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#31 Lychees

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:28 AM

It definitely was worth the 5 minute major/game misconduct.

However if the refs were competent enough to call the boarding hit on Gionta like literally 10 seconds before the hit, it would have never taken place. You can pull the conspiracy card or sheer utter incompetence referees card.

The sad thing is that almost EXACTLY the same hit was done via Dwight King on Petriangelo in that series, 2 minutes for boarding. Utter retardation.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:15 AM

The NHL, consistently inconsistent.
Enough said.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 08:40 AM

That was definitely worth 5 and a game, Bernier did not let up and drove Scudari from behind into the boards, initially the refs were going to call a minor, but after seeing his face they had to call 5.

As for the Gionta hit just prior, the reason I believe there was no call is because he looked right at the refs immediately, to me it looked like he was trying to sell the call and Stoll let up just enough. Maybe a penalty in the regular season but not in the playoffs.

Anyone who says the Bernier hit isn't worth 5 needs to give their head a shake. most of us here would be calling for a major if the Sedins were hit like that

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:00 AM

The way the finals ended with that boarding call just puts an exclamation point on how the Kings have been getting calls all playoffs long.

LA: 7.825 pp mins per game, 4.4 powerplays per game, 1.65 powerplays per 2nd period, 1.6 powerplays per 3rd period
NYR: 6.525 pp mins per game, 3.5 powerplays per game, 1.15 powerplays per 2nd period, 1.00 powerplays per 3rd period
NJD: 5.989 pp mins per game, 3.33 powerplays per game, 1.21 powerplays per 2nd period, 1.04 powerplays per 3rd period
PHX: 5.5 pp mins per game, 2.9375 powerplays per game, 0.9 powerplays per 2nd period, 0.95 powerplays per 3rd period

That's quite a bit of help they've been receiving. Esp. in the 2nd and 3rd periods.

Combine this with the untabulated 'non-calls' they have been getting away with all playoffs long, like the non-call on Stoll before the Bernier boarding call, and you have yet another helped-along cup win. Yes, i'm talking about Chicago and Boston. Good teams made better by league championship pre-determination.

Rigging in pro sports is nothing new, folks. The NHL is using NBA-style penalty/foul fixing to determine game outcomes. Cheers.


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Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:02 AM

I'm convinced that the head of officiating is actually Peggy from the Capital One commericials.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 09:53 AM

There should be no missed calls when you have 4 refs on the ice at all times. But what about the ref who got laid out for been in the way...talk about unprofessional. He should know where to be at all times....SAD~!

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:13 AM

There should be no missed calls when you have 4 refs on the ice at all times. But what about the ref who got laid out for been in the way...talk about unprofessional. He should know where to be at all times....SAD~!


That pissed me off. Get out of the ???? way. He gave LA a straight opportunity to the net. Im glad Volchenkov (sp?) took his teeth out.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:18 AM

There should be no missed calls when you have 4 refs on the ice at all times. But what about the ref who got laid out for been in the way...talk about unprofessional. He should know where to be at all times....SAD~!


That dude deserved to have his teeth knocked out. I know this will never happen but the NHL needs to go back to one Ref and allow linesman to call infractions like punches , slashing , slew foots ,and blatant interference only. All the puck play will be at one mans discretion. This is the only way to create consistency. Players will quickly know how certain refs call a game and can adjust accordingly.

Bernier deserved 5 and a game. What a stupid hit. Problems I saw were.....the misses on Stoll vs Gionta, Penner punching Devil in the head on the delay, and Stoll mugging Kovalchuk and no calls. The last 2 would have simply created 4 on 4 and were disastrous to the Devils as the Kings were able to insert the dagger into the heart of N.J. Another fitting exclamation point finish for the NHL. Starting to expect it.....sad.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:54 PM

2 minute minor:

5 and a game:

Nothing:


Looks fairly consistent to me.


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Posted 12 June 2012 - 02:04 PM

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It was certainly a major, however the referees also missed a boarding call on Stoll moments before the hit, which if called, would have meant that the Bernier hit never would have happened.
I also feel like the Kings should have gotten an Interference call on Stoll (correct me if I'm wrong) for "hog-tying " (words of Jim Hughson) the Devils player before the Kings went down the ice for their 3rd goal.

Not gonna say the officiating is biased in any way, but it is absolutely brutal. There is zero consistency on what is a penalty, and what isn't.


Why is it a major? It's not charging. It's not Bernier's fault Scuderi turns. That is a routine forecheck until Scuderi turns. Normally your shoulder will take the brunt of the impact, instead his face does. Why? Because he turns.

Players need to take responsibility for themselves and stop blaming the other guy. I'm sick of this crap. You're taught not to turn away from a check, since, basically, day one of minor hockey because that's how you get hurt and that's precisely what happens here. I feel for Scuderi because he didn't mean to turn but it's his own fault. But I feel even worse for Bernier because he was slapped with an undeserving major.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 04:05 PM

I'm not a fan of the way the officiating has gone from February on this season, (too much "game management, IMO) but I have to say that Bernier's was definitely five and a game. This has been consistent for two years now.

Stoll on Gionta amy have been two, but it would have been borderline. Not knowing what was going to happen a minute or so later, I'm okay with the zebras letting that one go.

The one that really had me puzlled though, was what happened right after the Bernier hit and LA had pulled Quick. The Kings took the puck into the Devils' zone and just before losing possession, one of the Kings threw a forearm right into the face of a new Jersey player. I can't remember if it was Hughie or Doc (I was switching between NBC and CBC) but he called it a "forearm shiver" at the time.

I was fully expecting to see four on four for the first two minutes, followed by three minutes of PP time for LA.

Tough way for the Devils to lose, but they dug themselves too deep a hole to climb out of...
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 07:46 PM

i thought it was definitely worth the 5mins. last year they didn't call anything and everyone was complaining, and this year they're calling stuff and everyone's complaining again. if they're going to call a lot of penalties, obviously it's going to be a little inconsistent. it's impossible to be entirely consistent. i really don't think there was much of a tilt forward the kings reffing-wise. the 5 mins were deserved. otherwise, there were a few bad calls for both sides.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:15 PM

That was definitely worth 5 and a game, Bernier did not let up and drove Scudari from behind into the boards, initially the refs were going to call a minor, but after seeing his face they had to call 5.

As for the Gionta hit just prior, the reason I believe there was no call is because he looked right at the refs immediately, to me it looked like he was trying to sell the call and Stoll let up just enough. Maybe a penalty in the regular season but not in the playoffs.

Anyone who says the Bernier hit isn't worth 5 needs to give their head a shake. most of us here would be calling for a major if the Sedins were hit like that


many were calling for more than that when Brown leveled Henrik Sedin on a LEGAL hit. Let's be honest, had this hit happened to a Sedin, fans would have been calling for a lifetime suspension

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 04:55 AM

it was definitely worthy of a game misconduct. We've seen less harmful plays called for game misconduct. However, the refs did miss the Stoll hit (quite similar to the game misconduct in itself), and then later gave Penner a penalty for grazing a player...

As much as i love hockey and the NHL, I am kind of hoping that next year is a shorter one starting in the new year just for the sake that the CBA (and everyone involved - don't really know too much about it to be fair haha) can sort out the consistencly. Personally I wasn't too bothered who won the cup, I was hoping Broduer could get another but was so happy to see Mitchell raise cup. I remember 10 years ago, calls were made fairly, somewhere along the lines star players (got special treatment) and the reffing became horrible and inconsistent.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 07:41 AM

You guys that are saying it deserved 5 minutes are out to lunch. This was a routine hit on the forecheck until Scuderi decided to turn his back to Bernier at the last moment. Even as Bernier crosses the goal line, Scuderi's back still isn't completely in front of Bernier. The refs are supposed to take into account whether the player getting hit puts himself in a vulnerable position just prior or simultaneous with the hit. Not only that, but it looked like they decided on 5 minutes after Scuderi stayed down on the ice and milked the call.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 09:23 AM

I hate when people make the argument "he came from a long way to make the hit" as if that somehow indicates malicious intent.

When you dump the puck in on the forecheck, you are always going to be coming from a long way. It seems this argument gets made whenever there is a questionable hit, but ignored the other 99% of the time when forwads attempt to make a routine hit below the goal line after a dump in.

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