Jester@wraiths.ca Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/suspended-edmonton-teacher-expects-to-be-sacked-for-handing-out-zeros-156354995.html EDMONTON - An Edmonton teacher suspended for giving students zeros says he fully expects to be fired. Lynden Dorval says he believes he has become an embarrassment to the school board at Ross Sheppard High School by going public with his views on coddling students. The physics teacher has been getting supportive phone calls and emails from parents and peers for giving students zeros for work not handed in. The school principal has directed that uncompleted assignments are to be listed as such and not factored into final grades. The theory is that a zero is unfair because most students have at least some understanding of what's being taught. Dorval says the policy allows schools to prop up their graduation rates at the expense of students, who are poorly prepared for post-secondary education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I was wondering why so many people in my program dropped out. They had higher marks then me in high school and I had higher marks in Uni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niloc009 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Wow. Wish I was still in school. I'd study hours for one test, get 100%, then skip every other day, and get 100% in the class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 sooo, if a student doesn't turn in anything they should pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 sooo, if a student doesn't turn in anything they should pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 The theory is that a zero is unfair because most students have at least some understanding of what's being taught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gran Turismo Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 The theory is that a zero is unfair because most students have at least some understanding of what's being taught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Reminds me of Nick Nolte in Teachers: Dr. Donna Burke: We, the board members present, think that you should tender your resignation. Alex Jurel: My resignation? What for? Dr. Donna Burke: Because, Mr. Jurel, no one here wants to go through the pain of firing you. Roger Revel: We're not here to worry about one kid, we're trying to get as many through with what we've got. In case you haven't seen it - one of the plots in the movie involves parents who are suing the school as their son graduated but can't read nor write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 the theory should be that in order to receive something (a mark) they should have to perform to earn it (turn it in with correct answers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 The theory is that a zero is unfair because most students have at least some understanding of what's being taught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hornet Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I've lived in Edmonton since 2004, I went though high school in this city (2004-2007) and the school I was at still supported the zero. (Don't know if they still do) Basically, they did exactly what the teacher in the article did. Every time a report card came out, they gave us a sheet that had all of our marks on it, and showed you where you are, and if you kept up your current grades, where you would most likely end up. There were lots of kids who were expecting to just breeze though high school, but because of the zeros that were handed out, it weeded out the bad kids, while the kids who did there best were rewarded. Most kids who did nothing and got zeros got their poop in a pile once they got those sheets showing how their mark will look after getting zeros all the time. And the ones that didn't either are still in center high (that's the place to go in Edmonton to upgrade or get a high school diploma if you failed / dropped out) or working at low paying jobs. Most kids don't realize that most trades jobs even require you to have a high school diploma. I don't think it's fair for kids who literally do no work or care about school should just be pushed though the system and get an 'education'. Education is a privilege and should be rewarded to the people who want it and work for it. As a person with a learning disability, who had to work extremely hard in high school so I could get the good marks to get into university, I was always angered by the students in my class who never showed up for class, never did assignments, papers or tests, but still somehow managed to walk across the stage with me at graduation. Even though those kids got to walk across the stage, they never got a diploma from high school since they technically failed, so I never understood why they were allowed to be there in the first place. But I can rub in their faces that I have a University Diploma and they are still working at McDonalds or laying down sod.... Sorry, personal rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I've lived in Edmonton since 2004, I went though high school in this city (2004-2007) and the school I was at still supported the zero. (Don't know if they still do) Basically, they did exactly what the teacher in the article did. Every time a report card came out, they gave us a sheet that had all of our marks on it, and showed you where you are, and if you kept up your current grades, where you would most likely end up. There were lots of kids who were expecting to just breeze though high school, but because of the zeros that were handed out, it weeded out the bad kids, while the kids who did there best were rewarded. Most kids who did nothing and got zeros got their poop in a pile once they got those sheets showing how their mark will look after getting zeros all the time. And the ones that didn't either are still in center high (that's the place to go in Edmonton to upgrade or get a high school diploma if you failed / dropped out) or working at low paying jobs. Most kids don't realize that most trades jobs even require you to have a high school diploma. I don't think it's fair for kids who literally do no work or care about school should just be pushed though the system and get an 'education'. Education is a privileged and should be rewarded to the people who want it and work for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester@wraiths.ca Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 The only positive in the story is that he's been getting calls of support from parents and peers. If he gets fired because of this, then our education system is a complete joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrels.Gone.Wild Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 What a great way to prepare kids for the real world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hornet Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Actually, from what I've read this year (son is just completing grade 8), some trades/trade schools aren't going to accept "basic math" and are going to want the pre calculus math stream instead just like universities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 The only positive in the story is that he's been getting calls of support from parents and peers. If he gets fired because of this, then our education system is a complete joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Good way to prepare a nation or in this case a city of completely useless morons. Kind of reminds me of something my cousin Steven and I did many years ago. He got a report card that said "Seven assignments incomplete" We changed it to read "Steven's assignments complete" Steven is now a high school teacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armada Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Still think if you do hand in something regardless of it being crap but you at least putting the effort into you shouldn't fail the assignment but rather get a very low score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksPatsFan Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 This is why people in Edmonton sleep with their teammate's wives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 This is why people in Edmonton sleep with their teammate's wives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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