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Edler's Mind Tricks

AV and Cognitive Bias-by Jeff Angus

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I didn't read it all, but I think AV is a good coach who deserves a couple more years. If by the end of the next two we're not seeing any results - then it's time for him to go.

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Good post...........and I DID read it all.

It stands to reason, for me at any rate that AV and MG are evolving their ideas and a SC will eventually come here. You can't do that if you don't have a coach of the highest standard. (and of course a talented and patient GM)

Sir Alex Ferguson comes to mind. He had a Chairman who stuck with him because Ferguson had shown he knew how to be successful and eventually it led to honour after honour.

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The players, for the most part, like playing for him. Vigneault demands effort and consistency, but he allows the players the luxury of running the dressing room, something many other coaches around the league do not. He plays favorites, just like every coach in the history of every sport. However, he doesn't award ice time based on a player's pedigree, contract status, or favorite colour. He rewards performance.

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Good post OP! and I did read it all.

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AV is where he is because he is a players coach plain and simple. He gets results from players that others have left out or felt were done(Burr and Max to name a few). AV is still our future.

Enough with the CODHOG comments too, AV was not the issue CODHOG was and obviously will continue to be were ever he is.

:canucks: NUFF SAID :canucks:

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FOR THE LAST TIME... It is NOT Luongo's fault we lost to the Bruins. The rest of the team was battered and bruised, and could not produce offensively. How long does one need to hold down the fort with no support in front of him. The D was terrible during that time as well.

Have some appreciation for the greatness of Lu before people like you drive him out of town and we REALLY regret it.

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No secret I am an AV supporter . This is an excellent read btw. I personally cannot get over the Canucks fan base it is clearly certifiable :frantic: The best coach in franchise history, back 2 back Art Ross winners and Presidents trophies not to mention shaping and molding of players into solid performers. The entire league hates us because we are so good and everyone wants to axe AV ? Would any management fire a guy that has brought a franchise these kind of results. All we need is patience and clear heads to realize this team is and will be dominant for a few more seasons if we stay the course. I ask all the haters would you rather have a coach like Tortarella or say Wilson for that matter? What a gong show that would be :sick:

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No secret I am an AV supporter . This is an excellent read btw. I personally cannot get over the Canucks fan base it is clearly certifiable :frantic: The best coach in franchise history, back 2 back Art Ross winners and Presidents trophies not to mention shaping and molding of players into solid performers. The entire league hates us because we are so good and everyone wants to axe AV ? Would any management fire a guy that has brought a franchise these kind of results. All we need is patience and clear heads to realize this team is and will be dominant for a few more seasons if we stay the course. I ask all the haters would you rather have a coach like Tortarella or say Wilson for that matter? What a gong show that would be :sick:

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I'll simplify this.LA makes a coaching change in December and win the cup.Jersy gets a new coach to start the season and goes to the final.Like a horse race you can go into it with the favored horse but the eventual winner has changed their rider 2 races before the Kentucky Derby.Having one of the best of anything doesn't always guarantee success.History is the only true evaluation of an outcome that there is.Av hasn't really learned from his playoff mistakes.Letting the players sort things out in the dressing room ,giving them control seems strange to me.They need a coach to lead as apparent by whatever team has won the cup other than the Canucks.2 straight playoffs with a rediculously lousy powerplay.History has shown me this team needs a new rider for a pretty good horse.

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Angus has great stuff all the time - enjoy his stuff at canucksarmy.com, dobberhockey.com or anguscertified.com.

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Nice to see an article that spells thing out for the AV bashers, This paragraph is especially apropos, I thought:

Vigneault didn’t play Rome over Ballard because he hated Ballard. He played Rome over Ballard because Rome was more effective in that role. He didn’t increase Hodgson’s even strength ice time because he was a defensive liability.
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Montreal would snatch AV right away if he was released by the Canucks this season. Honestly, any better candidate out there? MacTavish: his loyalty is with Edmonton. Bob Hartley? Paul Maurice? Marc Crawford anyone? Or perhaps Michel Therrien? :P Oh I forgot, Brent Sutter just left Calgary -_-

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"The purpose of this column wasn’t to slam all of Vigneault’s critics. Many of them have raised valid points. And I’d be just as guilty as following the pro-Vigneault bandwagon if I didn’t believe there were some negative points in his coaching tenure. A few well-known cognitive biases can explain why you may feel a certain way without even knowing it."

What the author of this article intends to illustrate is that both sides of any argument fall victim to these psychological phenomena, which is only further illustrated when either side points to this article and says "see, AV is awesome", or "see, AV blows."

The point is lost if you use these examples as proof that you are right. Both sides have valid arguments. Plain and simple.

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"The purpose of this column wasn’t to slam all of Vigneault’s critics. Many of them have raised valid points. And I’d be just as guilty as following the pro-Vigneault bandwagon if I didn’t believe there were some negative points in his coaching tenure. A few well-known cognitive biases can explain why you may feel a certain way without even knowing it."

What the author of this article intends to illustrate is that both sides of any argument fall victim to these psychological phenomena, which is only further illustrated when either side points to this article and says "see, AV is awesome", or "see, AV blows."

The point is lost if you use these examples as proof that you are right. Both sides have valid arguments. Plain and simple.

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