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Posted 15 June 2012 - 12:46 PM

So if the police are chasing some guy and he runs into his friends house, the police follow him in, the bad dudes homeowner friend(s) blows them away as the police enter "illegally". Homeowner is cleared of all charges while his buddy runs away free for another day. Sounds like a brilliant plan, good job Indiana thinking things through.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 12:56 PM

So if the police are chasing some guy and he runs into his friends house, the police follow him in, the bad dudes homeowner friend(s) blows them away as the police enter "illegally". Homeowner is cleared of all charges while his buddy runs away free for another day. Sounds like a brilliant plan, good job Indiana thinking things through.



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Posted 15 June 2012 - 01:30 PM

Busting into someone's home and spraying bullets at him and potentially children. Wow that must of taken a lot of guts.


I hope you're not implying I'm ok with that :lol:

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I have no reservations when it comes to speaking my mind. I live in Canada, it doesn't take guts because I have rights. If you're a pig, you're welcome to come see me and I'll tell you what I think. PM me for address.


Still with the bravado in the last part :/ Of course you're free to speak you're mind, call 'em pigs all you want, there certainly are some that deserve the title... considering your post and the context of the thread topic, to some it could look like you're labelling them all as pigs.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 01:33 PM

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You calling me ignorant? My post was full of sarcasm moron. However, I guarantee some lawyer will try and spin it in that direction. And are you telling me that Indiana has not change that law? They seem to make stupid ones up as they go along who's to say they didn't change that one either.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 01:40 PM

Sounds like a law we need.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 02:19 PM

Still with the bravado in the last part :/ Of course you're free to speak you're mind, call 'em pigs all you want, there certainly are some that deserve the title... considering your post and the context of the thread topic, to some it could look like you're labelling them all as pigs.


It was a joke. =/

Didn't you see that one thread of mine commending an officer? T'was a good one.

You calling me ignorant? My post was full of sarcasm moron. However, I guarantee some lawyer will try and spin it in that direction. And are you telling me that Indiana has not change that law? They seem to make stupid ones up as they go along who's to say they didn't change that one either.


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Posted 15 June 2012 - 02:26 PM

a warrant is presented before entering.


how is a cop able to obtain a warrant is is he responding to a domestic disturbance call or worse happening within the home right away?This law is very dangerous and the police should strike as a response.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 02:44 PM

It was a joke. =/

Didn't you see that one thread of mine commending an officer? T'was a good one.



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Posted 15 June 2012 - 02:44 PM

It was a joke. =/

Didn't you see that one thread of mine commending an officer? T'was a good one.



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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:05 PM

Here's the problem with the law. A cop enters a home with a legal permit. The homeowner gets pissed because he hates cops (probably because he is a criminal). The homeowner remembers hearing about this law and, being the idiot that he is, thinks it's ok to now shoot the cop.


I believe the key word here is "unlawfully".

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:08 PM

I believe the key word here is "unlawfully".


The point I think he was trying to make is about an ignorant homeowner misunderstanding the law and thinking its ok to shoot the cop.More importantly in my opinion is the fact that this law will likely prevent cops from responding to emergency situations in a home for fear of being harmed. When responding to an emergency cops don't always have time to get a warrant and in cases such as domestic abuse aren't always invited in.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:24 PM

The point I think he was trying to make is about an ignorant homeowner misunderstanding the law and thinking its ok to shoot the cop.More importantly in my opinion is the fact that this law will likely prevent cops from responding to emergency situations in a home for fear of being harmed. When responding to an emergency cops don't always have time to get a warrant and in cases such as domestic abuse aren't always invited in.

Exactly. The law itself in a perfect world would seem reasonable; however, it's just open to SO much misunderstanding.

Furthermore, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to shoot or resist a cop entering into your house illegally. Anything that they do or find would be thrown out in court immediately.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:34 PM

I think that the law should be fully and explicitly specified as to certain situations that could occur as mentioned above.

At the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if homeowners did take it the wrong way considering there are way too many idiots alive.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:40 PM

lol - wha the heck was Indianna thinking :P

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:47 PM

how is a cop able to obtain a warrant is is he responding to a domestic disturbance call or worse happening within the home right away?This law is very dangerous and the police should strike as a response.


If the police believe there is somebody in distress within the home, they are legally allowed to enter it.
This law only applies to cops who are outside of their rights as a police officer.

And do people honestly believe that people are going to just shooting up police officers if they come in there home now?

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:49 PM

If the police believe there is somebody in distress within the home, they are legally allowed to enter it.
This law only applies to cops who are outside of their rights as a police officer.

And do people honestly believe that people are going to just shooting up police officers if they come in there home now?


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Posted 15 June 2012 - 04:04 PM

People in the States man.. people in the States..


Hmm... true...

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 04:10 PM

Here's the problem with the law. A cop enters a home with a legal permit. The homeowner gets pissed because he hates cops (probably because he is a criminal). The homeowner remembers hearing about this law and, being the idiot that he is, thinks it's ok to now shoot the cop.


This is the problem as I see it as well. It will give criminals even more of a "shoot first" idea in their heads.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 01:57 AM

I believe the key word here is "unlawfully".


My point is, you're essentially allowing the homeowner to decide what is "unlawful" and what is not. He may realize he was wrong later, but the cop is still dead.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 02:41 AM

My point is, you're essentially allowing the homeowner to decide what is "unlawful" and what is not. He may realize he was wrong later, but the cop is still dead.

Exactly. And he'll be defending his actions with this point in court.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 10:39 AM

When is shoot first, ask questions later ever acceptable? I think this will lead to unnecessary loss of life. Too much potential for misunderstanding.

I remember a scenario that happened to my parents. Somehow our phone called 911 on its own, police (Abby PD) showed up and my dad was working the in backyard and couldn't hear the door at first. While the police were banging on the door 911 received another call, the officers got nervous, were about to break down the door when my dad came around.

Now my dad is a very stubborn guy and did not want to let them search the house, so they were arguing for a while. Basically he told them he didn't call 911 and to go away. They did their sweep anyways, and it was determined the phone was broken and was auto-dialing 911 then hanging up over and over, unplug the broken phone and the calls stopped, plug it back in and they started again. Everyone had a laugh and that was that.

I would hate to think that in Indiana there could be some dead police, my dad wouldn't have shot them but some NRA idiot (bias alert) might. Sad to think since they were really only there to make sure my mom wasn't being beaten or murdered. They were literally seconds away from breaking into the home, and from my dad's POV basically showed up and demanded to be let inside for no reason, being the only one home, he rejected their claim that he had called 911 immediately, my dad had every right to *assume* their presence/entry was unlawful, even though it was not.

As such, I don't think this is the appropriate answer to police unlawfully entering property. How about one unlawful entry and you are forever banned from law enforcement (a much lighter punishment than death), that way police would never make an unlawful entry in an attempt to catch a criminal. Same incentive to avoid unlawful entry at all costs, same incentive to understand lawful entry clearly, and less body bags.
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Posted 17 June 2012 - 11:01 AM

When is shoot first, ask questions later ever acceptable? I think this will lead to unnecessary loss of life. Too much potential for misunderstanding.

I remember a scenario that happened to my parents. Somehow our phone called 911 on its own, police (Abby PD) showed up and my dad was working the in backyard and couldn't hear the door at first. While the police were banging on the door 911 received another call, the officers got nervous, were about to break down the door when my dad came around.

Now my dad is a very stubborn guy and did not want to let them search the house, so they were arguing for a while. Basically he told them he didn't call 911 and to go away. They did their sweep anyways, and it was determined the phone was broken and was auto-dialing 911 then hanging up over and over, unplug the broken phone and the calls stopped, plug it back in and they started again. Everyone had a laugh and that was that.

I would hate to think that in Indiana there could be some dead police, my dad wouldn't have shot them but some NRA idiot (bias alert) might. Sad to think since they were really only there to make sure my mom wasn't being beaten or murdered. They were literally seconds away from breaking into the home, and from my dad's POV basically showed up and demanded to be let inside for no reason, being the only one home, he rejected their claim that he had called 911 immediately, my dad had every right to *assume* their presence/entry was unlawful, even though it was not.

As such, I don't think this is the appropriate answer to police unlawfully entering property. How about one unlawful entry and you are forever banned from law enforcement (a much lighter punishment than death), that way police would never make an unlawful entry in an attempt to catch a criminal. Same incentive to avoid unlawful entry at all costs, same incentive to understand lawful entry clearly, and less body bags.


Had trouble with the phone as well.

Tried to dial nine "to get an outside line" then one for long distance and 911 was called somehow.

They were polite and professional but very persistent when I said "WTF"?
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