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#1 Kanata

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:03 PM

Another boring day at work.

Trade 1:

To VAN: Eric Brewer, Brett Connolly, One of Tampa's 1st Rd picks (10th Overall)
To TAM: R. Luongo, Van 1st, Van 2nd, rights to M. Raymond

To VAN: Shea Weber rights
To NAS: Tampa's 1st, Keith Ballard, Chris Tanev, Jordan Schroeder

Sign Gaustad 3M/yr
Sign Garrison 3.5M/yr
Sign Schultz if available .9M/yr


Healthy Line-up:

Sedin Sedin Burrows 14.2M
Booth Kesler Connolly 10.88M
Higgens Gaustad Hansen 6.25M
Malhotra Lapierre Kassian 4.37M

Wiese .9M

Hamhuis Bieksa 9.1M
Edler Weber 10M (6.75M Weber)
Garrison Brewer 7.375M

2 of Salo / Alberts / Schultz 2.9M

Schnieder 3.5M
lack 1.0M

Total cap: 70.475M
Max Cap: 70.300M
Over: 0.175M (Kesler starts on LTIR)

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:07 PM

I think Weber wants top 2 minutes.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:08 PM

I don't think Tampa or Nashville take these trades.
Connolly is going to be Stamkos' set up man once St. Louis is gone, and with Brewer finally having a healthy season his value to Tampa probably shot up quite a bit.
The Weber deal is just a huge underpayment. Even if Nashville did like that trade, there is going to be waaay better offers for Weber than that.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:09 PM

I think Weber wants top 2 minutes.


I would think he would, I didn't really align my D pairings in that way.  I'm sure he would be the #1 defenceman on the team.

Edited by Kanata, 13 June 2012 - 12:10 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:17 PM

I don't think Tampa or Nashville take these trades.
Connolly is going to be Stamkos' set up man once St. Louis is gone, and with Brewer finally having a healthy season his value to Tampa probably shot up quite a bit.
The Weber deal is just a huge underpayment.  Even if Nashville did like that trade, there is going to be waaay better offers for Weber than that.




When I re-think the Tampa trade I think you're right. We would have to add additional pieces, preferrably some prospects in minor excluding Jenson.
I think the Weber trade is fair. Remember you're trading for his rights, he's not under contract and can veto a trade to another team. Somewhere else may offer more, but he can say no if he chooses, and popular opinion is he would like to play for home-town.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:22 PM

When I re-think the Tampa trade I think you're right. We would have to add additional pieces, preferrably some prospects in minor excluding Jenson.
I think the Weber trade is fair. Remember you're trading for his rights, he's not under contract and can veto a trade to another team. Somewhere else may offer more, but he can say no if he chooses, and popular opinion is he would like to play for home-town.


While true, there is almost a consensus that Ryan Suter will sign somewhere else, so I think Nashville will do anything in their power to hold on to Weber.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:26 PM

While true, there is almost a consensus that Ryan Suter will sign somewhere else, so I think Nashville will do anything in their power to hold on to Weber.




Agree. However, if Nashville can't convince him to sign long-term and Vancouver is his preferred destination is beats losing him for nothing.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:31 PM

Awful. Keep dreaming cause Weber isn't coming to Vancouver.

Also putting Weber on the 2nd pairing is the stupidest idea as well.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:33 PM

I would think he would, I didn't really align my D pairings in that way. I'm sure he would be the #1 defenceman on the team.


Oh okay, other than that pretty fair trade (could use a bit more to acquire Weber)
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:59 PM

When I re-think the Tampa trade I think you're right. We would have to add additional pieces, preferrably some prospects in minor excluding Jenson.
I think the Weber trade is fair. Remember you're trading for his rights, he's not under contract and can veto a trade to another team. Somewhere else may offer more, but he can say no if he chooses, and popular opinion is he would like to play for home-town.

His value would decrease if he were a UFA, but there will be minimal loss if any to his value when he's an RFA.

We know what he got in arbitration last year, so worst case scenario we get him for another year at around that amount. Best case scenario is he'd sign with us for cheaper on term, otherwise he wouldn't bother with a trade and just take another one year deal with Nashville to setup UFA status next summer.

What you're offering they either already have, or could get for relatively cheap in separate deals. They've been a defence factory for a few years now (Ellis, Blum, Klein, etc), and have excellent depth after the top 2 of Suter/Weber, so they wouldn't care for possible top 4 guys in Ballard and Tanev. Schroeder isn't anything major over what they already have (Legwand, Fisher, Wilson, Smith and Gaustad if he re-signs) or couldn't acquire. The Tampa pick would be the only thing of interest for them, and that's nowhere near enough value for someone of Weber's caliber.

Weber will get significantly better offers for Nashville to consider trading him, even as an RFA, or else they'd rather keep him for another run next season and risk losing him to UFA.

As for the Tampa deal, Luongo and our 1st could get us Connelly and one of their 1st rounders (theirs or more likely Detroit's), but adding a 2nd and Raymond wouldn't convince them to move a defenceman when they're already thin in that department. Luongo would fit there, but to get a significant return from the assets they have we'd have to offer Schneider.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 01:14 PM

I would take the first deal and make off like a theif in the night. No way preds take that package for Weber and no way he signs for 6.75M
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 01:23 PM

Awful. Keep dreaming cause Weber isn't coming to Vancouver.

Also putting Weber on the 2nd pairing is the stupidest idea as well.


Aight, just like Hamhuis was a dream.

And putting someone on the 2nd pair doesn't mean they'll play less than top minutes, it's just a PAIRING, and 3rd pair dmen can play 18 minutes too....like saying Salo on the 3rd is an insult, it isn't, he's just on a pairing. Same for Kronwall on the 2nd, Brewer on the 2nd, Stuart on the 3rd...


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Posted 13 June 2012 - 01:52 PM

His value would decrease if he were a UFA, but there will be minimal loss if any to his value when he's an RFA.

We know what he got in arbitration last year, so worst case scenario we get him for another year at around that amount. Best case scenario is he'd sign with us for cheaper on term, otherwise he wouldn't bother with a trade and just take another one year deal with Nashville to setup UFA status next summer.

What you're offering they either already have, or could get for relatively cheap in separate deals. They've been a defence factory for a few years now (Ellis, Blum, Klein, etc), and have excellent depth after the top 2 of Suter/Weber, so they wouldn't care for possible top 4 guys in Ballard and Tanev. Schroeder isn't anything major over what they already have (Legwand, Fisher, Wilson, Smith and Gaustad if he re-signs) or couldn't acquire. The Tampa pick would be the only thing of interest for them, and that's nowhere near enough value for someone of Weber's caliber.

Weber will get significantly better offers for Nashville to consider trading him, even as an RFA, or else they'd rather keep him for another run next season and risk losing him to UFA.

As for the Tampa deal, Luongo and our 1st could get us Connelly and one of their 1st rounders (theirs or more likely Detroit's), but adding a 2nd and Raymond wouldn't convince them to move a defenceman when they're already thin in that department. Luongo would fit there, but to get a significant return from the assets they have we'd have to offer Schneider.




Great input. I didn't really put much consideration into the organizational strength/depth at defence that Nashville has (which is why I'm not a GM). Regardless, I doubt Nashville (in position they are in to improve long-term) would sign Weber as an RFA this year knowing they would lose him for nothing next year. Again, this hinges on the theory that Weber actually wants to come to Vancouver which could just be smoke.

As for the Luongo trade I still hold that the team goals against improvement from adding Luongo more than offsets the loss of Brewer.

Good analysis of faults in trade though, I like it.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:53 PM

Another boring day at work.

Trade 1:

To VAN: Eric Brewer, Brett Connolly, One of Tampa's 1st Rd picks (10th Overall)
To TAM: R. Luongo, Van 1st, Van 2nd, rights to M. Raymond

To VAN: Shea Weber rights
To NAS: Tampa's 1st, Keith Ballard, Chris Tanev, Jordan Schroeder

Sign Gaustad 3M/yr
Sign Garrison 3.5M/yr
Sign Schultz if available .9M/yr


Healthy Line-up:

Sedin Sedin Burrows 14.2M
Booth Kesler Connolly 10.88M
Higgens Gaustad Hansen 6.25M
Malhotra Lapierre Kassian 4.37M

Wiese .9M

Hamhuis Bieksa 9.1M
Edler Weber 10M (6.75M Weber)
Garrison Brewer 7.375M

2 of Salo / Alberts / Schultz 2.9M

Schnieder 3.5M
lack 1.0M

Total cap: 70.475M
Max Cap: 70.300M
Over: 0.175M (Kesler starts on LTIR)

i got a better idea .. no Nashville trade and we offer luongo raymond first round pick ballard malholtra shroeder 2nd round for Victor hedman and teddy purcell?
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 10:53 PM

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 04:54 PM

I say we get Weber and Nash.

Let's trade 1 of our goalies, Ballard, Raymond and Maholtra, and our first 3 picks at this years draft, maybe we have to throw in Schroeder and Rodin and Sauve.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 04:58 PM

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Nash Kesler Booth
Higgins Lappierre Hansen
Kassian Free Agent Bitz

Edler Weber
Hamhuis Bieksa
Tanev Salo

Luongo or Schneider
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