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#1 Ossi Vaananen

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 11:17 PM

Alright well I appreciate some of the threads dedicated to potential off season moves but a majority of you seem to ignore the potentiality of a cap roll back. I've heard 64 million down to 62 million. At this time we have 17 players on contract for 54 million. This does not include Schneider.

So the first major deal is Schneider, and I hear people hoping for something in the 3-4 mil range, and this seems realistic.

The next move is a second line centre while Kesler is out for up to 2 months to start the season. Once again we need someone in the 3-4 mil range that can put up points and is willing to slot into the third line when Kesler returns. Olli Jokinen comes to mind, but I can hear the eyes role. So please state who you feel could fill this role, possibly Schroeder?

Next is something we haven't really acknowledged since the Ehrhoff departure, that being a defenceman that can play the right side and put up some points. Salo is on his way out and Tanev is on the cusp of making the NHL. In this respect we need a prospect or proven NHLer that can log top 4 minutes playing the right side. At this point we only have Bieksa.
Schenn, Gardiner, Schultz or Garrison come to mind, these players will cost us Luongo or else up to 4 million.

Departures:
Sami Pahlsson - 35, retires or else plays in Sweden. Hard to justify 2.6 million for a guy that scores 4 goals
Mason Raymond - Joins Disney on ice as the fairy from Peter Pan.

Beyond these departures I can't see how else we free up cap space.

So with these propositions and facts I will boil it down to some simple questions for you lazy readers.

Who should slot into the 2nd line spot?
Who do you propose we pick up to play top 4 right side D?
How would you free up cap space to sign key players like Schneider?

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 11:42 PM

lol without even reading your post - i laughed at your name ossi vanannen!! I had high hopes for him!!

For the 2nd line spot - It's gotta be via trade or give shroeder the chance.

For defence I think were done with picking up top 4 guys - we really legitimetly need a top 2

I think that the cap will actually go up - theirs been a bunch of articles and even on here its suppose to go up pretty high so I'm not too sure about that but If we do got to move cap - Luongo could go but we'd get a very bad return if we use him as a salary dump

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 11:43 PM

Lu for Lecavalier

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 11:47 PM

lol without even reading your post - i laughed at your name ossi vanannen!! I had high hopes for him!!

For the 2nd line spot - It's gotta be via trade or give shroeder the chance.

For defence I think were done with picking up top 4 guys - we really legitimetly need a top 2

I think that the cap will actually go up - theirs been a bunch of articles and even on here its suppose to go up pretty high so I'm not too sure about that but If we do got to move cap - Luongo could go but we'd get a very bad return if we use him as a salary dump


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Posted 30 May 2012 - 11:55 PM

I thought there was speculation that the cap roof might increase, but either way you nailed our needs on the head.

Pahlsson could re-sign here, but for a 3rd liner he's going to take a considerable pay cut or leave because we have Lapierre and Malhotra who can fill his role. What we seriously lack though is a scoring center, which is where Hodgson would have fit in perfectly.

The 2 most important aspects we need to clean up are our defence and center position - the goalies are fine no matter which may MG decides to go. We desperately need to get bigger, stronger and more sounder on defence: Bieksa, Edler and Hamhuis produce enough offence from our blueline.

Hopefully, we can move Ballard to free up some cap-space and sign a physical shutdown guy for 3.5 - 4 million, then maybe acquire another in a trade with Salo due to play limited minutes and Edler in desperate need for a defensive specialist partner.

On offence, I'd like to see Jensen have a chance playing with Hansen on our 3rd line, Kassian will hopefully have a strong off-season and play on our 4th line and the rest of our forward lines should stay in tact. As for Kesler's replacement, maybe we find a cheap rental player like Morrison (but not, just someone similar to him) or have Lapierre step up into the 2nd line.

With all the success rookies are having these days (and even last season, Hodgson was scoring above a 20-goal pace with us) and how they're carrying their teams in the Finals, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Canucks lean on maybe Schroeder, Kassian and Jensen.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 12:11 AM

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 12:21 AM

I'd like the Canucks to make whatever moves they need to, to bring in Cody Franson and Colin Wilson as a our top4 right handed Dman and our third line center and a veteran to back up Schneider

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 12:26 AM

Who should slot into the 2nd line spot?
Who do you propose we pick up to play top 4 right side D?
How would you free up cap space to sign key players like Schneider?

What do the Canucks do? They stop f$c%ing around, is what they do.

This line-up will take the cup from any team. Still under $64 million


Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Evander Kane ($3.100m) / Jordan Staal ($4.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Adam Burish ($1.150m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Byron Bitz ($0.700m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Nicklas Jensen ($0.875m)
Mike Duco ($0.550m) / /Zack Kassian ($0.875)


Shea Weber ($7.500m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Sami Salo ($2.000m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.675m) / Justin Schultz ($0.900m)

Aaron Rome ($0.755m)/ Chris Tanev ($0.700m)

Cory Schneider ($3.500m)
Eddie Lack ($0.900m)


Total roster - $62,675,000

The following players should be dealt to make it happen

Roberto Luongo - If I was him, I'd want out to.

David Booth

Alex Edler

Mason Raymond

Manny Malhotra

Keith Ballard

Andrew Alberts

Aaron Volpatti

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 12:32 AM

Who should slot into the 2nd line spot?
Who do you propose we pick up to play top 4 right side D?
How would you free up cap space to sign key players like Schneider?

What do the Canucks do? They stop f$c%ing around, is what they do.

This line-up will take the cup from any team. Still under $64 million


Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Evander Kane ($3.100m) / Jordan Staal ($4.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Adam Burish ($1.150m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Byron Bitz ($0.700m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Nicklas Jensen ($0.875m)
Mike Duco ($0.550m) / /Zack Kassian ($0.875)


Shea Weber ($7.500m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Sami Salo ($2.000m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.675m) / Justin Schultz ($0.900m)

Aaron Rome ($0.755m)/ Chris Tanev ($0.700m)

Cory Schneider ($3.500m)
Eddie Lack ($0.900m)


Total roster - $62,675,000

The following players should be dealt to make it happen

Roberto Luongo - If I was him, I'd want out to.

David Booth

Alex Edler

Mason Raymond

Manny Malhotra

Keith Ballard

Andrew Alberts

Aaron Volpatti


Exactly what moves are we going to complete to get Weber, E.Kane, Staal, Gardiner and Burish

You're also over the player roster limit.

Edited by Puck Puck Goose, 31 May 2012 - 12:33 AM.


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Posted 31 May 2012 - 01:06 AM

Lol at the above post. I'm going to try to turn this thread around before the coke heads show up.

My thoughts on October line up:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Kassian - Schroeder - Booth - could actually work, Kassian balances out the lack of size. Schroeder adds playmaking.
Higgins - Malholtra - Hansen - Malholtra gets his groove back, shows that hustle. *fingers crossed*
Volpatti - Lapierre - Bitz
Duco, Ebbett

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Schenn
Ballard - Tanev
Salo

Schneider
Lack

A lot of youth movement here. Thoughts on a younger team?

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 04:08 AM

come on people weber isnt coming to van unless they give lu for draft picks and sign schneider for under 3 mil.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 04:10 AM

Departures:
Sami Pahlsson - 35, retires or else plays in Sweden. Hard to justify 2.6 million for a guy that scores 4 goals
Mason Raymond - Joins Disney on ice as the fairy from Peter Pan.


I see no other fate for him. Love the guy, but the constant fanning, falling and failing has got to go.
Leotards will look good on him.


as for the trades I don't know if Kassian is ready for a role on the 2nd line.
not too sure where he fits on this team right now as he was acquired for our future, which I find funny when our cup window is closing and we need goal scorers (move on/get over it... I apologize).
Schenn is a valid choice and makes sense if Luongo is traded to Toronto. Can't stop myself from hoping somehow the hockey gods give us Ryan Suter.
I have a feeling though that Tanev is going to bulk up over the summer and really shine next season. A hard working player with a great team attitude. If he knows the spot needs to be filled, I wouldn't put it past him to rise to the occasion.
Hoping Schroeder fits in well... we don't need Kesler rushing back again so we can have a half function star player again.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 04:11 AM

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what are you talking about ? I am stating the fact that I ... myself.. me.. think were done with picking up top 4 guys and need to pick up top 2 guy-s in the back end.... my opinion ... so what are you posting about lol?"

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 04:14 AM

My thoughts for the off season


Put Kassian in Chicago for a year to mature and develope. We kept CoHo on the farm for this reason and this past year he was playing well and looked like he undestood our system. IMO Kassian looks lost out their on the ice and in no way shape or form is he a 1st or 2nd player right now. I don't undestand when people say they would put Kassian on the top lines ahead of Lappy. Lappy does have a bit more skill and believe it or not more grit then Kassian has shown us since he has arrived. One or two seasons in Chicago and hopefully Kassian can turn into a force for our team.

My second thought, do not acquire Luke Schenn. If you do this you might as well hire Pierre Mcquire to do our play by play and put me out of my misery.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 04:18 AM

As for the people who want Jensen to come up. I wouldn't rush it. The kid just joined the wolves at the end of the season. While he played excellent in a few games, he was quick to receive a concussion. With everything we went through with Injury Prone Cody should we really rush Jensen up to the NHL? While he was a first round draft pick... we got him 29th. Usually rookies aren't brought up fresh with no AHL experience unless they are in the top 10. I say take it slow with Jensen. If things go well for him though throughout the season it's good to know we'll have him as a secret weapon for the playoffs.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:04 AM

my main hope for the off season is that it goes quickly so we can watch Canuck hockey again ;p

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:20 AM

Why does EVERYONE want to trade Edler????
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:22 AM

2 factors MG must consider:
1/ he works for the AQ's...therefore if the ownership groups have a cap figure in mind for the new CBA, chances are MG will be forced to work within that stated cap until the new CBA is signed (no use in signing a F/A with a higher total team cap hit then be forced to deal someone in Sept or worse yet, stick a high value asset on a one-way down in Chicago).
2/ what is Edmonton doing? Until we can determine, sadly probably not until draft day, what Edmonton is doing to touch up their roster it will be difficult for us to counter. Both GM's may be wondering what the other is planning.

Therefore, short of securing RFA Cory within the guidelines set out on draft day, we may not see any quick deals made...this may have to be a wait and see summer. Also (and traditionally) we usually don't see too many star RFA's scooped up by other teams. Cap space (as many GM's are now coming to realize) is far too precious a commodity to risk signing a star RFA to an over-inflated contract just to ensure he gets "stolen" from the team that owns his rights.

So settle in and prepare to be dissappointed if we don't land any superstars here...chances are Edmonton won't be landing any either, so we should be a lock for 1st in NW again...at least for 1 more season.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:33 AM

As far as your comment on Raymond, anyone who dis's their own team's players is not a fan - they are no different than the rest of the haters out there.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:17 AM

why do, so many, want to gut this team?....we won two president's trophies, went to game 7 of the scf and got beat this year, to a team that seems to be beating everybody....we need a number 4, right handed d-man to compliment edler....a top 9 forward.....and trade a goalie.....i'ld like to see the amex line given another shot....lappy, moved up to third line center.....possibly a ballard trade....and a few more fans, who don't disrespect their players....

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:27 AM

My toughts? MG has to re-tool this team, as much as I hate to say it Kes may have to go, His egeo is a distraction, I mean come on man, A nude photo shoot really? Pathetic!!!
That is not the behavior of a champion. Luo has to go, if he doesn't his head will explode! We have more than enough borderline FA's on this team move at least 3/4 of them and lets see what our Prospects bring to the table before they are 35 and usless!
The time is now to make this team better than it is, if MG doesn't move now we will be just like the Flames, OLD, FAT AND SLOW, with no promising prospects!

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:40 AM

Realistically? For the two main needs - 2nd Center and 2nd RD - one will be addressed by UFA, the other by the return in the Luongo deal. And I hope they're both excellent players.

If we trade Luongo, and part of the return is a top-6 center (Lecavalier, Marleau, Bozak), then I would like to see Jason Garrison targeted in UFA.

If we trade Luongo for a right-side defenseman (most likely: Schenn), the pickings are even slimmer for a UFA center. I'd expect us to target someone who is primarily thought of as a 3rd center, but good enough to fill in for the top-6 (Chris Kelly, Paul Gaustad).

Luongo for Bozak and Schenn fills both our needs. I could see that as a deal that benefits both sides. Both players are fairly young, but well established as able to play 2nd line and top-4 minutes. At 22, I expect Schenn to get much better, and perhaps develp to be a bonafide top-pairing defensive defenseman who could be a permanent partner to Edler.

To provide cap room, the obvious move is to get rid of Ballard. Find a team that will take him for a 3rd rounder or something - heck, waive him if you have to. Let Alberts, Tanev, and Gragnani cover the bottom pairing and its limited minutes. Sauve and Connaughton should be good enough to call up for injury relief. Then you have PLENTY of money to work with, and can afford to take/offer a high contract to get the best option available to fill the more important top-6/4 roles.

Lastly, I'd loathe to go forward thinking Schroeder can simply fill the 2nd line C spot. For one, he hasn't played an NHL game yet. And secondly, if he does, what if he or Henrik gets hurt? We don't have any other centers in the organization who are good enough - even potentially good enough - to step into that spot.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:57 AM

Why does EVERYONE want to trade Edler????


Did you not watch the playoffs?
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:11 AM

Did you not watch the playoffs?

It was just 5 games...
He was great in the regular season
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:31 AM

It was just 5 games...
He was great in the regular season


Does anyone actually give a crap about the regular season.

Alex Edler wasn't just bad in the playoffs, he lost games for the canucks singlehandedly with his turnovers, for at least two of the losses.

Ryan Kesler had a bad year and everyone wants him gone.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:33 AM

why do, so many, want to gut this team?....we won two president's trophies, went to game 7 of the scf and got beat this year, to a team that seems to be beating everybody....we need a number 4, right handed d-man to compliment edler....a top 9 forward.....and trade a goalie.....i'ld like to see the amex line given another shot....lappy, moved up to third line center.....possibly a ballard trade....and a few more fans, who don't disrespect their players....


We are passionate and deserve to have the best quality product presented to us as fans. Players are professionals, and are thus expected to perform.

This is a business. Players that don't perform should be reevaluated. There are other intangibles to be taken into account (locker room dynamics, work ethic, etc), but it's all about the product.

IMO, even though we won 51 games last season, with a very good team, the product was lacking. The 'entertainment factor' was not only diminished from the past, but the work ethic and drive that was absent during the season translated into our disastrous post season.

We lacked hunger, president's trophy or not. If significant making changes can change this, then I am all for it.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:37 AM

We are passionate and deserve to have the best quality product presented to us as fans. Players are professionals, and are thus expected to perform.

This is a business. Players that don't perform should be reevaluated. There are other intangibles to be taken into account (locker room dynamics, work ethic, etc), but it's all about the product.

IMO, even though we won 51 games last season, with a very good team, the product was lacking. The 'entertainment factor' was not only diminished from the past, but the work ethic and drive that was absent during the season translated into our disastrous post season.

We lacked hunger, president's trophy or not. If significant making changes can change this, then I am all for it.


It's not the canucks responsibility to entertain you.
I will agree that they were missing the hunger to win. If they had that and battled every night but ony won 1 - 0 , or 2 -1 that's ok with me.

That's not the case, they won games 2 - 1 because the goalies were unreal
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:37 AM

Pahlsson I can see going back to Sweden...leaving 2 C holes to fill on the 2nd and 3rd line...

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:55 AM

I don't believe it is going down:

http://thehockeywrit...alary-cap-2012/

It was rumoured at the last GM meetings that the cap will rise (as the above article suggests), but teams were warned to be careful in how they spend for the future, as it may change with the new CBA.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 10:56 AM

Why does EVERYONE want to trade Edler????

Because he is slow (unless he's rushing the puck), lacks hockey sense, he's one year away from his prime and a new contract, and he's one of the only pieces we can move while our defence is sorely lacking.

Yeah, that about sums it up.

I actually want him to stay providing we find a responsible player that can mentor him into what he should be. Without that he nor AV are getting him there on his own.

why do, so many, want to gut this team?....we won two president's trophies, went to game 7 of the scf and got beat this year, to a team that seems to be beating everybody....we need a number 4, right handed d-man to compliment edler....a top 9 forward.....and trade a goalie.....i'ld like to see the amex line given another shot....lappy, moved up to third line center.....possibly a ballard trade....and a few more fans, who don't disrespect their players....

I agree on everthing but the AMEX line (Need a top 6 forward in addition to a top 9). Our second line was pure garbage and needs to be changed. I love these guys together but save it for NHL 12. We need a second line that puts fear into people and the puck in the net. Not one that can pick up the check after a nice meal.

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