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2012-13 Youth Movement ....just For The Start Of The Season, While Kesler Heals


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#1 shawn antoski

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 04:09 PM

Couple of reasons why I think we should give are prospects a chance to start the season with the team.

- Keslers replacement is not going to come via a trade or a free agent. Who ever steps up to help fill that void is going to have to be from within the organisation. Schroeder has the potential to be a 2nd line center, so why not give him a shot at it for the first month while Kesler is out.

-Kassian should not be playing in the AHL next season, hes NHL ready , hes big, can hit, and he can skate, playing in the NHL will help him develop his game better then the AHL.

-Jensen is the wild card, out of the forwards, hes the youngest out of the bunch, but hes the favorite to make it among NHL scouts. If the scouts believe hes are best prospect right now, I want too see what he's got.

-When it comes to defencemen , I think we should have Gragnani or Tanev alternating out the the bottom 2. With so many young guys starting at forward the Canucks are better off having more veterans playing D.

- One of AV's biggest criticisms is not giving prospects any playing time. With his new contract freshly signed maybe it will help get some critics off his back if he did let them start the first 15 games or so.

-The start of the season is the best time to be experimenting, it leaves room for them to catch up if there experiment doesn't go well. Besides teams like the Oilers and the Laughs are usually the best teams to start the season anyways. It usually takes teams about 3 months to settle down and figure each other out.

-The NHL is getting younger and younger, season after season, the Canucks are not following that trend. Now in days in the cap era, teams need young players with cheap contracts that are able to play at high levels. Hawks won that way , the Bruins too, and Philly was so stacked this year because of all there young guys low salaries(this offseason will be an interesting one for them).

- Who knows we may have the next Sean Couturier, Adam Henrique, or Carl Hagelin already in are system.

-All I'm saying is at least give are prospects a real chance to shine in the NHL during the first 15 games or so.


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Here is a lineup i wouldn't mind seeing to start the season

or at least until the Luongo(maybe Schneider) trade happens and when Kesler comes back


- My main reason to let the kids play........ KEEP LUONGO AND SCHNEIDER..... 1 more year as a tandem, keeping them together gives us are best shot at winning Lord Stanley.....

-If not the whole season, keep both of them untill the goalie market really heats up, teams usually know they have goaltending issues when its closer to the all star break. Right now the market is kinda cold especially with Lu's limited no trade clause.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) /-------- Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / ---------Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) /-------- Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m) /--- Chris Higgins ($1.900m)
Jannik Hansen ($1.350m) / -----Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) /------ Nicklas Jensen ($0.894m)
Jordin Tootoo ($1.750m) / ------Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) /------- Zack Kassian ($0.870m)

Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.800m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) /------------ Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Sami Salo ($2.000m) /---------------- Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Jason Garrison ($4.000m) /--------- Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Marc-Andre Gragnani ($1.150m) /

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Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Cory Schneider ($3.250m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,522,500; BONUSES: $125,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster):- $222,500

Ballard Raymond Alberts can be traded for anything
Sign Lack, Ebbett, Volpatti and Weise 2 way

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 04:17 PM

I really hope Jensen and schroder get there 9 games at least...

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 04:19 PM

How's Jensen's recovery from his season-ending concussion going? Good, i hope.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 04:32 PM

Kassian and Jensen are both AHL ready. That is all

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 04:42 PM

Kassian and Jensen are both AHL ready. That is all


Jensen can't play in the AHL

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 04:52 PM

Jensen can't play in the AHL


2011-12 Jensen cant play Ahl or Nhl

2012-13 Jensen can play Ahl or Nhl

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 05:25 PM

good luck with the $222,500 cap space when kesler comes back

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 05:27 PM

Why would you want a scumbag like Tootoo on the roster?

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 05:32 PM

i really want kassian to rip it up... but i think he is much too defensively weak. canucks are a team built on team defence, and with AV's extension, that won't be changing anytime soon.

gragnani deserves another look... his offensive numbers in lower leagues have been amazing - but will he be given a shot to play without a leash? i guess we'll see, but i think he is a potential wildcard for us, especially if salo 's career is done.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 05:42 PM

2011-12 Jensen cant play Ahl or Nhl

2012-13 Jensen can play Ahl or Nhl

that is incorrect the player hast to be 20 yeas of age to play in the ahl if he is from the Canadian hockey league and Jensen is only going to be 19 in the 2012-2013 season.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 06:27 PM

Prust instead of Tootoo.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 06:33 PM

good luck with the $222,500 cap space when kesler comes back


-salary cap is expected to go up to 66 million
- Gillman is a capologist, he done amazing things with the cap over the years, especially the 2010-11 season, the canucks actual salary paid was something like 10 million over the cap

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 06:43 PM

Why would you want a scumbag like Tootoo on the roster?

Prust instead of Tootoo.


- NYR is keeping Prust they wont let him go, and he has no reason to leave.... its not like we can afford to over pay him,

-I think tootoo has really matured over the last couple of seasons, and is best hockey is yet to come. The Canucks organization is perfect environment for him to succeed . Tootoo would be a very smart investment for the Aquilini family. The jersey sales alone would be worth it. BC's aboriginal community would love Tootoo see Tootoo here.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 06:49 PM

i really want kassian to rip it up... but i think he is much too defensively weak. canucks are a team built on team defence, and with AV's extension, that won't be changing anytime soon.

gragnani deserves another look... his offensive numbers in lower leagues have been amazing - but will he be given a shot to play without a leash? i guess we'll see, but i think he is a potential wildcard for us, especially if salo 's career is done.


You seriously pick at kassians defensive play during his short exposure, state the Canucks are a defense first team and then suggest gragnani the most defensively irresponsible player on the team as a future replacement for salo?!?!?!?

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 07:00 PM

You seriously pick at kassians defensive play during his short exposure, state the Canucks are a defense first team and then suggest gragnani the most defensively irresponsible player on the team as a future replacement for salo?!?!?!?

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:14 PM

Did you not see that AV just got extended?

Any hopes of developing rookies can be stopped now.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:27 PM

i say it works for the forwards, only tanev for the d.

malholtra and salo are question marks.

malholtra might work - hope he does, but he shies away from the tough areas now, can't see him being anything but a healthy scratch / 4th line faceoff specialist. kind of F3dks up the 4th line with him jumping on and off the ice, that's for sure. weird.

would love salo to stay, but he really started slowing down. he needs to be on the 3rd pairing.

ballard: he showed signs of being a solid player. but the team really needs someone to play with edler in the top 4. is it ballard? probably not. i can see garrison coming in and replacing salo in top 4, which might kick edler into shape. that leaves tanev and salo and ballard for the 5,6,7 d-men. i would play tanev and ballard. let sami spot in 10 min a game and be fresh for playoffs?

is schroeder too small? probably, and if so is a waste of a pick... Jensen might really work though. I think this organization took 4 years to realize that it can draft skill, speed AND size. And rightly so, if the rules didn't change again, size wouldn't matter. But welcome to the new nhl again, gladiator sport sort of..

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 09:04 PM

You seriously pick at kassians defensive play during his short exposure, state the Canucks are a defense first team and then suggest gragnani the most defensively irresponsible player on the team as a future replacement for salo?!?!?!?

Gnarly.


yeah thats right - i pick at the guy playing 4th line, who has been a positive player once in his career... and i want to see the defenceman who has put up about the same amount of points in a league considered better than the OHL by everyone...

thats right... the guy with no AHL experience is who i'm less willing to gamble on... versus the defenseman who really doesnt have much more to prove in the AHL

you've heard of the eddie shore award right?

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 09:20 PM

i disagree, with all due respect.

we don't need one dimensional players like konopka or tootoo. that's not our identity. if you are proposing to do a complete makeover of the philosophy of the team, i.e. puck possession game based on speed and skill, that's not going to work.

also edler can only play the left side of the D. same for hamhuis. bieksa is much better on the right side.

kassian should play more minutes than 4th line if we care about his development. if kassian comes to camp improved as we expect him to, hopefully he can start playing some meaningful minutes with the sedins. need a big body with the sedins.

the absolute ideal situation would be to have kassian and jensen develop fast and make the team in my opinion.

daniel - henrik - kassian
booth - kesler - jensen
higgins - schroeder - burrows
malhotra - lapierre - hansen

we all know AV will change up the RW all over the line up, but that would be a good starting place.

Defensemen next season would absolutely change if Justin Schultz were to choose the nucks. So let's wait until what happens with him first.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 09:36 PM

yeah thats right - i pick at the guy playing 4th line, who has been a positive player once in his career... and i want to see the defenceman who has put up about the same amount of points in a league considered better than the OHL by everyone...

thats right... the guy with no AHL experience is who i'm less willing to gamble on... versus the defenseman who really doesnt have much more to prove in the AHL

you've heard of the eddie shore award right?

Gnarly... now get on your knees


You mad?

And what kinda good is hypothetical NHL point tallying when as a dman you can't do your first job which is stop point tallying.......which so far, is what gragnani has shown.

Not hating on gragnani nor hyping Kassian just basing judgement on sample shown for both players.

And really, "get on your knees" do you think comments like that add cred?

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 09:38 PM

Garrison for 4 mil? :sick:

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:11 PM

People who want to trade one overpriced defensemen who enjoyed success in Florida when given ample opportunity... Just to sign another one... :picard:

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:28 PM

2011-12 Jensen cant play Ahl or Nhl

2012-13 Jensen can play Ahl or Nhl


No.

2011/12 Jensen can't play in the AHL
2011/12 Jensen can play in the NHL

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:33 PM

I really hope Jensen and schroder get there 9 games at least...


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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:35 PM

Did you not see that AV just got extended?

Any hopes of developing rookies can be stopped now.

kthxbye


You beat me to it! Agree 100% unless something or someone changes his approach to rookies.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:38 PM

For some reason, I Don't like David Booth. I just don't think he's the right fit here. We need to actually get a top 6 forward who can score, PASS and hit. Someone like Jordan Staal. I think Booth, Ballard, 1st would get it done. Booth IMO is a good player, but much like Ballard, he just doesn't fit on this team.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
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Moen-Malhotra-Kassian

With Kesler:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
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Malhotra-Lapierre-Moen

Sign Gaustad and Moen. Bring up Jensen.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 11:13 PM

Couple of reasons why I think we should give are prospects a chance to start the season with the team.

- Keslers replacement is not going to come via a trade or a free agent. Who ever steps up to help fill that void is going to have to be from within the organisation. Schroeder has the potential to be a 2nd line center, so why not give him a shot at it for the first month while Kesler is out.

-Kassian should not be playing in the AHL next season, hes NHL ready , hes big, can hit, and he can skate, playing in the NHL will help him develop his game better then the AHL.

-Jensen is the wild card, out of the forwards, hes the youngest out of the bunch, but hes the favorite to make it among NHL scouts. If the scouts believe hes are best prospect right now, I want too see what he's got.

-When it comes to defencemen , I think we should have Gragnani or Tanev alternating out the the bottom 2. With so many young guys starting at forward the Canucks are better off having more veterans playing D.

- One of AV's biggest criticisms is not giving prospects any playing time. With his new contract freshly signed maybe it will help get some critics off his back if he did let them start the first 15 games or so.

-The start of the season is the best time to be experimenting, it leaves room for them to catch up if there experiment doesn't go well. Besides teams like the Oilers and the Laughs are usually the best teams to start the season anyways. It usually takes teams about 3 months to settle down and figure each other out.

-The NHL is getting younger and younger, season after season, the Canucks are not following that trend. Now in days in the cap era, teams need young players with cheap contracts that are able to play at high levels. Hawks won that way , the Bruins too, and Philly was so stacked this year because of all there young guys low salaries(this offseason will be an interesting one for them).

- Who knows we may have the next Sean Couturier, Adam Henrique, or Carl Hagelin already in are system.

-All I'm saying is at least give are prospects a real chance to shine in the NHL during the first 15 games or so.


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Here is a lineup i wouldn't mind seeing to start the season

or at least until the Luongo(maybe Schneider) trade happens and when Kesler comes back


- My main reason to let the kids play........ KEEP LUONGO AND SCHNEIDER..... 1 more year as a tandem, keeping them together gives us are best shot at winning Lord Stanley.....

-If not the whole season, keep both of them untill the goalie market really heats up, teams usually know they have goaltending issues when its closer to the all star break. Right now the market is kinda cold especially with Lu's limited no trade clause.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) /-------- Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / ---------Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) /-------- Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m) /--- Chris Higgins ($1.900m)
Jannik Hansen ($1.350m) / -----Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) /------ Nicklas Jensen ($0.894m)
Jordin Tootoo ($1.750m) / ------Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) /------- Zack Kassian ($0.870m)

Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.800m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) /------------ Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Sami Salo ($2.000m) /---------------- Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Jason Garrison ($4.000m) /--------- Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Marc-Andre Gragnani ($1.150m) /

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
Cory Schneider ($3.250m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,522,500; BONUSES: $125,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster):- $222,500

Ballard Raymond Alberts can be traded for anything
Sign Lack, Ebbett, Volpatti and Weise 2 way


Im sorry, did you say that Kassian will develop in the NHL more than the AHL? Lets see....Kassian on the 4th line.....AV is terrible with prospects....Kassian gets 3 minutes a game....... = :picard:. Im pretty sure Kassian would get more than 3-5 minutes a game in the AHL..

Edited by TwinTelepathy, 23 May 2012 - 11:14 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2012 - 11:16 PM

Garrison for 4 mil? :sick:


LOL Why are people soo hyped about a player that has had only ONE good season under his belt? Vancouverites make me laugh.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 01:14 AM

There, their, and they're. Learn the difference.


you clearly understood what he wrote... so whats your point?

hes not getting marked for this is he or something?

come on lol.. uh oh i wrote lol and forgot to capitalize my i

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:14 AM

Im sorry, did you say that Kassian will develop in the NHL more than the AHL? Lets see....Kassian on the 4th line.....AV is terrible with prospects....Kassian gets 3 minutes a game....... = :picard:. Im pretty sure Kassian would get more than 3-5 minutes a game in the AHL..


I don't think it's a facepalm at all....I'm fully expecting Kassian to make the team next season and continue his progress......




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