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Langdon Algur

Is the NHL draft lottery system broken?

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Both have pros and cons depending on how you look at it.
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exactly, it doesn't reward failure (top 5 pick no longer a guarantee) and it doesn't handicap teams good enough to perennially challenge for a playoff spot, and actually push themselves to try to make it, but just fall short, dooming them to the middle of the pack for eternity.

Also, it doesn't ignore the bottom teams as they will still get good picks if they don't get a lottery spot, good enough to help their future, and it might give a fringe team the small boost they need to finally make the playoffs/succeed.

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Pisses me off to see the Oilers get 3 1st picks in a row, I hope they all ask for a huge raise as soon as they can to screw the Oilers over.

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I'm ok with the draft lottery. Nothing wrong with it. I just didn't imagine the OIlers will do such thing.

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You could just make the entire draft order a lottery. Nobody is guaranteed any position. Put the balls in the machine, draw names from a hat, whatever, and pick the order. That way the draft order is consistently inconsistent because it's changing every single year and nobody is rewarded for sucking.

Of course people will cry conspiracy, etc..

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There's more to the draft than just position. People are forgetting the idea of the draft in the first place. It's to help teams that don't have good players get better. If you have a draft lottery the weak teams don't improve. If anything the whole lottery concept is a failure from guys in the NBA and Bettman who are failures.

The NFL has a simple set up. Worst team drafts first. There's no dynasties. Good teams and good managers keep them competitive through great scouting. Just getting 1st overall when you have a bunch of monkeys running your franchise could still be a disaster. The NFL is arguably the best league in the world of sports in terms of profit. Random draws could mean a Stanley Cup winner gets a franchise once in a decade player, how fair is that for a team trying to improve itself just to get INTO the playoffs?

In fact with the draft lottery, notice there's teams in the NBA that NEVER get good?

Dump the lottery in my opinion. In fact dump the lottery and dump Phoenix and the Islanders, hold a dispersal draft and have a 28 team league. Then everyone wins.

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Not bad. What about if the team that loses in the Stanley Cup Final gets the 1st overall pick, and the team that finished 30th gets the 2nd overall pick?

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How about simply having the non playoff teams draft in order of their final standings. In other words, the 9th place team gets the 1st pick and the 30th place team in the entire league gets the 14th pick

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There's more to the draft than just position. People are forgetting the idea of the draft in the first place. It's to help teams that don't have good players get better. If you have a draft lottery the weak teams don't improve. If anything the whole lottery concept is a failure from guys in the NBA and Bettman who are failures.

The NFL has a simple set up. Worst team drafts first. There's no dynasties. Good teams and good managers keep them competitive through great scouting. Just getting 1st overall when you have a bunch of monkeys running your franchise could still be a disaster. The NFL is arguably the best league in the world of sports in terms of profit. Random draws could mean a Stanley Cup winner gets a franchise once in a decade player, how fair is that for a team trying to improve itself just to get INTO the playoffs?

In fact with the draft lottery, notice there's teams in the NBA that NEVER get good?

Dump the lottery in my opinion. In fact dump the lottery and dump Phoenix and the Islanders, hold a dispersal draft and have a 28 team league. Then everyone wins.

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I would rather see a cap on 1st overall picks.

something like 1st overall every 5 years.

If you come last 2 years in a row you enter the lottory with a chance at 2nd to 5th the second year.

If 2 teams come last twice in four years, the 28-23 teams enter the lottory for 1st pick.

If 4 different teams come last, the 26-21 place teams lotto for 1st pick

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under this system:

Quebec would not have drafted Nolen and Lindros in 90-91 after picking Sundin in 89

Ottawa would miss Berrard and Phillips in 95-96 after picking Daigle in 93 (ouch)

Atlanta would forgo Kovalchuk in 2001 by picking Stephan in 99

Pittsburg loses Sid in 05 because of Fleury in 03

and Edmonton would not draft 1st this year and lose out on Nugent Hopkins because they got Hall in 2010

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isn't the idea of the draft to make the bad teams better?

If Edmonton picked in the bottom half then that would be a bit unfair imo. It's bad enough for them to be a bad team and miss the playoffs year after year but on top of that they don't get a chance to get top prospects and help their future?

I think it's fine the way it is personally. And to be fair, whatever would/could be changed would still seem unfair to some teams. Hard to keep 30 teams happy all the time, NHL just have to try their best.

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How about the #1 loosingest team can sign any RFA off any playoff team if they can come to agreement. They get to pick and target who they want. And rather than the draft picks by dollar value for 1,2,3, 4 valuable picks; the team loosing the player gets their premium spot in the draft lottery?

A 24 or 26 year old RFA like, saaay Weber, who obviously equalizes competitive balance far faster than an 18 year old suddenly becomes available??? But;

A) The playoff team is not allowed to match, just gets the compensation (Yakupov)!

B) The players union would like it because teams would sign their TRUE blue chip guys before they became RFA..., for bigger paydays than they are pressured to sign without any clout now.

C) The second loosingest team gets next crack at the next target RFA of their choice. So markets still have to scout, pick sagely and create an environment players want to come to? Or they dont sign good guys and have to revert to the pick.

D) Then the 3rd loosingest team gets to make the next offer, and so on...

E) The Oilers, say, have to choose who is more valuable; Weber at $10 mill to get him, or Yakupov on an entry contract. (cant keep both) who then regenerates Nashville faster.

F) Non chosen RFA's automatically get offered 2 years at a qualifying rate (10% up) then UFA, or become UFA immediately if not qualified. But chosen RFA's get big paydays 2 years sooner, odds are they listen!

F) All RFA's not re-signed by the trade deadline are eligible for this NEW lottery!

When you think about it, because there is still a cap, now there is more pressure to sign your good young talent, or someone else will. It creates more price pressure on young players and saving cap to get them. And reduces available money left for older veterans. So, the Mattias Ohlunds of the world, past their prime, are also less likely to get stupid $25 mill offers! And more likely to stay with their teams for a reasonable price...??? (And its those contracts that wreck the price structure)

If it were the Oilers, they could keep RNH and Taylor Hall and sign Weber or Giroux > they recover faster. Its a great system to balance teams faster!

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With the Oilers set to pick 1st in the NHL draft for the 3rd time in a row, lately I've been thinking a lot about the NHL draft system. Does anyone else think it is backwards for the NHL to reward failure? Under the current system teams that finish 9th or 10th in their conference are punished for trying while teams that finish dead last get the best chance for the first overall pick. So if you are looking like a seller rather than a buyer around trade deadline time, what's the incentive for your team to win? Why bother even trying? Hence we hear terms like "Fall for Hall", "Fail for Nail" or "Stop winning for McKinnon" which frankly makes the league look like a joke.

Anyone else sick of teams like the Oilers being rewarded while teams that are constantly good like Detroit are forced to retool with late round picks? I understand the current system was developed in order to create more parity and fairness, but with the salary cap now in place I think we have enough parity already. In fact I'm kind of sick of pariaty myself. Anyone else miss the old dynasty day's of the Oilers, Isles or even the Wings. It was fun to watch teams try and match up against those giants and see if they could pull off an upset.

My proposal is that we keep the draft lottery system but reverse the odds. That way teams that just barely miss the playoffs get the best chance at the number 1 pick. Consider this a sort of constilation prize for teams that come close but just miss the playoffs. This new system will provide all teams with an incentive to keep winning all year making the regular season way more interesting to watch for fans of all teams. Plus under this system you won't see GMs like Tamby rewarded with a contract extension after finishing last or near last year years in a row.

End rant. What do you think?

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They still aren't doing great, yes, but there's no doubt that they'd be doing better in the current system than if they changed it. I can't see how being forced to draft lower would help them.

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i propose that every team that misses the playoffs should have an equal chance to get a top 5 pick. the lottery should have 14 balls in a cage, one with each team's logo. then 5 balls are pulled in consecutive order, picking spots 1-5, then the rest of the picks are determined by final standings as it sits today.

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The only problem with this is that the Canucks were also beneficiaries of a very bad stretch in the late nineties. That's where the Sedins come from. Those low picks make those bad years (4 straight no playoffs) not seem so bad. It's easy when you are making the playoffs to say that the bottom teams shouldn't get all the picks but it is transitional. In five years it could very well be the Canucks down there trying to claw their way back up and at that point you won't want the system to change.

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The only problem with this is that the Canucks were also beneficiaries of a very bad stretch in the late nineties. That's where the Sedins come from. Those low picks make those bad years (4 straight no playoffs) not seem so bad. It's easy when you are making the playoffs to say that the bottom teams shouldn't get all the picks but it is transitional. In five years it could very well be the Canucks down there trying to claw their way back up and at that point you won't want the system to change.

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Dump the lottery in my opinion. In fact dump the lottery and dump Phoenix and the Islanders, hold a dispersal draft and have a 28 team league. Then everyone wins.

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Steve tambelinni will go from a fourth year bottom feeder, to GM of the year. If not next year, the one after. Its crap!

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