that's our captain and he looked in trouble. Bieksa just tackled Brown. He should have beat the living daylights out of him. Don't even get me started on Marchand. I think it's more of our coaching staff telling these guys not to fight.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:43 PM

He has talent, but he's not a consistent player. When I think of a 'core' player I think of someone that would we would sorely miss if they left. In Bieksa's case, I think there are plenty of players out there that can replace what he does on the ice. ( I just really want Weber on our team. :( )


Honestly the team would probably really miss Bieksa, the fans though? I'm not sure, probably because they haven't been in the dressing room or maybe don't watch a lot of interviews where they can see that Bieksa is truly a really big leader and great personality. I know i'd miss him.

I want Weber too, but trading for him this year would be risky. There would have to be a guarantee he would sign with us. But getting Weber doesn't mean we have to give up Bieksa. Edler in a package deal would be more realistic.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 12:51 PM

Bieksa's 23 million, 5 year, full no trade clause contract says he is part of the core.


Yeah,that is what Luongo was peddled as for years.

Ballard outplayed Bieksa and comes with a similar payday.

Ballard actually fought in the few games AV let him play in.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:08 PM

I would call this "leadership core", and I loved Bieksa's comment giving me a good laugh "you look like Dan Murphy". :D
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:12 PM

There are a few "signs" I look for that indicate whether it's worth discussing something with a poster. One of them is if they think Ballard is as good (or even better) than Bieksa.

There is only one time since he's got here that Ballard has had to face the type of minutes and opponents that Bieksa has to on a regular basis - that was game 4 in Boston.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:19 PM

There are a few "signs" I look for that indicate whether it's worth discussing something with a poster. One of them is if they think Ballard is as good (or even better) than Bieksa.

There is only one time since he's got here that Ballard has had to face the type of minutes and opponents that Bieksa has to on a regular basis - that was game 4 in Boston.


Hard to judge a player when the coach sits him in the pressbox for a large majority of the season (last season). Throw him in the SCF when our team already looks like crap without Hammer and with all of that stanley cup pressure and Luongo falling apart? Can't expect too much from him, especially with the leash that AV had on him. He was given no chance to succeed that season with AV as coach. He did look better than Bieksa in these most recent playoffs, but I guess that has more to do with AV/coaching staff repeatedly throwing Bieksa out there with his injury. Really makes you wonder what's going through their heads.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:21 PM

Some of you guys are such effing morons. You think the core of a team is all about the points.

Give your head out of your butts and go have a beer with Ryan Callahan.
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