Is he really tough? Not every player needs to be as tough as nails man. I don't see how him not being incredibly tough is a reason to knock on him as a player.
Is he really offensive? Yes
is he a shut down specialist? He's a decent defencemen. He can hold his own back there. His skating and confidence on the puck comes in handy defensively as well. He is no shutdown specialist but again not ever player on a succesful team is going to be a shutdown speialist.
Is he a power play specialist? He is definitely on his way to being one. This guy quarterbacked the Leafs powerplay in his rookie season. A powerplay which was ranked top ten in the league. He has all the tools to be a powerplay specialist. Possesses a good knowledge of the game, can move the puck and has a pretty effective shot.
Is he a fast skating defencemen like Ehrhoff or Brian Campbell? Yes he does as a matter of fact. He has been compared to a young Brian Campbell on numerous broadcasts throughout last season.
Does he have? Not even size? MapleLeafs main website, which is the most accurate for player measurements have him listed 6'0 184lbs. Again some of the best players in this league aren't the biggest. Smaller players can strive in this league nowadays.
I am seriously beginning to question whether you have watched Gardiner at all this season. You are seriously undervaluing him as well as some of the other young players on the Leafs. You want Phil Kessel + for Luongo? You do know Phil Kessel is one of the most dangerous wingers in this league, a point per game player right? You want him for an aging goaltender with a bad contract? Come on really!?
I like Luongo, I think he is a good player. But your demands are unbelievable and you seem to be making judgements on players you haven't watched a lot of.
I guess you and don't see things the way it is. You see thing in a way of "OH because he has 10 year contract should should only offer a bag of pucks for Luong."
I on the other hand like to do some reasearch first, rather then react by emotion. I look other previous all star calibre players being traded recently. I look what they get, I anaylze, then make my judgement of what I think Luongo should get type of thing. Dude, I'm a fair guy, and I liek to break things down.
I had no intentions of picking off Gardiner, I just don't even know what the big deal is behind Hardiner. I made solid points, as usual to try to back myself up. He's not tough, I asked "Is he that offensive." you said, yes, I laught, 31 points is not that offensive at all if you ask me. Also he will not hit 31 points, because he will not be getting the 24 minutes of ice time he will in Vancouver because of course depth issues, he will be behind the other guys, he's not tough, size doesn't matter, my point was asking other fellow Canucks, that this player doesn't bring anything why do you want him? it's ironic I didn't get a response from any Canucks fan.
Back on point, you can say I am asking for too much, as a fan, I haven't seen much of Florida either, Ive seen more of Toronto, but no questions asked, not interested in Jake Gardiner. Phil Kessel is the only player worth trading for if it's a trade involving Toronto, and really that, isn't that much. Pretty crappy actually, how Toronto have much to offer. That's they recently said this on a Toronto sportsnet, that Vancouver has the right to ask for any player from Toronto! They do. You can advertise whatever b.s to me you want. I already Gardiner is a decent young defencemen. But for a guy who doesn't have speed, size, toughness, nor any high offensive skills, I don't think it's worth it. Jake GArdiner is more likely going to be a solid top 4 dman, in the NHL. There's nothing really special about him. Im uch rather try to go after Gudbranson, Kulikov, or Brett Connoly.
Please don't try to convince me to like Jake Gardiner. I have nothing against him, I know of him quite well, we are trading a star goalie here, I don't want Jake Gardiner to be the centerpiece. Don't try to convince me other wise that his value is down because of the length of the contract. It's your Leafs fans thinking mentallity right now. I've seen you guys in action in hfboards, it's quite hilarious actually, 2nd round pick kulemin and Colburne for Luongo. That's like the going rate right now, it's going to work. I can gaurantee you, that we will get far more then that stupid package. Anyways Have a good night. It's Phil Kessel and package or nothing. Or your looking losing the 5th pick. Trust me.
Edited by MoneypuckOverlord, 07 June 2012 - 09:20 PM.