taxi Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Yeah also veteran of the Marine Corps, served in Iraq held the position of Corporal and is a anti-war activist.. back on topic, I find it very comforting the US has completed its "planning" towards Syria. Don't worry folks we'll be seeing the next invasion shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The only reason this is an issue is because of how it is being presented by the government and media. The Syrian regime has been brutally murdering its citizens for decades with full Western support but unfortunately many people are easily manipulated by the lies and deception of governments and the media (which is the purpose of its existence in the first place). It is because their TVs say so and they want to address it just like their TVs say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The attack was also condemned by all Jewish leaders at the time, and Irgun and its offshoots have since been declared terrorist groups by the Israeli government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 The only reason this is an issue is because of how it is being presented by the government and media. The Syrian regime has been brutally murdering its citizens for decades with full Western support but unfortunately many people are easily manipulated by the lies and deception of governments and the media (which is the purpose of its existence in the first place). It is because their TVs say so and they want to address it just like their TVs say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 You are right in that the attack was condemned by Jewish leaders, who detested Zionism and warned against it. The attacks on the other hand were praised by Zionists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Really? In every year 14,000 people have died? I'm not talking about "excess deaths" either. 14,000 actual deaths from military combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 In 1982, Assad's father issued orders to the army into Hama and they killed as many as 40,000 people, 15,000 people went missing and 100,000 were expelled. 20 years later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 No you are making this up. Those were all Pro-Zionist organizations that condemned the attack. This attack, as previously mentioned, was agaisnt a military operation. All but 5 people who died in the attack were military personel. Of course Irgun was obsorbed into the IDF. It was military organization with thousands of members. The correct thing to do when an organized government takes over is to absorb all the local militant organizations into one organization and then outlaw non-government sanctioned militant activity. In the same way you'd expect to see all these rebel Syrian groups absorbed into a Syrian army should they be successful. Anyways, I'm going to ignore the rest of the posts about Israel here. The issue here is Syria. It seems to be the common reaction that anytime an arab leader does something awful, find a way to blame it on Israel. Israel has stayed out of the Syrian conflict so far. As previously explained, they have no interest in seeing Syria descend into chaos and having Hamas x 10 arrise. They also are not fans of Assad. The main rebel factions are actually operating out of Turkey. Israel and Turkey are not friends anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 No you are making this up. Those were all Pro-Zionist organizations that condemned the attack. This attack, as previously mentioned, was agaisnt a military operation. All but 5 people who died in the attack were military personel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Yes that was in 1982. We're all aware of what happened. So basically your argument now is that the USA should never ever try and reconcile with leaders they have conflict with? So that means no talking to Iran? I thought you advocated talking to Iran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttock Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 You would not need a ground force to stop the nuclear program. Just bomb the crap out of the sites. I sincerely doubt will see that though. Most likely just continued political posturing. A direct attack on Iran of any kind would simply result in Iran lobing rockets towards Israel. As for your recommendations on what the US should do, the US should do none of those things. Iran shouldn't be invaded but it's still a violent fascist state that denies all political freedomes and executes its own citizens en masse. They shouldn't be rewarded for their actions or appeased in any way. The continued policy of assassination of nuclear scientists, technological attacks, and political and economic isolation is the best way for the US to proceed. The US will never be friends with the current Iranian regime. A formal apology to the Iranian people for the overthrow of the democratically elected government and support of the Shah would be a positive move. However, showing support in any way for the current Iranian regime should be avoided at all costs. The USA needs to find a way to support the liberal movements in Iran and isolate the Ayatollahs and their chronies. As for Israel, if you think them not having nuclear weapons would somehow improve their relations with Iran, you're on crack. Iran already funds, trains, and fights alongside Hamas and Hezbollah. They've done so since the Ayatollah came into power and won't stop doing so until Israel ceases to exist. I also don't see what moral grounds the USA has for abandoning Israel over their nuclear policy. The USA has nuclear weapons themselves. The issue with Iran having them, is that they were a member of the NPT, and, therefore, supplied with free nuclear technology. Israel chose not to join from the get go. There's no international law stopping you from doing that. Iran, on the other hand, joined the NPT, got decades worth of nuclear technology from other countries, and then used that technology for military purposes (whether they are still developing weapons is another issue). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Sorry that this took so long to respond to, but, why are all of these things justified against Iran, when other regimes that are allies have even worse human rights records...because Iran is an enemy, and Saudi Arabia is an ally, and that is what it comes down to. It has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with power. There is NO country on earth that the US should not have normal relations with. Cuba is the same, the US could have normal relations any time they wanted to, but they don't want to, because the US insists on punishing countries that have the audacity to defy US interests. If you make yourself an enemy of power, and, especially if you get up on an international stage and spit on America's name, you are probably going to have the might of the American Empire brought down upon you. There are plenty of examples of this, don't pretend it has anything to do with human rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Of course I advocate talking to Iran and dialogue over aggression or violence any day as my own policy but this has nothing to do with my own advocations or policies. This has to do with reality. Bashar Al-Assad is nothing more than an extension of his father who took power from a 1970 military coup (he actually participated in two other coups prior). The CIA has had a hand in toppling the governments of Syria since 1949. And this is not about conflict. To quote your own words: "But yes back on topic. We essentially have a murderous regimne denying its citizens any kind of human rights" My argument is that this murderous regime has been acting with impunity with Western support for over four decades since a CIA-backed coup brought it into power. My argument is that any rational and intelligent individual should stop for a second and think about the bigger picture and what is behind all of this considering the past and present as well as future ramifications. Anyone who is incapable of seeing the very dirty game behind all of this is simply naive and ignorant and it is usually due to the motion picture productions they see on CNN et al along with hanging off Hillary Clinton's every word (or should I say 'Gay Girl in Damascus' and 'Danny'). Al-Assad always was and is nothing more than a pawn with strings attached. It is not I who is ignoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dank. Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTF7Lw9vfTQ&feature=plcp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttock Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Cuba is a totally different siutation. The beef between Cuba and the USA is more than just "defying interests". Cuba overthrew the American supported democratic government in place of a communist one. Then this whole thing called the cold war happened. Currently, the USA has no real beef with Cuba, but due to their past will never acknowledge them in any way until the Castro regime is gone. As for the Iran/US thing, that conflict is in no way 1-sided. The intial blame falls on the USA for ousting Iran's democratic government for oil interests as a favor to the UK. However, Iran has done everything in its power to screw over the USA at every turn. The entire Iranian regime is based on the principle of scapegoating the USA and Western culture. It's an interesting dichotomy too. From what I've seen the majority of the Iranian populace doesn't hate the USA nearly as much as the Iranian government. There's also considerably more communication between the two governments than either government will publicly admit. And yes, you may be correct Iran is an enemy and S.A. is an ally. That's how international relations work. However, it's not nearly as one sided as you make it out to be. The Iranian regime needs the USA as an enemy. Their revolution was founded on the rejection of American Western culture. If they warm up to America now then what holds their regime in place? If America is no longer the great Satan How do they tell an educated Iranian public that an islamic regime is preferable to American style democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Syria shoots down a Turkish F-4 phantom. oops. probably thought it was another pilot defecting... all is good no problems here... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18561219 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 To correct Vizzini in the Princess Bride. Never get involved in a land war in Asia, and only slightly less well known. Don't get involved in the politics of the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
key2thecup Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 This extraordinary data set derives from 680 Syria-related entities or domain names, including those of the Ministries of Presidential Affairs, Foreign Affairs, Finance, Information, Transport and Culture.Today, Thursday 5 July 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing the Syria Files – more than two million emails from Syrian political figures, ministries and associated companies, dating from August 2006 to March 2012. Over the next two months, ground-breaking stories derived from the files will appear in WikiLeaks (global), Al Akhbar (Lebanon), Al Masry Al Youm (Egypt), ARD (Germany), Associated Press (US), L’Espresso (Italy), Owni (France) and Publico.es (Spain). Other publications will announce themselves closer to their publishing date. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said: "The material is embarrassing to Syria, but it is also embarrassing to Syria’s opponents. It helps us not merely to criticise one group or another, but to understand their interests, actions and thoughts. It is only through understanding this conflict that we can hope to resolve it." At this time Syria is undergoing a violent internal conflict that has killed between 6,000 and 15,000 people in the last 18 months. The Syria Files shine a light on the inner workings of the Syrian government and economy, but they also reveal how the West and Western companies say one thing and do another. The range of information extends from the intimate correspondence of the most senior Baath party figures to records of financial transfers sent from Syrian ministries to other nations. The database comprises 2,434,899 emails from the 680 domains. There are 678,752 different email addresses that have sent emails and 1,082,447 different recipients. There are a number of different languages in the set, including around 400,000 emails in Arabic and 68,000 emails in Russian. The data is more than eight times the size of ’Cablegate’ in terms of number of documents, and more than 100 times the size in terms of data. Around 42,000 emails were infected with viruses or trojans. To solve these complexities, WikiLeaks built a general-purpose, multi-language political data-mining system which can handle massive data sets like those represented by the Syria Files. In such a large collection of information, it is not possible to verify every single email at once; however, WikiLeaks and its co-publishers have done so for all initial stories to be published. We are statistically confident that the vast majority of the data are what they purport to be. We would like to thank our sources, technical team, donors and defenders without whom this contribution to the historical record would not be possible. https://wlfriends.org/ For more information on the Syria Files, please see: http://wikileaks.org/syria-files/re... http://wikileaks.org/syria-files/ Maybe not everything. <3 Julian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Oops a top General defects because he does'nt want to bomb his own cities and people.. nothing going on here, move along utopia intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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