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#1 cchobo

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 08:36 PM

Hi All,

I wanted to jot down some quick thoughts on a few differences between the Canucks and the Kings.

1) As everybody may know, LA is HUGE. Most of their forwards and D are physically imposing and can punish with their brute strength. If anyone watched the handshakes after, the Devil players were noticeably shorter than the LA players.

Now, aside from a few players (Kassian, Bitz, Lappiere, and Kesler), i don't recall any Canuck a physical specimen. Really, our D are tiny, compared to the defence of LA.

GM Mike Gillis needs to address this by signing big, strong, and skilled players (i know, they are a premium) who have the heart and determination. The least Gillis could do is address the size of our D.


2) Our team has nobody with a Stanley Cup ring. This fact alone tells me that in the locker room, the Canucks have no one to depend upon. LA has 3 players with a ring: Penner, Scuderi, and Fraser.

I say we need maybe 2 or 3 players with a Stanley Cup ring. That way, the team has added experience.

GM Mike Gillis should find a 4th line guy who can play a top 6 role, if needed, with leadership, some skills, and a Stanley Cup ring. Oh, and a Defenceman with a ring would be nice too.

3) LA has John Stevens as an assistant. Maybe, Mike Gillis should look into finding an assistant with experience as a head coach (Stevens headcoached the Flyers).


Thanks for reading!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 08:43 PM

Big difference:

L.A. has a cup, the Canucks still don't.

Also Sammy Pahlsson's and Aaron Rome's Stanley Cup ring says hi!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:08 PM

LA is in LA

Vancouver is in Vancouver
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:10 PM

LA: 1 Stanley Cup

VAN: 0 Stanley Cups
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:10 PM

Biggest difference: Luck

LA captured lightning in a bottle on their run to the Cup. Everything went right in the playoffs. Every player got hot at the right time. New Jersey winning two games in a row near the end is the only semblance of adversity they had to face.

LA also had no significant injuries. You don't even hear rumours that anyone on the team is playing through injury.

The new NHL is all about parity. Anyone can beat anyone. LA won two tight 2-1 games in overtime. A lucky bounce the other way in either game and it's very different. Really, the only game the Kings had any back luck was game 4 in the Cup Final. That's it.

The Kings got hot at the right time. That's all there is to it.
What is the deal with Mike Gillis, it always seems like he's sweating...

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:15 PM

LA Kings : Quick

Canucks : Luongo

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:16 PM

Hi All,

I wanted to jot down some a quick thoughts thought on a few differences differences between the Canucks and the Kings.

1) Our team has nobody 2 players with a Stanley Cup ring. This fact alone tells me that in the locker room, the Canucks have no one 2 people to depend upon. LA has 3 players with a ring: Penner, Scuderi, and Fraser.

I say we need maybe 2 or 3 players more players with a Stanley Cup ring. That way, the team has added more experience.

Thanks for reading my edited version! :lol:


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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:18 PM

We need a top 4 defencemen as well as make some tweaks up front.

Not sure about the goaltending situation.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:18 PM

Bowness was a head coach.
Rome and Pahlsson have rings
Research your details before you post.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:21 PM

Hi All,

I wanted to jot down some quick thoughts on a few differences between the Canucks and the Kings.

1) As everybody may know, LA is HUGE. Most of their forwards and D are physically imposing and can punish with their brute strength. If anyone watched the handshakes after, the Devil players were noticeably shorter than the LA players.

Now, aside from a few players (Kassian, Bitz, Lappiere, and Kesler), i don't recall any Canuck a physical specimen. Really, our D are tiny, compared to the defence of LA.

GM Mike Gillis needs to address this by signing big, strong, and skilled players (i know, they are a premium) who have the heart and determination. The least Gillis could do is address the size of our D.


2) Our team has nobody with a Stanley Cup ring. This fact alone tells me that in the locker room, the Canucks have no one to depend upon. LA has 3 players with a ring: Penner, Scuderi, and Fraser.

I say we need maybe 2 or 3 players with a Stanley Cup ring. That way, the team has added experience.

GM Mike Gillis should find a 4th line guy who can play a top 6 role, if needed, with leadership, some skills, and a Stanley Cup ring. Oh, and a Defenceman with a ring would be nice too.

3) LA has John Stevens as an assistant. Maybe, Mike Gillis should look into finding an assistant with experience as a head coach (Stevens headcoached the Flyers).


Thanks for reading!

The whole team went to fricking game 7 of the finals. You can't get more experience than that.

QUOTE (diesel_3 @ Aug 28 2009, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well..any way you slice it....Mike Gillis just pimp-slapped the Western Conference.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:21 PM

Newell Brown's Cup ring is shiny.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:25 PM

Biggest difference: Luck

LA captured lightning in a bottle on their run to the Cup. Everything went right in the playoffs. Every player got hot at the right time. New Jersey winning two games in a row near the end is the only semblance of adversity they had to face.

LA also had no significant injuries. You don't even hear rumours that anyone on the team is playing through injury.

The new NHL is all about parity. Anyone can beat anyone. LA won two tight 2-1 games in overtime. A lucky bounce the other way in either game and it's very different. Really, the only game the Kings had any back luck was game 4 in the Cup Final. That's it.

The Kings got hot at the right time. That's all there is to it.


End thread?!

But yes...i agree, but really believe that health is probably the most major problem any team will face.

To go the distance with all your core healthy is such a huge advantage. It is something the Canucks have had terrible luck with the last 3-4 years.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:45 PM

The biggest difference between the teams is that the kings weren't playing against the refs during their finals.

But I was rooting for LAK over NJD, and love the fact that Mitchell won the cup :)

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:02 PM

I wouldn't say we really NEED those things (just because LA wins one way doesn't mean everyone else has to copy them to win the Cup), but they would definitely help.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:04 PM

Well look at the bright side. We lost against the Stanely Cup Champions two years in a row. So we just need to take that final step :)
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:08 PM

Bowness was a head coach.
Rome and Pahlsson have rings
Research your details before you post.


Rome and Pahlsson do have rings.....But, do they play a significant role on our team? A third line shut-down center and a spare D?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:10 PM

Well look at the bright side. We lost against the Stanely Cup Champions two years in a row. So we just need to take that final step :)

Actually 3 years in a row. Chicago, Boston, LA

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:16 PM

Actually 3 years in a row. Chicago, Boston, LA


I stand corrected. So lets hope we go all the way next spring :). There is always hope. Skill is great, leadership is great but if you don't have the luck to go with it, you won't win a thing. Canucks had it until the final last year and then Boston just had more , some of it due to the referees unfortunately.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:18 PM

Very simple. We sucked, they didn't. End of story

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:18 PM

Nitpicking a little bit here, but Rome's Stanley Cup ring doesn't really count as "experience."
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:35 PM

Nitpicking a little bit here, but Rome's Stanley Cup ring doesn't really count as "experience."


Exactly.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:50 PM

2) Our team has nobody with a Stanley Cup ring. This fact alone tells me that in the locker room, the Canucks have no one to depend upon. LA has 3 players with a ring: Penner, Scuderi, and Fraser.


If the Canucks were ever in a position where they had to depend on Dustin Penner in the locker room, I think they'd be in bigger trouble than they are now...

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:53 PM

Luck had nothing to do with it.

Our weaknesses were:

Goaltending. Quick > Luongo. By the time Schneids got to start it was almost already too late

Defense: LA had a bigger, more physical defense. Edler had one of the worst playoff series of his career. The whole of our defense just couldn't contain LA. (Then again a lot of teams ran into that) Doughty is an elite d-man, a type that we're lacking.

Offense: Outside of the Twins did anyone else show up? Where was Booth? Where was Higgins? Burrows? Kes was hurt. LA had secondary scoring with the likes of King, Penner, Stoll.

Coaching: Look at the two coaches. AV and his assistants didn't get the team to work on fixing it's powerplay, or work on an effective forecheck. Dump-Chase, Dump-Chase. Predictable. Then you look at Sutter. He was getting the most of his horses. He played a puck possession game. The players were like lions on raw meat. Sutter was actually COACHING his players, working with them, correcting mistakes, demanding more of his guys. Sutter got results. AV...well getting to game 7 I guess is good enough for this franchise.

That's why we lost. We got out-worked, out-coached. The team from 2/3rd of the season on was out of gas, plain and simple.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:59 PM

Stanley Cup experience is overrated. The Canucks have a ton of players who have gone to game 7 of the SCF anyways, and experience comes from the marathon, not the final sprint.

The fact does remain that the Canucks need a physically imposing defenceman. One of the problems that has been ongoing is the lack of muscle along the boards in our own end. It's not so much that the Canucks are too small, it's that there's little threat for opposing forwards to go down low.

As for size up front, it's a luxury more than anything. Acquiring a skilled tough guy costs a lot, be it in assets or cap hit. We also have Kassian, despite him being a work in progress.


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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:00 PM

The big difference?
The refs and LA wear the same coloured jerseys.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:04 PM

Canucks choked in big games, got lucky on the way to the SCF and then got completely outclassed and outmatched against the Bruins.

Kings on the other hand, dominated the top 3 teams in the West and then won BIG in a must win game for them.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:11 PM

Doughty destroyed the Devils.

Only person who could have possibly done what Doughty did was Ehrhoff. Too bad he's gone.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:29 PM

Newell Brown's Cup ring is shiny.


Newell Brown's drop pass strategy is also genius. :picard:
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:32 PM

The big difference?
The refs and LA wear the same coloured jerseys.


How can you blame it on the refs? I know the reffing is often pretty bad, but I can't really say it was biased against Vancouver. Besides the series wasn't even close enough for the refs to make a difference. LA obviously outplayed Vancouver and deserved to win.

Edited by etsen3, 11 June 2012 - 11:33 PM.


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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:34 PM

How can you blame it on the refs? I know the reffing is often pretty bad, but I can't really say it was biased against Vancouver. Besides the series wasn't even close enough for the refs to make a difference. LA obviously outplayed Vancouver and deserved to win.


I wasn't. I was just making a bad joke. I totally agree with you.

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