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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:04 AM

Yeah also veteran of the Marine Corps, served in Iraq held the position of Corporal and is a anti-war activist..

back on topic,

I find it very comforting the US has completed its "planning" towards Syria. Don't worry folks we'll be seeing the next invasion shortly.


He didn't actually become a protestor until after he was thrown out of the army for stealing a hand gun. He tried to enlist again and was denied...Hmmm, I wonder if he could be bitter about something. Also, kind of strange for a peace activist to want to steal a hand gun.

But yes back on topic. We essentially have a murderous regimne denying its citizens any kind of human rights and all peple want to do is post random crap about Israel. What does the King David Hotel have to do with Assad? Yes Jewish people blew it up. What posters here aren't telling you is that the "Hotel" was actually a military base. The Israelis gave warning to the inhabitants inside that the bomb was going to go off, and the group responsible, Irgun, was dismantled after Israel became a state. Also, no children were killed. All but 5 people were government employees or soldiers.

91 people were killed, most of them being staff of the hotel or Secretariat: 21 were first-rank government officials; 49 were second-rank clerks, typists and messengers, junior members of the Secretariat, employees of the hotel and canteen workers; 13 were soldiers; 3 policemen; and 5 were members of the public.


The attack was also condemned by all Jewish leaders at the time, and Irgun and its offshoots have since been declared terrorist groups by the Israeli government.

But apparently this is the same as using heavy artilery shells on a civilian population and killing 10,000 people so we should all ignore what is going on Syria.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 04:42 PM

The only reason this is an issue is because of how it is being presented by the government and media. The Syrian regime has been brutally murdering its citizens for decades with full Western support but unfortunately many people are easily manipulated by the lies and deception of governments and the media (which is the purpose of its existence in the first place).

It is because their TVs say so and they want to address it just like their TVs say so.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 04:54 PM

The attack was also condemned by all Jewish leaders at the time, and Irgun and its offshoots have since been declared terrorist groups by the Israeli government.


You are right in that the attack was condemned by Jewish leaders, who detested Zionism and warned against it. The attacks on the other hand were praised by Zionists.

As for Irgun, they were/are no doubt terrorists but they are considered heroes in Israel and to Zionists...Irgun was not declared as a "terrorist group" by Israel because Irgun was absorbed into the IDF!

And who was the 6th Prime Minister of Israel and what group was he the leader of?

But it does becomes clearer as to why and how such a skewed perspectives manifest on such geopolitical issues.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:00 PM

The only reason this is an issue is because of how it is being presented by the government and media. The Syrian regime has been brutally murdering its citizens for decades with full Western support but unfortunately many people are easily manipulated by the lies and deception of governments and the media (which is the purpose of its existence in the first place).

It is because their TVs say so and they want to address it just like their TVs say so.


Really? In every year 14,000 people have died? I'm not talking about "excess deaths" either. 14,000 actual deaths from military combat.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:09 PM

You are right in that the attack was condemned by Jewish leaders, who detested Zionism and warned against it. The attacks on the other hand were praised by Zionists.


No you are making this up.

The Jewish political leadership publicly condemned the attack. The Jewish Agency expressed "their feelings of horror at the base and unparalleled act perpetrated today by a gang of criminals", despite the fact that the Irgun was acting in response to the Jewish Resistance Movement, an organisation governed by the Jewish Agency.[16] The Jewish National Council denounced the bombing.[8] According to The Jerusalem Post, "[a]lthough the Hagana had sanctioned the King David bombing, world-wide condemnation caused the organization to distance itself from the attack."[7] David Ben-Gurion deemed Irgun "the enemy of the Jewish people" after the attack. Hatsofeh, a Jewish newspaper in Palestine, went as far as to label the Irgun perpetrators "fascists".[23]



Those were all Pro-Zionist organizations that condemned the attack. This attack, as previously mentioned, was agaisnt a military operation. All but 5 people who died in the attack were military personel.

As for Irgun, they were/are no doubt terrorists but they are considered heroes in Israel and to Zionists...Irgun was not declared as a "terrorist group" by Israel because Irgun was absorbed into the IDF!

And who was the 6th Prime Minister of Israel and what group was he the leader of?

But it does becomes clearer as to why and how such a skewed perspectives manifest on such geopolitical issues.


Of course Irgun was obsorbed into the IDF. It was military organization with thousands of members. The correct thing to do when an organized government takes over is to absorb all the local militant organizations into one organization and then outlaw non-government sanctioned militant activity.

In the same way you'd expect to see all these rebel Syrian groups absorbed into a Syrian army should they be successful.

Anyways, I'm going to ignore the rest of the posts about Israel here. The issue here is Syria. It seems to be the common reaction that anytime an arab leader does something awful, find a way to blame it on Israel. Israel has stayed out of the Syrian conflict so far. As previously explained, they have no interest in seeing Syria descend into chaos and having Hamas x 10 arrise. They also are not fans of Assad.

The main rebel factions are actually operating out of Turkey. Israel and Turkey are not friends anymore.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:14 PM

Really? In every year 14,000 people have died? I'm not talking about "excess deaths" either. 14,000 actual deaths from military combat.


In 1982, Assad's father issued orders to the army into Hama and they killed as many as 40,000 people, 15,000 people went missing and 100,000 were expelled.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:21 PM

In 1982, Assad's father issued orders to the army into Hama and they killed as many as 40,000 people, 15,000 people went missing and 100,000 were expelled.

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Yes that was in 1982. We're all aware of what happened. So basically your argument now is that the USA should never ever try and reconcile with leaders they have conflict with? So that means no talking to Iran? I thought you advocated talking to Iran?

Syria is a participating party in the middle east conflict. Any long lasting peace is going to involve Syria. Of course, the US is going to meet with Syria to discuss this, and this is what your photo is from. The US has consistently labelled Syria as part of their "axis of evil" and cooperates with Syria when they have to, Ex: the gulf war.

I still really don't see what this has to do with what is going on in Syria now and why you think it should be ignored.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:47 PM

No you are making this up.
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Those were all Pro-Zionist organizations that condemned the attack. This attack, as previously mentioned, was agaisnt a military operation. All but 5 people who died in the attack were military personel.



Of course Irgun was obsorbed into the IDF. It was military organization with thousands of members. The correct thing to do when an organized government takes over is to absorb all the local militant organizations into one organization and then outlaw non-government sanctioned militant activity.

In the same way you'd expect to see all these rebel Syrian groups absorbed into a Syrian army should they be successful.

Anyways, I'm going to ignore the rest of the posts about Israel here. The issue here is Syria. It seems to be the common reaction that anytime an arab leader does something awful, find a way to blame it on Israel. Israel has stayed out of the Syrian conflict so far. As previously explained, they have no interest in seeing Syria descend into chaos and having Hamas x 10 arrise. They also are not fans of Assad.

The main rebel factions are actually operating out of Turkey. Israel and Turkey are not friends anymore.


it amazes me that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter and one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist .human beings can rationalise and justify anything .
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:57 PM

No you are making this up. Those were all Pro-Zionist organizations that condemned the attack. This attack, as previously mentioned, was agaisnt a military operation. All but 5 people who died in the attack were military personel.


You showed quotes from two groups condemning the attack. For some reason, the Wikipedia article did not include the full text of British PM statement:

"Although members of the Irgun Z’vai Leumi took responsibility for this crime, yet they also made it public later that they obtained the consent and approval of the Haganah Command, and it follows, that of the Jewish Agency."

http://www.informati...article4667.htm

http://www.israelect...Martin/1982.htm

Was Deir Yassin also against a military operation?

Of course Irgun was obsorbed into the IDF. It was military organization with thousands of members. The correct thing to do when an organized government takes over is to absorb all the local militant organizations into one organization and then outlaw non-government sanctioned militant activity.


Just two seconds ago you stated that Irgun was condemned and declared a terrorist group by the Israeli government and now you call them a 'military organization' that of course the government would absorb into the IDF?

It seems to be the common reaction that anytime an arab leader does something awful, find a way to blame it on Israel.


I am simply calling into question your erroneous declarations.

The main rebel factions are actually operating out of Turkey. Israel and Turkey are not friends anymore.


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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:12 PM

Yes that was in 1982. We're all aware of what happened. So basically your argument now is that the USA should never ever try and reconcile with leaders they have conflict with? So that means no talking to Iran? I thought you advocated talking to Iran?


Of course I advocate talking to Iran and dialogue over aggression or violence any day as my own policy but this has nothing to do with my own advocations or policies. This has to do with reality. Bashar Al-Assad is nothing more than an extension of his father who took power from a 1970 military coup (he actually participated in two other coups prior). The CIA has had a hand in toppling the governments of Syria since 1949.

And this is not about conflict. To quote your own words:

"But yes back on topic. We essentially have a murderous regimne denying its citizens any kind of human rights"

My argument is that this murderous regime has been acting with impunity with Western support for over four decades since a CIA-backed coup brought it into power.

My argument is that any rational and intelligent individual should stop for a second and think about the bigger picture and what is behind all of this considering the past and present as well as future ramifications.

Anyone who is incapable of seeing the very dirty game behind all of this is simply naive and ignorant and it is usually due to the motion picture productions they see on CNN et al along with hanging off Hillary Clinton's every word (or should I say 'Gay Girl in Damascus' and 'Danny').

Al-Assad always was and is nothing more than a pawn with strings attached.

I still really don't see what this has to do with what is going on in Syria now and why you think it should be ignored.


It is not I who is ignoring.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:52 AM

You would not need a ground force to stop the nuclear program. Just bomb the crap out of the sites. I sincerely doubt will see that though. Most likely just continued political posturing. A direct attack on Iran of any kind would simply result in Iran lobing rockets towards Israel.

As for your recommendations on what the US should do, the US should do none of those things. Iran shouldn't be invaded but it's still a violent fascist state that denies all political freedomes and executes its own citizens en masse. They shouldn't be rewarded for their actions or appeased in any way. The continued policy of assassination of nuclear scientists, technological attacks, and political and economic isolation is the best way for the US to proceed. The US will never be friends with the current Iranian regime.

A formal apology to the Iranian people for the overthrow of the democratically elected government and support of the Shah would be a positive move. However, showing support in any way for the current Iranian regime should be avoided at all costs. The USA needs to find a way to support the liberal movements in Iran and isolate the Ayatollahs and their chronies.

As for Israel, if you think them not having nuclear weapons would somehow improve their relations with Iran, you're on crack. Iran already funds, trains, and fights alongside Hamas and Hezbollah. They've done so since the Ayatollah came into power and won't stop doing so until Israel ceases to exist. I also don't see what moral grounds the USA has for abandoning Israel over their nuclear policy. The USA has nuclear weapons themselves. The issue with Iran having them, is that they were a member of the NPT, and, therefore, supplied with free nuclear technology. Israel chose not to join from the get go. There's no international law stopping you from doing that. Iran, on the other hand, joined the NPT, got decades worth of nuclear technology from other countries, and then used that technology for military purposes (whether they are still developing weapons is another issue).


Sorry that this took so long to respond to, but, why are all of these things justified against Iran, when other regimes that are allies have even worse human rights records...because Iran is an enemy, and Saudi Arabia is an ally, and that is what it comes down to. It has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with power.

There is NO country on earth that the US should not have normal relations with. Cuba is the same, the US could have normal relations any time they wanted to, but they don't want to, because the US insists on punishing countries that have the audacity to defy US interests. If you make yourself an enemy of power, and, especially if you get up on an international stage and spit on America's name, you are probably going to have the might of the American Empire brought down upon you. There are plenty of examples of this, don't pretend it has anything to do with human rights.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:29 PM

Sorry that this took so long to respond to, but, why are all of these things justified against Iran, when other regimes that are allies have even worse human rights records...because Iran is an enemy, and Saudi Arabia is an ally, and that is what it comes down to. It has nothing to do with human rights and everything to do with power.

There is NO country on earth that the US should not have normal relations with. Cuba is the same, the US could have normal relations any time they wanted to, but they don't want to, because the US insists on punishing countries that have the audacity to defy US interests. If you make yourself an enemy of power, and, especially if you get up on an international stage and spit on America's name, you are probably going to have the might of the American Empire brought down upon you. There are plenty of examples of this, don't pretend it has anything to do with human rights.


Cuba is a totally different siutation. The beef between Cuba and the USA is more than just "defying interests". Cuba overthrew the American supported democratic government in place of a communist one. Then this whole thing called the cold war happened.

Currently, the USA has no real beef with Cuba, but due to their past will never acknowledge them in any way until the Castro regime is gone.

As for the Iran/US thing, that conflict is in no way 1-sided. The intial blame falls on the USA for ousting Iran's democratic government for oil interests as a favor to the UK. However, Iran has done everything in its power to screw over the USA at every turn. The entire Iranian regime is based on the principle of scapegoating the USA and Western culture.

It's an interesting dichotomy too. From what I've seen the majority of the Iranian populace doesn't hate the USA nearly as much as the Iranian government. There's also considerably more communication between the two governments than either government will publicly admit.

And yes, you may be correct Iran is an enemy and S.A. is an ally. That's how international relations work. However, it's not nearly as one sided as you make it out to be. The Iranian regime needs the USA as an enemy. Their revolution was founded on the rejection of American Western culture. If they warm up to America now then what holds their regime in place? If America is no longer the great Satan How do they tell an educated Iranian public that an islamic regime is preferable to American style democracy?
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:51 PM

Of course I advocate talking to Iran and dialogue over aggression or violence any day as my own policy but this has nothing to do with my own advocations or policies. This has to do with reality. Bashar Al-Assad is nothing more than an extension of his father who took power from a 1970 military coup (he actually participated in two other coups prior). The CIA has had a hand in toppling the governments of Syria since 1949.

And this is not about conflict. To quote your own words:

"But yes back on topic. We essentially have a murderous regimne denying its citizens any kind of human rights"

My argument is that this murderous regime has been acting with impunity with Western support for over four decades since a CIA-backed coup brought it into power.

My argument is that any rational and intelligent individual should stop for a second and think about the bigger picture and what is behind all of this considering the past and present as well as future ramifications.

Anyone who is incapable of seeing the very dirty game behind all of this is simply naive and ignorant and it is usually due to the motion picture productions they see on CNN et al along with hanging off Hillary Clinton's every word (or should I say 'Gay Girl in Damascus' and 'Danny').

Al-Assad always was and is nothing more than a pawn with strings attached.



It is not I who is ignoring.


You have a warped idea of history. Syria was in no way supported by the USA through the last 4 decades. Syria was supported heavily by the USSR, which was the USAs main adversary through the cold war.

The CIA backed Syrian coup occurred in 1949. In the years immediately following, several regimes took hold and then democracy was reinstated. The USA supported various movements that were oppossed to communism.

The current Syrian regime, which has nothing do with the CIA backed one many years earlier, was put in power by the communists. The USA at no point supported the current Syrian regime. The only time they've ever really spoken was in Dessert Storm. The Syrians decided they hated Hussein more than the hated the USA.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 02:45 PM

Cuba is a totally different siutation. The beef between Cuba and the USA is more than just "defying interests". Cuba overthrew the American supported democratic government in place of a communist one. Then this whole thing called the cold war happened.

Currently, the USA has no real beef with Cuba, but due to their past will never acknowledge them in any way until the Castro regime is gone.

As for the Iran/US thing, that conflict is in no way 1-sided. The intial blame falls on the USA for ousting Iran's democratic government for oil interests as a favor to the UK. However, Iran has done everything in its power to screw over the USA at every turn. The entire Iranian regime is based on the principle of scapegoating the USA and Western culture.

It's an interesting dichotomy too. From what I've seen the majority of the Iranian populace doesn't hate the USA nearly as much as the Iranian government. There's also considerably more communication between the two governments than either government will publicly admit.

And yes, you may be correct Iran is an enemy and S.A. is an ally. That's how international relations work. However, it's not nearly as one sided as you make it out to be. The Iranian regime needs the USA as an enemy. Their revolution was founded on the rejection of American Western culture. If they warm up to America now then what holds their regime in place? If America is no longer the great Satan How do they tell an educated Iranian public that an islamic regime is preferable to American style democracy?


The Iranian revolution was not founded on the rejection of American Western culture. Tehran is as progressive and 'westernized' a city as any you will find in the Muslim world. The revolution was about overthrowing a brutal, US-backed dictatorship. Of course the regime talks a big game, but what has Iran done to "screw over" the USA since then? The US funded and armed Saddam Hussein, including with chemical and biological weapons just because he invaded Iran. Now, the US and its allies fund and arm terrorists to assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists because this country, which hasn't attacked anybody in centuries, can't be allowed to possess nuclear weapons, because we don't like the way they TALK??? Talk is CHEAP. Anybody who pays the slightest attention to the rhetoric coming from power centres, whether it's Obama, or Netanyahu, or Ahmedinejad, or Iran's Supreme Leader, is wasting their time quite frankly. Ahmedinejad can say whatever lunatic thing he wants but actions are what matter and the actions of the US government in this regard are absolutely shameful. Throw in drone strikes in yemen and the unilateral assassination of Bin Laden and it is clear that the US has no regard for the sovereignty of other countries, and has no moral standing on issues of sovereignty.

You can say that international relations is not about morality, but rather about realpolitik. However, there are no moral states, only moral people. States are merely power centres that act in ways that their citizens would consider "moral" when they are forced to do so, and pretty much never otherwise. It is the duty of citizens to impose morality on their governments, and there is no moral reason for the West's harassment of Iran.

As for Cuba, yes, the US, this bastion of liberty will not normalize relations and allow its own citizens to travel to Cuba or do business there because the US wants its enemies to be economic basket cases even when its own interests aren't directly threatened. It's trying to teach other countries a lesson - you overthrow US-backed dictatorships and constantly spit in America's eye in international forums, we are going to punish you. American citizens have a duty here too, to impose MORAL behaviour on their government and normalize relations with Cuba, but most US Presidents kowtow to those who lobby against doing that, far more vocally.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 04:58 PM

Syria shoots down a Turkish F-4 phantom.

oops. probably thought it was another pilot defecting... all is good no problems here...



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Posted 23 June 2012 - 10:39 AM

To correct Vizzini in the Princess Bride. Never get involved in a land war in Asia, and only slightly less well known. Don't get involved in the politics of the Middle East.


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This extraordinary data set derives from 680 Syria-related entities or domain names, including those of the Ministries of Presidential Affairs, Foreign Affairs, Finance, Information, Transport and Culture.Today, Thursday 5 July 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing the Syria Files – more than two million emails from Syrian political figures, ministries and associated companies, dating from August 2006 to March 2012.

Over the next two months, ground-breaking stories derived from the files will appear in WikiLeaks (global), Al Akhbar (Lebanon), Al Masry Al Youm (Egypt), ARD (Germany), Associated Press (US), L’Espresso (Italy), Owni (France) and Publico.es (Spain). Other publications will announce themselves closer to their publishing date.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said: "The material is embarrassing to Syria, but it is also embarrassing to Syria’s opponents. It helps us not merely to criticise one group or another, but to understand their interests, actions and thoughts. It is only through understanding this conflict that we can hope to resolve it."

At this time Syria is undergoing a violent internal conflict that has killed between 6,000 and 15,000 people in the last 18 months. The Syria Files shine a light on the inner workings of the Syrian government and economy, but they also reveal how the West and Western companies say one thing and do another.

The range of information extends from the intimate correspondence of the most senior Baath party figures to records of financial transfers sent from Syrian ministries to other nations.

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In such a large collection of information, it is not possible to verify every single email at once; however, WikiLeaks and its co-publishers have done so for all initial stories to be published. We are statistically confident that the vast majority of the data are what they purport to be.

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My master (Peace be upon You), my father (Peace be upon You) and my friend (Peace be upon You) what a great gift that is.


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Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:17 PM

Oops a top General defects because he does'nt want to bomb his own cities and people.. nothing going on here, move along utopia intact.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:43 PM

Oops a top General defects because he does'nt want to bomb his own cities and people.. nothing going on here, move along utopia intact.


This was written back in 2007 by Seymour Hersh...

Jumblatt then told me that he had met with Vice-President Cheney in Washington last fall to discuss, among other issues, the possibility of undermining Assad. He and his colleagues advised Cheney that, if the United States does try to move against Syria, members of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood would be “the ones to talk to,” Jumblatt said.

The Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, a branch of a radical Sunni movement founded in Egypt in 1928, engaged in more than a decade of violent opposition to the regime of Hafez Assad, Bashir’s father. In 1982, the Brotherhood took control of the city of Hama; Assad bombarded the city for a week, killing between six thousand and twenty thousand people. Membership in the Brotherhood is punishable by death in Syria. The Brotherhood is also an avowed enemy of the U.S. and of Israel. Nevertheless, Jumblatt said, “We told Cheney that the basic link between Iran and Lebanon is Syria—and to weaken Iran you need to open the door to effective Syrian opposition.”...


The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

http://www.newyorker...currentPage=all



The individuals focusing on that General today are highly likely the same individuals who neglected or remained ignorant to what this General said, also in 2007:

"The plan is to take out seven countries in five years...starting with Iraq, then Syria and Lebanon, then Libya, Somalia and Sudan and then back to Iran"

Looks like so far it's two down with a third on the horizon. But don't expect to see this on your teeve's, the Associated Press reports or from Hilary Clinton's press conferences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LTdx1nPu3k

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:41 PM

Oops a top General defects because he does'nt want to bomb his own cities and people.. nothing going on here, move along utopia intact.


I'm sure many posters here have an inside edge on what's actually taking place, compared to a mere Syrian general. This is all part of the 9/11,Roswell,2012,false flag,aliens,big foot,loch ness,NWO,zionists,zombies,werewolves and vampires. Who want to make Assad look bad. Did I miss anything else?
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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 07 July 2012 - 07:09 PM

I'm sure many posters here have an inside edge on what's actually taking place, compared to a mere Syrian general. This is all part of the 9/11,Roswell,2012,false flag,aliens,big foot,loch ness,NWO,zionists,zombies,werewolves and vampires. Who want to make Assad look bad. Did I miss anything else?


Syrian General? Haha, that is just a nonsensical conspiracy theory propagated by foolish nutcases.

When does the foolishness and whackiness end? Next you're probably going to tell us that 19 religious fanatical Muslims knocked down three skyscrapers with two planes. :rolleyes:

You conspirists are all the same. You guys are just too much.
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 07:27 PM

Trust in Julian. Hallowed be thy name. The truth is in WikiLeaks. Julian will reveal what was said when nobody was looking. Illuminate the world for us mere mortals Julian and free us of the apathy that allows injustice. Amen.
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My master (Peace be upon You), my father (Peace be upon You) and my friend (Peace be upon You) what a great gift that is.


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Posted 08 July 2012 - 03:31 PM

Trust in Julian. Hallowed be thy name. The truth is in WikiLeaks. Julian will reveal what was said when nobody was looking. Illuminate the world for us mere mortals Julian and free us of the apathy that allows injustice. Amen.


Just one problem though...



Unlike earlier disclosures by WikiLeaks of tens of thousands of secret government military records, the group is releasing only a trickle of documents at a time from a trove of a quarter-million, and only after considering advice from five news organizations with which it chose to share all of the material.

“They are releasing the documents we selected,” Le Monde’s managing editor, Sylvie Kauffmann, said in an interview at the newspaper’s Paris headquarters.

WikiLeaks turned over all of the classified U.S. State Department cables it obtained to Le Monde, El Pais in Spain, The Guardian in Britain and Der Spiegel in Germany. The Guardian shared the material with The New York Times, and the five news organizations have been working together to plan the timing of their reports.

They also have been advising WikiLeaks on which documents to release publicly and what redactions to make to those documents, Kauffmann and others involved in the arrangement said...


The New York Times executive editor Bill Keller told readers in an online exchange that the newspaper has suggested to its media partners and to WikiLeaks what information it believes should be withheld.

“We agree wholeheartedly that transparency is not an absolute good,” Keller wrote. “Freedom of the press includes freedom not to publish, and that is a freedom we exercise with some regularity.”

http://www.thestar.c...wikileaks-media


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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:20 PM

Asshead is blaming the USA for his troubles. I believe him.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:21 PM

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 02:11 PM

The Syrian opposition: who's doing the talking?

The media have been too passive when it comes to Syrian opposition sources, without scrutinising their backgrounds and their political connections. Time for a closer look …

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The director of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, Rami Abdulrahman, speaks on the phone in his home in Coventry on December 6, 2011. Photograph: Reuters

A nightmare is unfolding across Syria, in the homes of al-Heffa and the streets of Houla. And we all know how the story ends: with thousands of soldiers and civilians killed, towns and families destroyed, and President Assad beaten to death in a ditch.
This is the story of the Syrian war, but there is another story to be told. A tale less bloody, but nevertheless important. This is a story about the storytellers: the spokespeople, the "experts on Syria", the "democracy activists". The statement makers. The people who "urge" and "warn" and "call for action".

It's a tale about some of the most quoted members of the Syrian opposition and their connection to the Anglo-American opposition creation business. The mainstream news media have, in the main, been remarkably passive when it comes to Syrian sources: billing them simply as "official spokesmen" or "pro-democracy campaigners" without, for the most part, scrutinising their statements, their backgrounds or their political connections.

It's important to stress: to investigate the background of a Syrian spokesperson is not to doubt the sincerity of his or her opposition to Assad. But a passionate hatred of the Assad regime is no guarantee of independence. Indeed, a number of key figures in the Syrian opposition movement are long-term exiles who were receiving US government funding to undermine the Assad government long before the Arab spring broke out.

Though it is not yet stated US government policy to oust Assad by force, these spokespeople are vocal advocates of foreign military intervention in Syria and thus natural allies of well-known US neoconservatives who supported Bush's invasion of Iraq and are now pressuring the Obama administration to intervene. As we will see, several of these spokespeople have found support, and in some cases developed long and lucrative relationships with advocates of military intervention on both sides of the Atlantic.
"The sand is running out of the hour glass," said Hillary Clinton on Sunday. So, as the fighting in Syria intensifies, and Russian warships set sail for Tartus, it's high time to take a closer look at those who are speaking out on behalf of the Syrian people.

The Syrian National Council

The most quoted of the opposition spokespeople are the official representatives of the Syrian National Council. The SNC is not the only Syrian opposition group – but it is generally recognised as "the main opposition coalition" (BBC). The Washington Times describes it as "an umbrella group of rival factions based outside Syria". Certainly the SNC is the opposition group that's had the closest dealings with western powers – and has called for foreign intervention from the early stages of the uprising. In February of this year, at the opening of the Friends of Syria summit in Tunisia, William Hague declared: "I will meet leaders of the Syrian National Council in a few minutes' time … We, in common with other nations, will now treat them and recognise them as a legitimate representative of the Syrian people."
The most senior of the SNC's official spokespeople is the Paris-based Syrian academic Bassma Kodmani.

Bassma Kodmani

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Bassma Kodmani of the Syrian National Council. Photograph: Carter Osmar

Here is Bassma Kodmani, seen leaving this year's Bilderberg conference in Chantilly, Virginia.

Kodmani is a member of the executive bureau and head of foreign affairs, Syrian National Council. Kodmani is close to the centre of the SNC power structure, and one of the council's most vocal spokespeople. "No dialogue with the ruling regime is possible. We can only discuss how to move on to a different political system," she declared this week. And here she is, quoted by the newswire AFP: "The next step needs to be a resolution under Chapter VII, which allows for the use of all legitimate means, coercive means, embargo on arms, as well as the use of force to oblige the regime to comply."

This statement translates into the headline "Syrians call for armed peacekeepers" (Australia's Herald Sun). When large-scale international military action is being called for, it seems only reasonable to ask: who exactly is calling for it? We can say, simply, "an official SNC spokesperson," or we can look a little closer.
This year was Kodmani's second Bilderberg. At the 2008 conference, Kodmani was listed as French; by 2012, her Frenchness had fallen away and she was listed simply as "international" – her homeland had become the world of international relations.
Back a few years, in 2005, Kodmani was working for the Ford Foundation in Cairo, where she was director of their governance and international co-operation programme. The Ford Foundation is a vast organisation, headquartered in New York, and Kodmani was already fairly senior. But she was about to jump up a league.

Around this time, in February 2005, US-Syrian relations collapsed, and President Bush recalled his ambassador from Damascus. A lot of opposition projects date from this period. "The US money for Syrian opposition figures began flowing under President George W Bush after he effectively froze political ties with Damascus in 2005," says the Washington Post.
In September 2005, Kodmani was made the executive director of the Arab Reform Initiative (ARI) – a research programme initiated by the powerful US lobby group, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

The CFR is an elite US foreign policy thinktank, and the Arab Reform Initiative is described on its website as a "CFR Project" . More specifically, the ARI was initiated by a group within the CFR called the "US/Middle East Project" – a body of senior diplomats, intelligence officers and financiers, the stated aim of which is to undertake regional "policy analysis" in order "to prevent conflict and promote stability". The US/Middle East Project pursues these goals under the guidance of an international board chaired by General (Ret.) Brent Scowcroft.

Brent Scowcroft (chairman emeritus) is a former national security adviser to the US president – he took over the role from Henry Kissinger. Sitting alongside Scowcroft of the international board is his fellow geo-strategist, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who succeeded him as the national security adviser, and Peter Sutherland, the chairman of Goldman Sachs International. So, as early as 2005, we've got a senior wing of the western intelligence/banking establishment selecting Kodmani to run a Middle East research project. In September of that year, Kodmani was made full-time director of the programme. Earlier in 2005, the CFR assigned "financial oversight" of the project to the Centre for European Reform (CER). In come the British.
The CER is overseen by Lord Kerr, the deputy chairman of Royal Dutch Shell. Kerr is a former head of the diplomatic service and is a senior adviser at Chatham House (a thinktank showcasing the best brains of the British diplomatic establishment).
In charge of the CER on a day-to-day basis is Charles Grant, former defence editor of the Economist, and these days a member of the European Council on Foreign Relations, a "pan-European thinktank" packed with diplomats, industrialists, professors and prime ministers. On its list of members you'll find the name: "Bassma Kodmani (France/Syria) – Executive Director, Arab Reform Initiative".
Another name on the list: George Soros – the financier whose non-profit "Open Society Foundations" is a primary funding source of the ECFR. At this level, the worlds of banking, diplomacy, industry, intelligence and the various policy institutes and foundations all mesh together, and there, in the middle of it all, is Kodmani.
The point is, Kodmani is not some random "pro-democracy activist" who happens to have found herself in front of a microphone. She has impeccable international diplomacy credentials: she holds the position of research director at the Académie Diplomatique Internationale – "an independent and neutral institution dedicated to promoting modern diplomacy". The Académie is headed by Jean-Claude Cousseran, a former head of the DGSE – the French foreign intelligence service.
A picture is emerging of Kodmani as a trusted lieutenant of the Anglo-American democracy-promotion industry. Her "province of origin" (according to the SNC website) is Damascus, but she has close and long-standing professional relationships with precisely those powers she's calling upon to intervene in Syria.
And many of her spokesmen colleagues are equally well-connected.

Radwan Ziadeh

Another often quoted SNC representative is Radwan Ziadeh – director of foreign relations at the Syrian National Council. Ziadeh has an impressive CV: he's a senior fellow at the federally funded Washington thinktank, the US Institute of Peace (the USIP Board of Directors is packed with alumni of the defence department and the national security council; its president is Richard Solomon, former adviser to Kissinger at the NSC).
In February this year, Ziadeh joined an elite bunch of Washington hawks to sign a letter calling upon Obama to intervene in Syria: his fellow signatories include James Woolsey (former CIA chief), Karl Rove (Bush Jr's handler), Clifford May (Committee on the Present Danger) and Elizabeth Cheney, former head of the Pentagon's Iran-Syria Operations Group.
Ziadeh is a relentless organiser, a blue-chip Washington insider with links to some of the most powerful establishment thinktanks. Ziadeh's connections extend all the way to London. In 2009 he became a visiting fellow at Chatham House, and in June of last year he featured on the panel at one of their events – "Envisioning Syria's Political Future" – sharing a platform with fellow SNC spokesman Ausama Monajed (more on Monajed below) and SNC member Najib Ghadbian.
Ghadbian was identified by the Wall Street Journal as an early intermediary between the US government and the Syrian opposition in exile: "An initial contact between the White House and NSF [National Salvation Front] was forged by Najib Ghadbian, a University of Arkansas political scientist." This was back in 2005. The watershed year.
These days, Ghadbian is a member of the general secretariat of the SNC, and is on the advisory board of a Washington-based policy body called the Syrian Center for Political and Strategic Studies (SCPSS) – an organisation co-founded by Ziadeh.
Ziadeh has been making connections like this for years. Back in 2008, Ziadeh took part in a meeting of opposition figures in a Washington government building: a mini-conference called "Syria In-Transition". The meeting was co-sponsored by a US-based body called the Democracy Council and a UK-based organisation called the Movement for Justice and Development (MJD). It was a big day for the MJD – their chairman, Anas Al-Abdah, had travelled to Washington from Britain for the event, along with their director of public relations. Here, from the MJD's website, is a description of the day: "The conference saw an exceptional turn out as the allocated hall was packed with guests from the House of Representatives and the Senate, representatives of studies centres, journalists and Syrian expatriats [sic] in the USA."
The day opened with a keynote speech by James Prince, head of the Democracy Council. Ziadeh was on a panel chaired by Joshua Muravchik (the ultra-interventionist author of the 2006 op-ed "Bomb Iran"). The topic of the discussion was "The Emergence of Organized Opposition". Sitting beside Ziadeh on the panel was the public relations director of the MJD – a man who would later become his fellow SNC spokesperson – Ausama Monajed.

Ausama Monajed

Along with Kodmani and Ziadeh, Ausama (or sometimes Osama) Monajed is one of the most important SNC spokespeople. There are others, of course – the SNC is a big beast and includes the Muslim Brotherhood. The opposition to Assad is wide-ranging, but these are some of the key voices. There are other official spokespeople with long political careers, like George Sabra of the Syrian Democratic People's party – Sabra has suffered arrest and lengthy imprisonment in his fight against the "repressive and totalitarian regime in Syria". And there are other opposition voices outside the SNC, such as the writer Michel Kilo, who speaks eloquently of the violence tearing apart his country: "Syria is being destroyed – street after street, city after city, village after village. What kind of solution is that? In order for a small group of people to remain in power, the whole country is being destroyed."
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Ausuma Monajed. Photograph: BBC

But there's no doubt that the primary opposition body is the SNC, and Kodmani, Ziadeh and Monajed are often to be found representing it. Monajed frequently crops up as a commentator on TV news channels. Here he is on the BBC, speaking from their Washington bureau. Monajed doesn't sugar-coat his message: "We are watching civilians being slaughtered and kids being slaughtered and killed and women being raped on the TV screens every day."

Meanwhile, over on Al Jazeera, Monajed talks about "what's really happening, in reality, on the ground" – about "the militiamen of Assad" who "come and rape their women, slaughter their children, and kill their elderly".
Monajed turned up, just a few days ago, as a blogger on Huffington Post UK, where he explained, at length: "Why the World Must Intervene in Syria" – calling for "direct military assistance" and "foreign military aid". So, again, a fair question might be: who is this spokesman calling for military intervention?

Monajed is a member of the SNC, adviser to its president, and according to his SNC biography, "the Founder and Director of Barada Television", a pro-opposition satellite channel based in Vauxhall, south London. In 2008, a few months after attending Syria In-Transition conference, Monajed was back in Washington, invited to lunch with George W Bush, along with a handful of other favoured dissidents (you can see Monajed in the souvenir photo, third from the right, in the red tie, near Condoleezza Rice – up the other end from Garry Kasparov).

At this time, in 2008, the US state department knew Monajed as "director of public relations for the Movement for Justice and Development (MJD), which leads the struggle for peaceful and democratic change in Syria".
Let's look closer at the MJD. Last year, the Washington Post picked up a story from WikiLeaks, which had published a mass of leaked diplomatic cables. These cables appear to show a remarkable flow of money from the US state department to the British-based Movement for Justice and Development. According to the Washington Post's report: "Barada TV is closely affiliated with the Movement for Justice and Development, a London-based network of Syrian exiles. Classified US diplomatic cables show that the state department has funnelled as much as $6m to the group since 2006 to operate the satellite channel and finance other activities inside Syria."

A state department spokesman responded to this story by saying: "Trying to promote a transformation to a more democratic process in this society is not undermining necessarily the existing government." And they're right, it's not "necessarily" that.
When asked about the state department money, Monajed himself said that he "could not confirm" US state department funding for Barada TV, but said: "I didn't receive a penny myself." Malik al -Abdeh, until very recently Barada TV's editor-in-chief insisted: "we have had no direct dealings with the US state department". The meaning of the sentence turns on that word "direct". It is worth noting that Malik al Abdeh also happens to be one of the founders of the Movement for Justice and Development (the recipient of the state department $6m, according to the leaked cable). And he's the brother of the chairman, Anas Al-Abdah. He's also the co-holder of the MJD trademark: What Malik al Abdeh does admit is that Barada TV gets a large chunk of its funding from an American non-profit organisation: the Democracy Council. One of the co-sponsors (with the MJD) of Syria In-Transition mini-conference. So what we see, in 2008, at the same meeting, are the leaders of precisely those organisations identified in the Wiki:eaks cables as the conduit (the Democracy Council) and recipient (the MJD) of large amounts of state department money.
The Democracy Council (a US-based grant distributor) lists the state department as one of its sources of funding. How it works is this: the Democracy Council serves as a grant-administering intermediary between the state department's "Middle East Partnership Initiative" and "local partners" (such as Barada TV). As the Washington Post reports:


"Several US diplomatic cables from the embassy in Damascus reveal that the Syrian exiles received money from a State Department program called the Middle East Partnership Initiative. According to the cables, the State Department funnelled money to the exile group via the Democracy Council, a Los Angeles-based nonprofit."

The same report highlights a 2009 cable from the US Embassy in Syria that says that the Democracy Council received $6.3m from the state department to run a Syria-related programme, the "Civil Society Strengthening Initiative". The cable describes this as "a discrete collaborative effort between the Democracy Council and local partners" aimed at producing, amongst other things, "various broadcast concepts." According to the Washington Post: "Other cables make clear that one of those concepts was Barada TV."
Until a few months ago, the state department's Middle East Partnership Initiative was overseen by Tamara Cofman Wittes (she's now at the Brookings Institution – an influential Washington thinktank). Of MEPI, she said that it "created a positive 'brand' for US democracy promotion efforts". While working there she declared: "There are a lot of organizations in Syria and other countries that are seeking changes from their government … That's an agenda that we believe in and we're going to support." And by support, she means bankroll.

The money

This is nothing new. Go back a while to early 2006, and you have the state department announcing a new "funding opportunity" called the "Syria Democracy Program". On offer, grants worth "$5m in Federal Fiscal Year 2006". The aim of the grants? "To accelerate the work of reformers in Syria."

These days, the cash is flowing in faster than ever. At the beginning of June 2012, the Syrian Business Forum was launched in Doha by opposition leaders including Wael Merza (SNC secretary general). "This fund has been established to support all components of the revolution in Syria," said Merza. The size of the fund? Some $300m. It's by no means clear where the money has come from, although Merza "hinted at strong financial support from Gulf Arab states for the new fund" (Al Jazeera). At the launch, Merza said that about $150m had already been spent, in part on the Free Syrian Army.

Merza's group of Syrian businessmen made an appearance at a World Economic Forum conference titled the "Platform for International Co-operation" held in Istanbul in November 2011. All part of the process whereby the SNC has grown in reputation, to become, in the words of William Hague, "a legitimate representative of the Syrian people" – and able, openly, to handle this much funding.

Building legitimacy – of opposition, of representation, of intervention – is the essential propaganda battle.
In a USA Today op-ed written in February this year, Ambassador Dennis Ross declared: "It is time to raise the status of the Syrian National Council". What he wanted, urgently, is "to create an aura of inevitability about the SNC as the alternative to Assad." The aura of inevitability. Winning the battle in advance.
A key combatant in this battle for hearts and minds is the American journalist and Daily Telegraph blogger, Michael Weiss.

Michael Weiss

One of the most widely quoted western experts on Syria – and an enthusiast for western intervention – Michael Weiss echoes Ambassador Ross when he says: "Military intervention in Syria isn't so much a matter of preference as an inevitability."
Some of Weiss's interventionist writings can be found on a Beirut-based, Washington-friendly website called "NOW Lebanon" – whose "NOW Syria" section is an important source of Syrian updates. NOW Lebanon was set up in 2007 by Saatchi & Saatchi executive Eli Khoury. Khoury has been described by the advertising industry as a "strategic communications specialist, specialising in corporate and government image and brand development".

Weiss told NOW Lebanon, back in May, that thanks to the influx of weapons to Syrian rebels "we've already begun to see some results." He showed a similar approval of military developments a few months earlier, in a piece for the New Republic: "In the past several weeks, the Free Syrian Army and other independent rebel brigades have made great strides" – whereupon, as any blogger might, he laid out his "Blueprint for a Military Intervention in Syria".

But Weiss is not only a blogger. He's also the director of communications and public relations at the Henry Jackson Society, an ultra-ultra-hawkish foreign policy thinktank.
The Henry Jackson Society's international patrons include: James "ex-CIA boss" Woolsey, Michael "homeland security" Chertoff, William "PNAC" Kristol, Robert "PNAC" Kagan', Joshua "Bomb Iran" Muravchick, and Richard "Prince of Darkness" Perle. The Society is run by Alan Mendoza, chief adviser to the all-party parliamentary group on transatlantic and international security.
The Henry Jackson Society is uncompromising in its "forward strategy" towards democracy. And Weiss is in charge of the message. The Henry Jackson Society is proud of its PR chief's far-reaching influence: "He is the author of the influential report "Intervention in Syria? An Assessment of Legality, Logistics and Hazards", which was repurposed and endorsed by the Syrian National Council."

Weiss's original report was re-named "Safe Area for Syria" – and ended up on the official syriancouncil.org website, as part of their military bureau's strategic literature. The repurposing of the HJS report was undertaken by the founder and executive director of the Strategic Research and Communication Centre (SRCC) – one Ausama Monajed.
So, the founder of Barada TV, Ausama Monajed, edited Weiss's report, published it through his own organisation (the SRCC) and passed it on to the Syrian National Council, with the support of the Henry Jackson Society.
The relationship couldn't be closer. Monajed even ends up handling inquiries for "press interviews with Michael Weiss". Weiss is not the only strategist to have sketched out the roadmap to this war (many thinktanks have thought it out, many hawks have talked it up), but some of the sharpest detailing is his.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights

The justification for the "inevitable" military intervention is the savagery of President Assad's regime: the atrocities, the shelling, the human rights abuses. Information is crucial here, and one source above all has been providing us with data about Syria. It is quoted at every turn: "The head of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights told VOA [Voice of America] that fighting and shelling killed at least 12 people in Homs province."

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is commonly used as a standalone source for news and statistics. Just this week, news agency AFP carried this story: "Syrian forces pounded Aleppo and Deir Ezzor provinces as at least 35 people were killed on Sunday across the country, among them 17 civilians, a watchdog reported." Various atrocities and casualty numbers are listed, all from a single source: "Observatory director Rami Abdel Rahman told AFP by phone."

Statistic after horrific statistic pours from "the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" (AP). It's hard to find a news report about Syria that doesn't cite them. But who are they? "They" are Rami Abdulrahman (or Rami Abdel Rahman), who lives in Coventry.

According to a Reuters report in December of last year: "When he isn't fielding calls from international media, Abdulrahman is a few minutes down the road at his clothes shop, which he runs with his wife."
When the Guardian's Middle East live blog cited "Rami Abdul-Rahman of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" it also linked to a sceptical article in the Modern Tokyo Times – an article which suggested news outlets could be a bit "more objective about their sources" when quoting "this so-called entity", the SOHR.

That name, the "Syrian Observatory of Human Rights", sound so grand, so unimpeachable, so objective. And yet when Abdulrahman and his "Britain-based NGO" (AFP/NOW Lebanon) are the sole source for so many news stories about such an important subject, it would seem reasonable to submit this body to a little more scrutiny than it's had to date.
The Observatory is by no means the only Syrian news source to be quoted freely with little or no scrutiny …

Hamza Fakher

The relationship between Ausama Monajed, the SNC, the Henry Jackson hawks and an unquestioning media can be seen in the case of Hamza Fakher. On 1 January, Nick Cohen wrote in the Observer: "To grasp the scale of the barbarism, listen to Hamza Fakher, a pro-democracy activist, who is one of the most reliable sources on the crimes the regime's news blackout hides."
He goes on to recount Fakher's horrific tales of torture and mass murder. Fakher tells Cohen of a new hot-plate torture technique that he's heard about: "imagine all the melting flesh reaching the bone before the detainee falls on the plate". The following day, Shamik Das, writing on "evidence-based" progressive blog Left Foot Forward, quotes the same source: "Hamza Fakher, a pro-democracy activist, describes the sickening reality …" – and the account of atrocities given to Cohen is repeated.

So, who exactly is this "pro-democracy activist", Hamza Fakher?

Fakher, it turns out, is the co-author of Revolution in Danger , a "Henry Jackson Society Strategic Briefing", published in February of this year. He co-wrote this briefing paper with the Henry Jackson Society's communications director, Michael Weiss. And when he's not co-writing Henry Jackson Society strategic briefings, Fakher is the communication manager of the London-based Strategic Research and Communication Centre (SRCC). According to their website, "He joined the centre in 2011 and has been in charge of the centre's communication strategy and products."

As you may recall, the SRCC is run by one Ausama Monajed: "Mr Monajed founded the centre in 2010. He is widely quoted and interviewed in international press and media outlets. He previously worked as communication consultant in Europe and the US and formerly served as the director of Barada Television …".
Monajed is Fakher's boss.

If this wasn't enough, for a final Washington twist, on the board of the Strategic Research and Communication Centre sits Murhaf Jouejati, a professor at the National Defence University in DC – "the premier center for Joint Professional Military Education (JPME)" which is "under the direction of the Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff."
If you happen to be planning a trip to Monajed's "Strategic Research and Communication Centre", you'll find it here: Strategic Research & Communication Centre, Office 36, 88-90 Hatton Garden, Holborn, London EC1N 8PN.
Office 36 at 88-90 Hatton Garden is also where you'll find the London headquarters of The Fake Tan Company, Supercar 4 U Limited, Moola loans (a "trusted loans company"), Ultimate Screeding (for all your screeding needs), and The London School of Attraction – "a London-based training company which helps men develop the skills and confidence to meet and attract women." And about a hundred other businesses besides. It's a virtual office. There's something oddly appropriate about this. A "communication centre" that doesn't even have a centre – a grand name but no physical substance.

That's the reality of Hamza Fakher. On 27 May, Shamik Das of Left Foot Forward quotes again from Fakher's account of atrocities, which he now describes as an "eyewitness account" (which Cohen never said it was) and which by now has hardened into "the record of the Assad regime".
So, a report of atrocities given by a Henry Jackson Society strategist, who is the communications manager of Mosafed's PR department, has acquired the gravitas of a historical "record".
This is not to suggest that the account of atrocities must be untrue, but how many of those who give it currency are scrutinising its origins?

And let's not forget, whatever destabilisation has been done in the realm of news and public opinion is being carried out twofold on the ground. We already know that (at the very least) "the Central Intelligence Agency and State Department … are helping the opposition Free Syrian Army develop logistical routes for moving supplies into Syria and providing communications training."
The bombs doors are open. The plans have been drawn up.
This has been brewing for a time. The sheer energy and meticulous planning that's gone into this change of regime – it's breathtaking. The soft power and political reach of the big foundations and policy bodies is vast, but scrutiny is no respecter of fancy titles and fellowships and "strategy briefings". Executive director of what, it asks. Having "democracy" or "human rights" in your job title doesn't give you a free pass.

And if you're a "communications director" it means your words should be weighed extra carefully. Weiss and Fakher, both communications directors – PR professionals. At the Chatham House event in June 2011, Monajed is listed as: "Ausama Monajed, director of communications, National Initiative for Change" and he was head of PR for the MJD. The creator of the news website NOW Lebanon, Eli Khoury, is a Saatchi advertising executive. These communications directors are working hard to create what Tamara Wittes called a "positive brand".
They're selling the idea of military intervention and regime change, and the mainstream news is hungry to buy. Many of the "activists" and spokespeople representing the Syrian opposition are closely (and in many cases financially) interlinked with the US and London – the very people who would be doing the intervening. Which means information and statistics from these sources isn't necessarily pure news – it's a sales pitch, a PR campaign.

But it's never too late to ask questions, to scrutinise sources. Asking questions doesn't make you a cheerleader for Assad – that's a false argument. It just makes you less susceptible to spin. The good news is, there's a sceptic born every minute.

http://www.guardian....ing-the-talking


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Posted 14 July 2012 - 02:15 PM

Thank you for the update regarding Syria . I was under the impression everything I am exposed to in the media is true. :huh:
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:51 PM

Israel can't even be compared to Syria. Israel has done nothing wrong, has to deal with crazies all around them and maintains a positive relationship with the US and President Obama. Syria is run by liars and thugs. How dare you compare the two, HOW dare you.


Occupation of the West Bank is nothing? Building settlements on illegal land? What a joke! If anything SANCTIONS should be placed on Israel for such actions.

Israel is runned by racists and terrorists. How many innocent civilans have they murdered? The kill ratio of Israelis to Palestinian must be more than ten to one.

The foundation of the the Israel is illegal too because the arabs were in the MAJORITY before the country of Israel was formed. Was they a referendum? No, the Jews just stole the land.
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