L'Orange Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Stats! Stats! Stats! Numbers! Numbers! Numbers! We seem to have lost our way here. Getting back to the issue at hand. The Canucks major gaping wound of an issue is defense. Pure and simple. Our defense has proven to be anemic. Our best defenseman are: Dan Hamhuis (the best Canucks defenseman)............Sami Salo (who may not be returning), and Keith Ballard (who played better than almost every other blueliner during the playoffs). However Ballard is for some reason in the moronic AV doghouse. Another alarming fact? Salo is the largest of all three. Edler has been touted as the franchise defenseman of the Canucks for a season or so now. Although after his pathetic showing in the playoffs, it's obvious he won't be. Trade him now while his value is at it's peak, and get someone who can be the franchise defenseman. While Bieksa wasn't nuch better than Edler, he still should be considered. Tanev and MAG are young enough that they can develop. The defense is far too timid and positionally challenged to get us very far into the playoffs anymore. Sorry but blaming either goaltender (both of whom stood on their heads) is ignorant. Both were hung out to dry on numerous occasions, both during regular season play and the playoffs. The team doesn't need a rebuild, but defense does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Our best defenseman are: Dan Hamhuis (the best Canucks defenseman)............Sami Salo (who may not be returning), and Keith Ballard (who played better than almost every other blueliner during the playoffs). However Ballard is for some reason in the moronic AV doghouse. Another alarming fact? Salo is the largest of all three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Edler has been touted as the franchise defenseman of the Canucks for a season or so now. Although after his pathetic showing in the playoffs, it's obvious he won't be. Trade him now while his value is at it's peak, and get someone who can be the franchise defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L'Orange Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'd have been far more impressed by your idea to trade Edler if it wasn't following an early playoff loss where he was coming back from back surgery and you felt the need to deflect attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 What impresses you Gradin, is of absolutely no interest to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Stats! Stats! Stats! Numbers! Numbers! Numbers! We seem to have lost our way here. Getting back to the issue at hand. The Canucks major gaping wound of an issue is defense. Pure and simple. Our defense has proven to be anemic. Our best defenseman are: Dan Hamhuis (the best Canucks defenseman)............Sami Salo (who may not be returning), and Keith Ballard (who played better than almost every other blueliner during the playoffs). However Ballard is for some reason in the moronic AV doghouse. Another alarming fact? Salo is the largest of all three. Edler has been touted as the franchise defenseman of the Canucks for a season or so now. Although after his pathetic showing in the playoffs, it's obvious he won't be. Trade him now while his value is at it's peak, and get someone who can be the franchise defenseman. While Bieksa wasn't nuch better than Edler, he still should be considered. Tanev and MAG are young enough that they can develop. The defense is far too timid and positionally challenged to get us very far into the playoffs anymore. Sorry but blaming either goaltender (both of whom stood on their heads) is ignorant. Both were hung out to dry on numerous occasions, both during regular season play and the playoffs. The team doesn't need a rebuild, but defense does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I just have something in my eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 stats are a measurement of performance..good or bad...its like a report card from school ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L'Orange Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 No, Ballard did not play better than almost any other defenseman. He played better than he has for us in the past, but that is not saying much. He's in AV's doghouse because he generally gives the puck away more than any other defenseman, and yet his risky plays result in offense far less than any other defenseman. Saying he does not belong in a doghouse is the only moronic thing here. Funny thing - this playoffs was the first time any defenseman had more giveaways per minutes played than Ballard (no one had come even close before). And yet, based on that 5-game sample size, some morons want to dump allstar Edler and promote doghouse Ballard... On that note... First off, after some glaring errors in the playoffs that make it "obvious he won't be" a franchise defenseman, why would his value be now at it's peak? Wouldn't it be lower now than...pretty much any time over the past season? Secondly, in the past, Edler has been very solid in the playoffs. For whatever reason, he had a rough 5 games this year. But he just turned 26, he's still on the upward trajectory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L'Orange Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 That's a decent defensive response. You are seriously going to judge Edler on 5 games coming off of back surgery? You must be BEGGING to trade Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L'Orange Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I don;t disagree that our D can use a tweak, but to think that the D is responsible for Lou's problems is just nuts. Schneider plays for same defense and is miles better than Lou. Saying the D plays better with Schneider is suggesting that our defense is better than people say, because they respond to Schneider and he only gives up 1.96 goals per game. so, wheres the argument for lou?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 No. Kesler has proven to be an elite player. How he played against Nashville during the glorious Cup run was unprecedented. I would never trade Kesler. Although AV's comments must not be doing the relationship much good. Edler was playing quite well during the regular season, laying out punishing hits, kind of proving he was physically able to do so. His inconsistency is the issue. One game he goes coast to coast on the Blue Jackets, another he's back passing to the most dangerous forward on the Los Angeles Kings. You can't blame back surgery for that. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derr12 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Defence always make "Gaffs" or the opposition's offence, out-plays them. If that didn't happen, you wouldn't need goalies. If a goalie only makes the saves he's supposed ot make when the rest of the team all do their jobs to perfection, you could use a cardboard cutout in net. Lu has failed to be the difference maker when it mattered and has too often been outplayed by the other goalie. Tim Thomas "was" that difference last year. Quick, "was" that difference this year against the Nucks. Lu is a good goalie but has failed to raise his level of play to the necessary level when it matters most. Not all teh time, but enough to be the difference on the down side of the equation. IN all seven games last year, Thomas did not let in any untimely or easy goals...LU did. Thomas made some incredible, timely saves that gave his team the momentum to go on and win, Lu did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Burrows on thomas in overtime says hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L'Orange Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Outside of the Nashville series, Kesler has 4 goals in 46 playoff games. That is awful. But sure, let's trade Edler and hope Tanev and MAG will work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I was supporting both goalies. Too many times during the season, the Vancouver defense gets caught in their own end. Maybe what I am saying is that Vancouver desperately needs a couple of large, stay at home defenseman. Maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 So you'd trade Kesler. Ah I see. Just say it. Show some cajones! Edler should only be traded for a better defensman. Most likely in conjunction with another roster player or two. But if you just want to see him traded for nothing in return...........go ahead. I hope that works for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABurrows14 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I loled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Question Do you have anything intelligent to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L'Orange Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I don;t disagree with you but the topic here is that the D are responsible for Lous ...and I'm not disagreeing with you but the topic here is that the D are responsible for Lous problems and I disagree with that, because Schneids has played better in front of same D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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