GradinToSmyl Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Let's take a look at how even after we put Schneider in we still lost, goaltending was far from the biggest reason we lost that series and also in the finals. cool story bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 One thing they both didn't get enough of: goals. So while you can ride Luongo's ass all you want, fact of the matter is you could have started Schneider in every game and ultimately got the same result. Like I said in another thread, I think, this team has averaged 1.33 goals over the last 12 playoff games and we're blaming Luongo? Lets really get on his case when he actually does get goal support and still sh1ts the bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tm085 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 You, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with most overly emotional Luongo defenders. Take a step back and think, then type, then hit post. Goaltending was a reason: it was another series where Luongo was the 2nd best goalie in the series. Well, 3rd best this time. He has never stolen a series, but feel free to make a case for the Dallas series. Then look at a calendar. It is time for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tm085 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Ya know we did score 2 goals in each of Lu's games this playoffs and never even got to overtime.Scoring 2 goals in regulation will get a real elite goalie at least to overtime many times,and will win many games scoring 2 goals. Lu let in a few bad goals in 2 games, not sure how that qualifies as elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Among goalies last year that played 50+ games only 2 of them had a GAA of under 2. and 2 goals for is supposedly enough for an elite goalie to get a win, so according to you there are only 2 elite goalies in the league? interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tm085 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Of the 10 goalies that qualified fo stats this post season 1/2 of them had a gaa of 2 or less in the playoffs. You do realize Lu is one of the few goalies whose playoff numbers are worse than his regular season numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Yes but 3 of those 5 goalies that had a GAA of 2 or under were Holtby, Anderson and Mike Smith. Would you consider those 3 guys elite any other time? Probably not. They had excellent playoff numbers this year but one good year does not make you elite. If you can consistently do it? Then yes And as for Luongo's playoff numbers they really are not bad, his career playoff save % (.916) is nearly identical to Patrick Roy's (.918) and his GAA is a little bit higher at 2.53 (Roy's is 2.30). Those are fairly comparable numbers and last i checked Patrick Roy is a pretty elite goaltender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tm085 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Roy also played on teams where if he DID have a game where he let in say 5 goals his team was good enough to go down and score 6, same with the dynasty Oiler teams of the 80's Fuhr's GAA some years when they won the cup was up around 3, you need offense to win and we had none and you Lu-bashers are the thick ones who can't get that into your microscopic brains. Schneider will still not get us a cup and the complete clueless idiots like you that were bashing Luongo will start in on him, have fun with that. Schneider will not make or break us winning a cup, because goaltending is not the reason we didn't get one yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Roy also played on teams where if he DID have a game where he let in say 5 goals his team was good enough to go down and score 6, same with the dynasty Oiler teams of the 80's Fuhr's GAA some years when they won the cup was up around 3, you need offense to win and we had none and you Lu-bashers are the thick ones who can't get that into your microscopic brains. Schneider will still not get us a cup and the complete clueless idiots like you that were bashing Luongo will start in on him, have fun with that. Schneider will not make or break us winning a cup, because goaltending is not the reason we didn't get one yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tm085 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 If Schneider has a gaa in 4 consecutive seasons of near 3 in playoffs people will want him gone if Lack or someone else is playing as well or better than him because that is sports. A gaa of 3 was good in the 80s, but in todays NHL you better be closer to 2 than 3 to be considered elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 That is simply not true because as I said there were only 2 guys last year with a GAA around 2 or less, and only 5 in the playoffs. 3 of which i would not consider elite goalies other than how they played for that brief amount of time during their playoff run. There are more than 2 to 5 elite goalies in the NHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tm085 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Canucks have also had horrible timing in past years, if we had last years team and Lu played the way he did in 2007 we probably would have gone 16-0 and won the cup. His numbers that year were unreal 1.77GAA and .941 save% those are beyond elite numbers. Unfortunately because he did that I think alot of people expected that from him every year and that is not a realistic expectation for any goalie to put numbers up like that year after year. Luongo was definitely not great last year in the playoffs and I haven't at any point said he was, but he was also not 100% at fault for us not winning the cup. His GAA for the playoffs was 2.56, obviously not that great but you would think that would be sufficient for a Canucks team that averaged well over 3 goals a game in the regular season. But it wasn't because along with Luongo the rest of the team also underperformed. As for Luongo there is mixed opinion on what kind of return we will get, some say not much other people have said we should be able to get a very good return for him. We'll have to wait and see, alot will depend on what team wants him and how badly they need a legit #1 goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Canucks have also had horrible timing in past years, if we had last years team and Lu played the way he did in 2007 we probably would have gone 16-0 and won the cup. His numbers that year were unreal 1.77GAA and .941 save% those are beyond elite numbers. Unfortunately because he did that I think alot of people expected that from him every year and that is not a realistic expectation for any goalie to put numbers up like that year after year. Luongo was definitely not great last year in the playoffs and I haven't at any point said he was, but he was also not 100% at fault for us not winning the cup. His GAA for the playoffs was 2.56, obviously not that great but you would think that would be sufficient for a Canucks team that averaged well over 3 goals a game in the regular season. But it wasn't because along with Luongo the rest of the team also underperformed. As for Luongo there is mixed opinion on what kind of return we will get, some say not much other people have said we should be able to get a very good return for him. We'll have to wait and see, alot will depend on what team wants him and how badly they need a legit #1 goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Do not agree. Boston played in 2 game 7 series (One was right before the SCF!). If Canucks were spent, than Boston should have been dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tm085 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 What is your expectaion to get if Lu is traded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 And you are what's wrong with Luongo bashers cause you're so biased with your anti-luongoism you can't see there's more to it than goaltending, Schneider had a 1.33 GAA and we still lost 2 of 3 with him. The offense was the problem as it was in the finals, averaging less than 2 goals for a game is not winning you dick all i don't care who's in net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Roy also played on teams where if he DID have a game where he let in say 5 goals his team was good enough to go down and score 6, same with the dynasty Oiler teams of the 80's Fuhr's GAA some years when they won the cup was up around 3, you need offense to win and we had none and you Lu-bashers are the thick ones who can't get that into your microscopic brains. Schneider will still not get us a cup and the complete clueless idiots like you that were bashing Luongo will start in on him, have fun with that. Schneider will not make or break us winning a cup, because goaltending is not the reason we didn't get one yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tm085 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 If goaltending isn't the issue then moving EITHER goalie shouldn't matter should it? if we can't get market value for Luongo cause of his long contract but can get above market value for Schneider then it's a no brainer to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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