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#211 Kryten

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 06:16 PM

My comments about their fanbase was just that it will be as tough as ours. You were suggesting they are right and I made a comment that other players have been criticized greatly and turned into good players.

You mentioned that he had developed some poor habits and I would assume that is due to maybe being in a poor developmental team like Toronto. When he was on a good team like Kelowna, he actually looked like a decent player right?

Edler has a bad 2nd half of the year and suddenly he's a joke as well? Yes, something happened to the team last year that affected them overall. However, I find it hard to rag on a coaching staff that led us to two president's trophies, a cup finals and were knocked out by quite possibly the hottest team in the league at the time.

You've developed your opinion on Schenn and I have mine. We will just have to agree to disagree and see what happens if he does get traded to us. If not, then this is all moot anyway.


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Here is my opinion on the coaching

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:31 PM

http://forum.canucks...6#entry10658966

Here is my opinion on the coaching

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Thanks for the discussion. I still hope we get Schenn (and more) for Luongo if he does go to Toronto.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 08:32 PM

Being young and highly touted by Brian Burke in the past is hardly a ringing endorsement for any defenceman's abilities. Cleary you haven't watched this 22 year old "ex-untouchable" play more than a handful of games or you would be more worried about what he brings. Toronto fans aren't dumping on him unduly, his poor play over the last four seasons have made them and Burke very unhappy.

I would be ecstatic if MG could somehow pry the fifth overall out of TO in the Lu deal. If the deal were to include Schenn however, my joy would turn into despair.


We are talking about a guy that should be learning from veteran players on how to play the postition. He came into the league and was their number 2 behind Phaneuf. Only in T.O. do they do this to players. The pressure on this kid last season was rediculous and he was trying so hard that he wasn't making good decisions.

Toronto is terrible at developing players. They hype them up so much (remember Kadri) and then when they arrive they are under so much scrutiny that they crumble.

He will thrive in Van as a 3 or 4 guy and not on the top pairing.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:13 PM

Is he really tough? Not every player needs to be as tough as nails man. I don't see how him not being incredibly tough is a reason to knock on him as a player.
Is he really offensive? Yes
is he a shut down specialist? He's a decent defencemen. He can hold his own back there. His skating and confidence on the puck comes in handy defensively as well. He is no shutdown specialist but again not ever player on a succesful team is going to be a shutdown speialist.
Is he a power play specialist? He is definitely on his way to being one. This guy quarterbacked the Leafs powerplay in his rookie season. A powerplay which was ranked top ten in the league. He has all the tools to be a powerplay specialist. Possesses a good knowledge of the game, can move the puck and has a pretty effective shot.
Is he a fast skating defencemen like Ehrhoff or Brian Campbell? Yes he does as a matter of fact. He has been compared to a young Brian Campbell on numerous broadcasts throughout last season.
Does he have? Not even size? MapleLeafs main website, which is the most accurate for player measurements have him listed 6'0 184lbs. Again some of the best players in this league aren't the biggest. Smaller players can strive in this league nowadays.

I am seriously beginning to question whether you have watched Gardiner at all this season. You are seriously undervaluing him as well as some of the other young players on the Leafs. You want Phil Kessel + for Luongo? You do know Phil Kessel is one of the most dangerous wingers in this league, a point per game player right? You want him for an aging goaltender with a bad contract? Come on really!?

I like Luongo, I think he is a good player. But your demands are unbelievable and you seem to be making judgements on players you haven't watched a lot of.


I guess you and don't see things the way it is. You see thing in a way of "OH because he has 10 year contract should should only offer a bag of pucks for Luong."

I on the other hand like to do some reasearch first, rather then react by emotion. I look other previous all star calibre players being traded recently. I look what they get, I anaylze, then make my judgement of what I think Luongo should get type of thing. Dude, I'm a fair guy, and I liek to break things down.

I had no intentions of picking off Gardiner, I just don't even know what the big deal is behind Hardiner. I made solid points, as usual to try to back myself up. He's not tough, I asked "Is he that offensive." you said, yes, I laught, 31 points is not that offensive at all if you ask me. Also he will not hit 31 points, because he will not be getting the 24 minutes of ice time he will in Vancouver because of course depth issues, he will be behind the other guys, he's not tough, size doesn't matter, my point was asking other fellow Canucks, that this player doesn't bring anything why do you want him? it's ironic I didn't get a response from any Canucks fan.

Back on point, you can say I am asking for too much, as a fan, I haven't seen much of Florida either, Ive seen more of Toronto, but no questions asked, not interested in Jake Gardiner. Phil Kessel is the only player worth trading for if it's a trade involving Toronto, and really that, isn't that much. Pretty crappy actually, how Toronto have much to offer. That's they recently said this on a Toronto sportsnet, that Vancouver has the right to ask for any player from Toronto! They do. You can advertise whatever b.s to me you want. I already Gardiner is a decent young defencemen. But for a guy who doesn't have speed, size, toughness, nor any high offensive skills, I don't think it's worth it. Jake GArdiner is more likely going to be a solid top 4 dman, in the NHL. There's nothing really special about him. Im uch rather try to go after Gudbranson, Kulikov, or Brett Connoly.

Please don't try to convince me to like Jake Gardiner. I have nothing against him, I know of him quite well, we are trading a star goalie here, I don't want Jake Gardiner to be the centerpiece. Don't try to convince me other wise that his value is down because of the length of the contract. It's your Leafs fans thinking mentallity right now. I've seen you guys in action in hfboards, it's quite hilarious actually, 2nd round pick kulemin and Colburne for Luongo. That's like the going rate right now, it's going to work. I can gaurantee you, that we will get far more then that stupid package. Anyways Have a good night. It's Phil Kessel and package or nothing. Or your looking losing the 5th pick. Trust me.

Edited by MoneypuckOverlord, 07 June 2012 - 09:20 PM.

Players Nikolaj Ehlers have been compared too by the fan base of the Vancouver Canucks.

 

1 Pavel Bure

2 Markus Naslund

3 Nathan Mackkinon

4 Jonathan Drouin.

5 Jonathan Tavares

 

http://bleacherrepor...d-top-prospects

combine results.  Ehlers 5'11 162 lbs of solid rock.  


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:41 AM

Maybe you could break your responses in to chapters.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:01 PM

None only good dman on toronto is Phanuef.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:03 PM

Gardiner is too much of risk IMO.

Edited by codyhodgson, 08 June 2012 - 02:03 PM.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:07 PM

I don't want any Leaf defenseman or any Leaf players, I want the #1 pick and I think that's what MG should be looking at and wanting as well. Nail Yakupov get it done MG

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:29 PM

Gardiner is too much of risk IMO.


CDC members aren't scouts. They've watched maybe a half dozen games of Gardiner. They base their proposals on his age and his rookie season and that's about it. 30 points as a 21 year old, the guy must be a star! If management listened to CDC most of the time they would make the wrong choice. And the ones they are right about are glaringly obvious.

Not saying Gardiner is not someone you'd want to pursue, but to base proposals solely on that is stupid, and that's mostly what people here are doing. If that's all management took into consideration, it wouldn't be a profession because any idiot could do that.
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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:57 PM

I am not sure what happened to Luke Schenn this year. He went from 22 minutes per game down to 16. His last 5 games he was a -6 so before that he was an even player.

He lead the leafs in hits by a big margin. Another number I like is his 20 ESP, one less than Phaneuf, 6 more than Liles. For the sake of comparison, Sami Salo had 11 ESP and Hamhuis had 24.

He is only 21 years old. 5 on 5 he might be a good partner for Edler if Salo decides to retire.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:03 PM

I can see MG wanting colborne 6'5 I know not a dman but MG will want him. Franson 6'5 I see him as a good guy to have with tanev and MG will most likely have to take back schenn 6'2 just because he isn't what they expeted and they have gardiner. All 3 players are over 6foot MG said that he wants to become bigger stonger and younger all 3 of these players are under 25. I know everybody said these names a million times. Ashton could also be on MG want list but I don't think so Burke would give him up

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sedins burrows
booth kesler ?/higgins
higgins/kassian/? colborne hansen
bitz lappy malhotra

hamhuis bieksa
edler schenn
franson tanev

schnieder
lack

Edited by win the stanley cup, 11 June 2012 - 10:17 PM.





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