(Vancouver Sun Article) Vigneault ‘Didn't Mean What He Said’ On Luongo Trade Request

[oldnews]

The funny thing about the conventional or in-the-box logic that a team shouldn't spend 8 or 9 million on goaltending when only one goaltender can play at a time is that, for example, the Canucks had 15.2 million dollars in cap tied up in centers last year (Hank 6.1, Kesler 5, Pahlsson 2.6, Malhotra 2.5 - 16.2 if you include Lapierre) when generally only one center plays at a time.

Likewise, you generally only ice a pair of defensemen at any given time, but the Canucks had over 21 million in cap hit on the blueline.... the same applies when you look at wingers.

Schneider played over 1833 minutes as a "backup" - if you average that over 82 games, he played more than a skater who averaged 22 minutes of ice time...

I personally don't care what conventional thinking says - if the best option for the Canucks is to keep the tandem, at least in the short run, then really, 9 million at that position is not unthinkable when you put it in context.

[oldnews]

He reminds me of that bumper sticker "everyone is entitled to MY opinion!"

[Bertuzzi Babe]

On Apr 26th - Luongo was reported as having cleared a trade.

Source 1: http://sports.yahoo....-134700505.html

On May 26th - Suddenly the coach misspoke

http://www.vancouver...4024/story.html

- If there was a miscommunication it would have been corrected long ago. Certainly would not have taken a month.

[oldnews]

Attempting to say that Luongo's contract is a "bargain" is mindless. There is only a few of those monster contracts even out there in the NHL now, Vinny etc and you think they are bargains? U

The Canucks situation is a case of some very poor planning. They drafted Schneider with their 1st pick in 2004. Signing Luo to the 4 year deal in 2006 was fine but it was crazy to sign him to the 12 year deal after, that essentially paralyzes the entire goaltending position on the team for a decade.

Instead of keeping Schneider, as they should, as the younger cheaper and strong starter, they are going to lose him and as Luo ages out in the next 2-3 years the Cup window closes.

Tell me now, how this is all brilliant management.

[Banned01]

That's just the thing pimpcurtly - Banned doesn't know what he is talking about - he rarely does, but it never stops him from prattling on and on as if he does....

[Banned01]

You never fail to out-duh yourself - one moment you are facepalming me, the next you suggest that drafting Schneider was bad management....

regarding 'monster' contracts, you are talking through your arse (again)... "there is only a few... even out there in the NHL now..."

there were a handful of new ones just created this past season - Ehrhoff, Brad Richards, Bryzgalov, Doughty... Keith's 13 year deal last year.

here are the 20 longest contracts in the NHL.

in case you need the obvious pointed out to you, two of the top ten - Richards and Carter, were dealt to the Kings this year (who happen to still be playing in the SCF, in case you remember what the playoffs are in Calgary...) Those contracts didn't stop the Flyers from moving them - for Richards - Schenn, Simmonds and a 2nd - for Carter - Vorachek and a first and third round pick - and then again Carter was moved.... Nash likely would have been moved if they didn't expect an entire franchise in return.

[Banned01]

You need to get your timeline in order.......and brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

[Banned01]

The funny thing about the conventional or in-the-box logic that a team shouldn't spend 8 or 9 million on goaltending when only one goaltender can play at a time is that, for example, the Canucks had 15.2 million dollars in cap tied up in centers last year (Hank 6.1, Kesler 5, Pahlsson 2.6, Malhotra 2.5 - 16.2 if you include Lapierre) when generally only one center plays at a time.

Likewise, you generally only ice a pair of defensemen at any given time, but the Canucks had over 21 million in cap hit on the blueline.... the same applies when you look at wingers.

Schneider played over 1833 minutes as a "backup" - if you average that over 82 games, he played more than a skater who averaged 22 minutes of ice time...

I personally don't care what conventional thinking says - if the best option for the Canucks is to keep the tandem, at least in the short run, then really, 9 million at that position is not unthinkable when you put it in context.

[RUPERTKBD]

A lot of Av's defenders cite that he brought the team within one win of cup. However, in that same year they were one goal away from being knocked out in the first round.

[oldnews]

Are the Canucks going to pay 9 million total for goaltending next year? Yes or No - simple question, you think they do, you don't know what you are talking about.

[GHL]

Gillis is a moron he brought back AV. With the way the team played during the playoffs, he clearly has lost the team. He is not as great as a leader that most believe people.

First interview with the media and instead of trying to get fans to support him for next season, he puts Luongo and Kesler under the bus.

That's why with AV we will go nowhere in the playoffs. He is clueless on how to lead a team.

Gillis you moron, you made a horrible horrible horrible mistake.

What was the point of resigning? Why not light a fire under his ass and tell him, either get it done or you are gone. With the way they approached it, here's more money for sucking. It doesn't matter that we lost to an 8th seeded team.

[GHL]

^^^^

(1) You are just so clueless it is funny. You think Schneider is going to sign for 2.7 million Cap hit to get your total of 8 million Cap hit total to Goaltending? Teams will be stumbling to offer sheet the Canucks on that and all the Canucks will get is a 2nd round pick for Schneider at that price.

You are so lost. Give your head a shake. Schneider is at least a 4 million Cap Hit. 3.7 million if you want to put a big bag of whatever you are smoking in your pipe. That STILL adds up to 5.3 + 3.7 = 9 million.

Once again, please listen carefully. The teams that pay the highest Cap total to the Goaltending position, starter and backup are the

Rangers - 7.75 million

Flyers - 7.4 million

Canes - 7.25 million

Sabres - 6.925

Wild - 6.75 million.

Let me put it to you another way - 18 teams in the NHL (60%) spend less TOTAL on both their goaltenders than the Canucks do on JUST Luongo at 5.3 million.

Now you are telling me the Canucks are going to allocate 9+ million to Goaltending next year. Plz dude, just stop…

[oldnews]

The Canucks are clearly in a position of strength.

They can sign Schneider to as long a term as both sides see fit - they are in no hurry to move a goaltender - if teams want to posture that they don't want Luongo or make low ball offers, the Canucks just sit back and patiently watch as the few other options available are taken, and the remaining teams continue to flounder without a starter... Why would the Canucks make a hasty move when they are holding the cards? They aren't a team with two goaltenders but lacking depth elsewhere. This talk about needing to sign a 7 million dollar defenseman (the Bouwmeester model?) is ridiculous. They can keep the tandem as long as they want or need to, and at the very least, until they get a suitable offer.

[TOMapleLaughs]

The tricky part is the Luongo trade opportunity will likely be at the draft, while RFA's are usually extended well into the summer. Add in the potential of an offer sheet, and we could in theory lose both goaltenders while getting who knows what in return. Highly doubtful that happens, as we'd likely match, but it could happen if the offer was plainly ridiculous.

Start of the Eddie Lack era? LOL. Cheers.

TOML

[TotesMagotes]

The Canucks are clearly in a position of strength.

They can sign Schneider to as long a term as both sides see fit - they are in no hurry to move a goaltender - if teams want to posture that they don't want Luongo or make low ball offers, the Canucks just sit back and patiently watch as the few other options available are taken, and the remaining teams continue to flounder without a starter... Why would the Canucks make a hasty move when they are holding the cards? They aren't a team with two goaltenders but lacking depth elsewhere. This talk about needing to sign a 7 million dollar defenseman (the Bouwmeester model?) is ridiculous. They can keep the tandem as long as they want or need to, and at the very least, until they get a suitable offer.

[Banned01]

blah blah blah

"oh my god" you are easily the most longwinded poster on CDC - you sure like hearing yourself ramble on and on.

I don't, and as usual, reading your uninformed speculation is a waste of time - you have no idea what MG's intentions are - it is that plain and simple - but I'm sure he will take note that Banned (informed by the Flames model of good management) doesn't think spending proportionate cap money on the most important position is 'bad management'. You reflect your team's thinking - the Flames are a model of what happens when your GMs have a very weak grasp of reality. If the Canucks don't get the right offer, or Lack is not considered NHL-ready, they may very well decide to spend the $8.8. If you think I am the only one who has suggested this is a possibility, you haven't been listening to what MG, the guy who makes the actual decisions, has been saying.

[Banned01]

Actually, arbitration can be filed so as to avoid offer sheets.

$0.900 + 10% = $0.990.

$5.333 + $0.990 = $6.323.

The total salary for next year in fact falls under the above mentioned teams.

[Banned01]

Sure they could hang onto both goalies for as long as they want to, but i doubt they do. Having Schneider as a 1a goalie at

$900 000 cap hit is nice right now. But what if he gets a massive offer sheet this summer? Will having almost 10 M in cap space tied up in our goalies be ideal for this team? Definitely not. The Canucks are in a position of strength, but the longest they can hold onto Schneider is another year, that's IF he doesn't get hit with an offer sheet, which he almost undoubtedly will. But now is when they can get the most in return for him, if they do decide to trade him.

[Banned01]

The Canucks are clearly in a position of strength.

They can sign Schneider to as long a term as both sides see fit - they are in no hurry to move a goaltender - if teams want to posture that they don't want Luongo or make low ball offers, the Canucks just sit back and patiently watch as the few other options available are taken, and the remaining teams continue to flounder without a starter... Why would the Canucks make a hasty move when they are holding the cards? They aren't a team with two goaltenders but lacking depth elsewhere. This talk about needing to sign a 7 million dollar defenseman (the Bouwmeester model?) is ridiculous. They can keep the tandem as long as they want or need to, and at the very least, until they get a suitable offer.

[Baggins]

It is called reading in between the lines.