InSoM- Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Cigarettes are ???? evil, if you smoke them, you're a complete idiot, and deserve the BS that come with them. Cig companies should be nuked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklehead Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Cigarettes are ???? evil, if you smoke them, you're a complete idiot, and deserve the BS that come with them. Cig companies should be nuked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbox Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Free advice: Don't smoke the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navyblue Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 I quite three years ago. Most people I know have quit. Smoking just made me feel sick and sore in my stomach and in certain organs. It was pretty grim seeing as the effect wasn't even that great anyway. I don't think they should ban em tho ...and the second hand smoke comments are kinda funny...No offense. I mean blaming second hand smoke while the world is polluted tenfold by millions of different chemicals etc is a cashgrab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Sikes Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Cigarettes are ???? evil, if you smoke them, you're a complete idiot, and deserve the BS that come with them. Cig companies should be nuked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Sikes Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 And what cost are you referring to? When looking at health care costs that are caused by smokers, it is important to separate regular medical costs and cost of death. The majority of the costs that are included in the figures are cost of death. The portion that covers other costs is actually 100% paid by tobacco taxes, so smokers pay for themselves. It is very unethical for them to include cost of death, which makes it appear there is a giant extra cost, over and above what is brought in by taxation, that makes smokers a burden on the health care system. They forget to mention that if you weren't a smoker, you are also going to die at some point, incurring the exact same costs. In fact, given that someone who keeps living (versus a smoker who dies this year) will require medical care for years to come, and when they do die, medical care costs will be much higher (as medical costs are increasing faster than inflation) smokers in fact save the system money by dying early (lowering overall cost of death on average for all Canadians). The fact they include cost of death in their calculations is quite backwards, and provides the illusion that additional health costs for smokers isn't completely covered by taxation. Smoking is bad, no doubt, but poor financial analysis is also bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Seems to me like they just want a bigger peice of the tobacco industries pie...if they truly cared about people's health they could 1 make selling of any tobacco product illegal or #2, monitor and control what products are mixed with the tobacco, cuz I really dont think pure tobacco is the cause of cancer...it's a plant that grows in the ground..it's the cyanide, methanol, etc... that they add to it, that does the damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 I see you aren't big on reading comprehension either, the point that went over your head and BB's head is the smoker is responsible for the health problems caused by smoking not the tobacco company, that is like suing Smith & Wesson or Winchester for all the firearms deaths in the country, or GM and Honda for all the auto related deaths. If you are going to sue someone, pick the right person, the one responsible for the problem, not the one who has the most money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Sikes Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Seems to me like they just want a bigger peice of the tobacco industries pie...if they truly cared about people's health they could 1 make selling of any tobacco product illegal or #2, monitor and control what products are mixed with the tobacco, cuz I really dont think pure tobacco is the cause of cancer...it's a plant that grows in the ground..it's the cyanide, methanol, etc... that they add to it, that does the damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Oh nothing went over my head, I assure you. I responded to a specific and particular point. However you keep trying to drag what I said into something different. Nowhere have I said that smokers, over-eaters, sport participants etc aren't responsible for their own behavior/related illness or injuries. Perhaps YOU are the one who needs some remedial work in reading comprehension. Jeez..... who's the one 'trying to start a fight'? Time to separate personal bias from the discussion at hand, Persona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Actually he was right that it went over your head, your post made no sense whatsoever, going on an unrelated tangent regarding fat people or being coerced by a job to do an unsafe act, and not addressing the point which was akin to the later Smith and Wesson analogy. Suing smoking companies for self inflicted injuries would be like suing Smith and Wesson for someone shooting themselves, or suing a city for making a large skyscraper to leap from, or suing rope makers for hanging one's self. Smoking companies are not making people smoke cigarettes, they wilfully smoke them, they are then responsible for personal damage inflicted upon themselves, not cigarette manufacturers. Plus, cigarette manufacturers have already forked over money for damages not caused by them, plus cigarette buyers already pay a significantly higher premium than ten or twenty years ago not only here but in the US as well. e with the premise though about the stuff put into cigarettes being main sources of carcinogens, certainly not nearly all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Situation Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Smoking pure tobacco is also carcinogenic, just not as carcinogenic as manufactured cigarettes because of all the other **** they use like nicotine and tar. Smoking anything is carcinogenic, and tobacco also has the benefit of carrying additional natural carcinogens. The notion of "because it grows in the ground" is highly flawed. Try smoking some water hemlock or deadly nightshade and tell me how well that works out for you. I do agree with the premise though about the stuff put into cigarettes being main sources of carcinogens, certainly not nearly all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 Tar isn't added to cigarettes. Its just a byproduct when burning any form of tobacco. Roll your own tobacco produce even higher amounts of tar than prepackaged. Tar in tobacco is a misnomer. Its not like the stuff on the streets. Nicotine alone has not been proven to be carcinogenic but it is highly addictive which is why smokers keep on smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 While i might agree that personal responsiblity is very important, i don't mind seeing Mr. Responsibility start a little war on the other side of the spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJokinen! Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Not entirely. Nicotine can be easily gotten over, the trouble with quitting is 100% mental. I know because I struggled time and again to quit, and a book brainwashed me in 3 days to quit and feel no cravings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 Was it the Bible? Congratulations on your enlightenment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJokinen! Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 There are two things the bible is good for, keeping me warm or keeping me clean. It was Allen Carr's Easyway to Quit Smoking. Dude saved my life probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
î мцšт вяздк чфµ Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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