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[Confirmed] Alain Vigneault's Contract Extended By 2 Years


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#121 DeNiro

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 02:51 PM

Under AV the Canucks also:
- Barely beat Dallas in 07.
- Had a 8 game winless streak in 09.
- Loss to Chicago 2 straight years in the playoffs.
- Let a 3-0 series lead vanished against the same Blackhawks.
- Had a 2-0 series lead in the SCF slip away.


-Barely beat Dallas because we had a crappy team in 06/07....The only reason we made the playoffs that year was because of Luongo and AV's defensive style of play.

-We had an 8 game winless streak followed by a 20-5-1 streak to help finish out the season. But of course AV gets blamed for the losing, and doesn't get credit for that dominant stretch.

-We lost to a better team in the Blackhawks. Canucks fans can't seem to admit that though.

-Lost a 3-0 lead because of Luongo not being able to win in Chicago. We still came back and played amazing in game 7 and won.

-Injuries are all that need to be said for the last point. No Hamhuis = No cup.

You really need to let it go though, you're just making Canucks fans look bad.

Edited by DeNiro, 23 May 2012 - 02:54 PM.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 02:51 PM

Uh oh, here's more ammunition for the Alain Vigneault haters.

AV said in his conference call that he expected Daniel Sedin would be ready for Game 1 and planned for him to be in the lineup. Hence the reason the Canucks came out flat.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 02:54 PM

Ron Wilson got a contract extension too.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 02:55 PM

Why do people hate on AV?

I guess you don't give a $#!^ about AV having the most wins by a Canucks coach?

Or that he got the team to the Stanley Cup Finals even though most of them were injured by the end of the second round?

There's many more things he's done that you probably haven't even noticed because you've only seen the bad things he's done.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 02:56 PM

Uh oh, here's more ammunition for the Alain Vigneault haters.

AV said in his conference call that he expected Daniel Sedin would be ready for Game 1 and planned for him to be in the lineup. Hence the reason the Canucks came out flat.


It's true, but he shouldn't have said that.

Daniel did seem like he would be back by all accounts, then he had a setback. It's not the reason they lost though.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:01 PM

Ron Wilson got a contract extension too.

Except Mike Gillis and Alain Vigneault have the same vision of what the team should be. Brian Burke wanted a Boston Bruins type of team. Ron Wilson wanted a Detroit Red Wings type of team.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:01 PM

this is our year. they're coming out of the gates with a bang


We said patiently for the 42nd time.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:02 PM

Uh oh, here's more ammunition for the Alain Vigneault haters.

AV said in his conference call that he expected Daniel Sedin would be ready for Game 1 and planned for him to be in the lineup. Hence the reason the Canucks came out flat.


That's a great attitude. "Okay boys, Daniel won't be playing so we're going to throw the game".
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Untouchables: Tanev, Jensen, Kassian
Mostly untouchable: Sedins (need someone to man the fort and no trade value)
Open to trade: Everyone else
Drive to airport: Bieksa, Edler

Bring back: Ehrhoff

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:02 PM

It's up to the coach to come up with a game plan and system to match up against the other team. If all the coach does is say "go hit them guys", then you just have a bunch of cowboys doing what they feel like. Look at New Jersey, they re-adapted their gameplay in all their playoff series. Super disciplined against Philly, burn them on the powerplay. Changing offensive strategies against New York by focusing on softer shots and using deflections.

It's pretty short-sighted to affix New Jersey's recent success to a few tweaks by their coach. Kinda more complicated than that. That being said, they can easily lose to the Rangers. What then? Torts is the guy? Well he was there too when the Rangers stunk. What changed was the mix of players.

It's up to Gillis now to get us the players we need. From within or through trade or free agency. Far more important than anything AV or another coach will bring. Cheers.


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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:02 PM

Except Mike Gillis and Alain Vigneault have the same vision of what the team should be. Brian Burke wanted a Boston Bruins type of team. Ron Wilson wanted a Detroit Red Wings type of team.


So they settled on a Columbus style of team. :bigblush:
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:03 PM

Uh oh, here's more ammunition for the Alain Vigneault haters.

AV said in his conference call that he expected Daniel Sedin would be ready for Game 1 and planned for him to be in the lineup. Hence the reason the Canucks came out flat.


Yup, didn't even cross his mind. Terrible preparation by this idiot. Hey, AMEX is in beast mode, but i have to make sure our 3rd line is a defensive beast just to stick it to hodgson and justify us trading him. AMEX is killing it and the players have said how much they like playing with Higgins in interviews, but let's keep them on different lines so they have absolutely no ???? confidence and rhythm going into the playoffs. I believe AMEX could have carried us for a bit during that first round if AV had given them some time together as the regular season winded down. He deserves blame for this.

Edited by The Brahma Bull, 23 May 2012 - 03:04 PM.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:05 PM

Prospects?

:bigblush:

Back to topic; I like AV, glad he's back.

I don't buy into having to sign a guy when he is in his last year. Objectively, you should always do a credible job. Same with the players. Give the coach direction, watch him execute & still deliver results = new contract. I also would not have had a problem having him work into the last year of his current deal.

Direction from; give Kassian 12 minutes a game, or tell me to send him to Chicago. Nothing inbetween.

Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
Have to kiss the prospects good bye now.


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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:09 PM

It's pretty short-sighted to affix New Jersey's recent success to a few tweaks by their coach. Kinda more complicated than that. That being said, they can easily lose to the Rangers. What then? Torts is the guy? Well he was there too when the Rangers stunk. What changed was the mix of players.

It's up to Gillis now to get us the players we need. From within or through trade or free agency. Far more important than anything AV or another coach will bring. Cheers.


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Well at least New Jersey is trying something different to win the game. Ottawa and Washington both tried to beat the Rangers at their own game, but one problem, they don't have Lundquist in the net.

As the old saying goes, the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. So if injured shoulder Kesler hasn't scored in the last 10 games, giving him 22 mins a game isn't going to help him light it up.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:09 PM

He needs to let the kids learn from their mistakes when they are playing on the team. Not one mistake and bench their ass to the pine. It is the regular season where you have to learn to put trust in your players and hope they are able to prove you wrong.

How many times have we heard the likes of players like Kesler say it's all about confidence? Crushing a kid's confidence after one mistake is not a great way to help build their confidence in being a better player.


This is very true and I think the best example of how to do it is Torts/Kreider. The kid hasn't even played one game in regular season and was given a lot of responsibility in the playoffs. He had a couple of really cringeworthy mishaps, but he also has 3 goals and 1 assist in the current series. And they were really deciding goals whether on the scoresheet or in momentum swings. Were this AV, Kreider would have been benched for the rest of the playoffs after his first brain fart with no chance to redeem himself.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:09 PM

no real surprise there.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:10 PM

AV seems way too happy in this radio interview.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:16 PM

He needs to let the kids learn from their mistakes when they are playing on the team. Not one mistake and bench their ass to the pine. It is the regular season where you have to learn to put trust in your players and hope they are able to prove you wrong.

How many times have we heard the likes of players like Kesler say it's all about confidence? Crushing a kid's confidence after one mistake is not a great way to help build their confidence in being a better player.


It's not about "one mistake". It's about indifferent back checking, weak defensive zone play, and BIG mistakes. Play hard BOTH directions and you will get your ice time. If you're "crushed" by getting it from the boss you need to find a new job. Do your job well and get rewarded. Don't...well there's somebody waiting to replace you.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:16 PM

AV: "I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. I've got a real great vote of confidence. . . and I don't intend to let anybody down."
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:17 PM

AV seems way too happy in this radio interview.

AV seems way too happy in this radio interview.


Why wouldn't he be happy? He wants to coach here.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:20 PM

It's not about "one mistake". It's about indifferent back checking, weak defensive zone play, and BIG mistakes. Play hard BOTH directions and you will get your ice time. If you're "crushed" by getting it from the boss you need to find a new job. Do your job well and get rewarded. Don't...well there's somebody waiting to replace you.


Yep, that's real life.

Funny how on the one hand everyone wants AV to give all of our prospects a chance, and then on the other hand people complain about how they're not close to being ready.

Well if the average fan can see that non of our prospects are ready, then don't you think that the coach can see that?
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:24 PM

Prepare for maybe another Pres Trophy, but definitely no Cup. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting different results. This is also the definition of a losing team.

Flame and defend all you want, but I guarantee you this will be the result. And I'm not a "hater" nor will I go and cheer for another team or whatever the bright ones suggest here. But I am a hockey fan and do like watching many other teams, so while the Canucks will hopefully provide some inspiring hockey during the regular season that I may even attend, once the playoffs come around I will look to my other favorite teams to get the job done.

With that said, just because he got an extension, doesn't mean he still can't get fired if the team performs very poorly mid season.  Wilson got an extension at New Year's just to be fired a few months later, so anything is possible really.



Ah yes, yet another of CDC's resident "Kreskins" sticking his neck waaaaayyyy out, predicting the demise of the Canucks for the next season. All so he can bring up this post and say "I told you so" in the event the Canucks are unable to win it all next season.

In the event that the team manages to beat the odds and triumph over the other 15 excellent hockey teams that make the postseason every year, he can just disappear and pretend that he never made the post.

What really makes me laugh are the half dozen or so clairvoyants who had the balls to come out after last season's loss and brag about how "right" they were.

If any of you coaching experts had come out and predicted a Darryl Sutter Cup win at the beginning of this season, then I'd be impressed.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:26 PM

-Barely beat Dallas because we had a crappy team in 06/07....The only reason we made the playoffs that year was because of Luongo and AV's defensive style of play.


yeah, and he won best coach of year that yr too.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:26 PM

Yea we had a young guy by the name of Cody Hodgson. Not once did he centre a line with Kesler.


Maybe because Kesler is a center himself?
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:28 PM

This is very true and I think the best example of how to do it is Torts/Kreider. The kid hasn't even played one game in regular season and was given a lot of responsibility in the playoffs. He had a couple of really cringeworthy mishaps, but he also has 3 goals and 1 assist in the current series. And they were really deciding goals whether on the scoresheet or in momentum swings. Were this AV, Kreider would have been benched for the rest of the playoffs after his first brain fart with no chance to redeem himself.


Oh. Sort of like how he benched Tanev after one mistake, is that about it?
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:29 PM

-Barely beat Dallas because we had a crappy team in 06/07....The only reason we made the playoffs that year was because of Luongo and AV's defensive style of play.

-We had an 8 game winless streak followed by a 20-5-1 streak to help finish out the season. But of course AV gets blamed for the losing, and doesn't get credit for that dominant stretch.

-We lost to a better team in the Blackhawks. Canucks fans can't seem to admit that though.

-Lost a 3-0 lead because of Luongo not being able to win in Chicago. We still came back and played amazing in game 7 and won.

-Injuries are all that need to be said for the last point. No Hamhuis = No cup.

You really need to let it go though, you're just making Canucks fans look bad.


- We didn't have a crappy team in 07, we were 3rd in the conference and broke the franchise's record for most wins in a season. That wasn't due to AV been a great coach. Luongo had his best season that year, that ultimately won the Jack Adams for him.

- If it weren't for Burrows' late short handed goal, we could have went 9 games and that might have been AV's last straw.

- You say the Blackhawks were the better team, but imo, we matchup'd pretty even. We definately had the better goaltending, then the Hawks both years.

- Let's be honest, the only reason we were up 3-0 in the series, is because Chicago didn't have Bolland in the lineup for the first 3 games or else this would have been another early round exit against the Hawks.

- Injuries are no excuse, if Hamhuis wasn't able to play in the finals, why on earth would you put a raw rookie out there (Tanev) over an 5 yrs veteran (Ballard) in the most important game of the season? That's pretty bad coaching.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:29 PM

Maybe because Kesler is a center himself?


Should've drafted Tyler Myers!

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:30 PM

we almost had you Alain......so close

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:31 PM

Why wouldn't he be happy? He wants to coach here.


Then make us want him to coach for us.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:31 PM

I love seeing the mixed responses.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:32 PM

Wonder how you lover feels that you cant decide what team to bat for?

:P :bigblush:

Honestly, its obvious that your just a critic here on CDC. I cant recall ever seeing you post anything other than cutting down other opinions. No surprise your not committed to the team, but thanx for coming along for the ride!

Creative facepalm you have there. I grew up watching about 5 teams that I liked equally, so I guess that means I am cheering for all of them and the only time I really have to wonder is if they are playing each other, which hasn't happened yet. You watch because you care about the players? Well then, there were plenty of people here who questioned their loyalty if one of their favorite players would get traded, but they too got flamed because hey, you don't stop cheering for a team just because a couple of players you like leave. So if you don't cheer because of the coach or the players, what the hell do you cheer for? The logo? Big deal.

As for this loyalty thing, I am responsible for loyalty to my lover, my family, my friends, my boss. In that order. Hockey is a great past time, as are many sports and activities, but don't make it out to be something bigger than it really is.


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