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#211 InTheCrease

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:26 AM

How would that work, he plays the same position as Booth................HE WOULD BE sick with Kesler and Raymond though!


Shift Booth to the other side. I think Raymond would drag that line down huge. I would much rather have some bigger talent played on their off wing than Raymond there.

Although it would depend on which Raymond showed up to play.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:29 AM

Doesn't work that way... only happens if the Jets trade his rights to the Canucks first. Which would come with a hefty price attached. Schneider, Kesler, Edler, someone like that.


wow Kane is good.. but not those three players for Kane!!! Kane for Kesler straight up.. And hope with winger like kane and both that JS is good enough!!
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:32 AM

I don't understand this argument at all. Wouldn't he have a better chance at succeeding on a far inferior team?
I agree with the other points though.

Not with the ice time he would be getting, no. He would definitely be playing behind Enstrom, Byfuglien, Bogosien, and Stuart. Again, 3rd line duty. Only Edler would be worth it as he is younger and better than Stuart. I would take Stuart any day of the week though over Ballard.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:32 AM

wow Kane is good.. but not those three players for Kane!!! Kane for Kesler straight up.. And hope with winger like kane and both that JS is good enough!!


I agree not all three players, but it would take more than just Kesler for sure.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:33 AM

Luongo for Kane still on?

Edited by CHIPS, 24 August 2012 - 09:34 AM.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:35 AM

Pavelec is a beast. Team MVP last year and is only getting better. The last thing we need is a goalie. Pav extended long term for a reason.

As for Kane, I sure hope this isn't true. I agree that the fans were a little hard on him at times and rumours were flying through the first half of last season. However, I don't wanna get into those rumours. The kid is young and maybe made some mistakes but he means well. He worked hard to improve his image and I am confident that he will grow up to be a great hockey player and a great person for the city or Winnipeg.

I sure hope he didn't request a trade. I would be devastated. I already bought a number 9 Kane jersey!


As a Hawks fan I would love to trade for Evander and I'm sure every Canucks fan wants him too. But I'd like to see Evander stay in Winnipeg, the franchise is still young and they can't afford to lose any star power.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:55 AM

I, like others in this thread, am not sold on Kane. His skills are undeniable, but my fear is that his skill set wouldn't fit with what has been built here. He is a run and gun type player while we play a puck possession game. The only way I could see a fit for him would be to build a line around him. In my mind, this would make players like Booth and Kesler expendable and would change the mindset of our strategy. This, however, could change the fortunes of a guy like Raymond. A line of Kane, Schroeder and Raymond could be a nightmare for any team. The speed would be sick and the dynamics of such a line could be legendary if they could gel. The thing that would be awesome is that all three can also play a defensive game.

As for his personality issues; Maybe coming to a more veteran team with a lot of skill would help him to grow up a bit and lose his attitude. This, however, is where the biggest risk could be and where my hesitancy lies. If a deal were done to get him and his issues couldn't be overcome, we will have given up a lot and wound up with a lot of personality issues in the dressing room. As of now we have a solid second line center around whom we can build. I don't see Kane as a good fit with him.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:00 AM

And by the way, IF the Canucks were to get Kane, they would have to give up Edler and Burrows to make it happen.


Done. I'd trade 2 players that will be UFA next year for a young power forward 1st line winger.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:00 AM

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:15 AM

Done. I'd trade 2 players that will be UFA next year for a young power forward 1st line winger.

We can't trade Edler, he's our only hope of having a #1 D man next year. Unless if we can trade a goalie for a number D man, Edler has to stay.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:22 AM

We can't trade Edler, he's our only hope of having a #1 D man next year. Unless if we can trade a goalie for a number D man, Edler has to stay.


Sometimes you gotta give to get. Just following MG motto...get younger, bigger, faster. Kane has that in spades.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 11:05 AM

I, like others in this thread, am not sold on Kane. His skills are undeniable, but my fear is that his skill set wouldn't fit with what has been built here. He is a run and gun type player while we play a puck possession game. The only way I could see a fit for him would be to build a line around him. In my mind, this would make players like Booth and Kesler expendable and would change the mindset of our strategy. This, however, could change the fortunes of a guy like Raymond. A line of Kane, Schroeder and Raymond could be a nightmare for any team. The speed would be sick and the dynamics of such a line could be legendary if they could gel. The thing that would be awesome is that all three can also play a defensive game.

As for his personality issues; Maybe coming to a more veteran team with a lot of skill would help him to grow up a bit and lose his attitude. This, however, is where the biggest risk could be and where my hesitancy lies. If a deal were done to get him and his issues couldn't be overcome, we will have given up a lot and wound up with a lot of personality issues in the dressing room. As of now we have a solid second line center around whom we can build. I don't see Kane as a good fit with him.


You worry too much. Find me a young guy on a team who isn't full of himself? He is a young 20s guy. Partying and scoring tail is high on his list of priorites too....much like every guy I know regardless of age. He would fit here no problem as far as I am concerned. It sounds as though you are making him out to be Randy Moss or TO. He can learn to play a different game too. It's not as though he has never been reigned in by a coach before. I would do what it takes to get this guy. This is exactly what this franchise needs. A possible home grown future star.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 11:35 AM

Evander Kane's skill would be awesome, but everyone talks about his off ice personality. I think it sort of depends on whether his teammates like him or not. I've heard plenty of stories about Kesler being a prick off the ice, but he still fits into the dressing and isn't a locker room cancer as far as I know. Kane might be a bit of a douche in public, but as long that doesn't ruin our locker room chemistry, it could be alright.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 11:51 AM

I'd trade a lot to bring this kid to vancouver even if he is a dick.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 12:15 PM

Jets need Luongo, simple as that. No more over analysing Edler+ for Kane, it's not going to happen. Luongo is on the block so add whatever needs to be added with Luongo as a centrepiece and make it happen!

If we lose Edler we lose whatever chance we have to go deep in the playoffs.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 12:25 PM

I love the Canucks, but not as much as the Jets. So please listen when I say that all the proposals listed are not enough or they are assets the Jets do not need.

1. Taking Luongo's NTC out of the equation, the Jets have no need for him (the same goes for Schneider). I'll give you a hint why. His name rhymes with "Smavlac."

2. Raymond is useless on any team. Why the Jets want to get weaker is beyond comprehension.

3. First round picks from the Canucks do not mean a lot when dealing w/ a player the caliber of Evander Kane.

4. Ballard is a complete waste. If he cannot succeed on the Canucks, he has no hope with the Jets, a far inferior team.


If Kane wants to be a spoiled brat and play for only one team, then that team will have to pay through the nose to get him. Remember, this is much different than Rick Nash, Dany Heatley, Roberto Luongo, Chris Pronger, etc. Kane is a RFA and has no bargaining power. The Jets hold all the cards. He can be a big boy and sign a new contract and grow up; or, he can sit out and not play at all. Either way, the Jets won't trade him to his favourite destination just because Kane says so.

And by the way, IF the Canucks were to get Kane, they would have to give up Edler and Burrows to make it happen.

I'd be fine with trading two UFA bound players to get a player of his calibre locked up for 5 or 6 years. He is what this team needs.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 12:43 PM

Sometimes you gotta give to get. Just following MG motto...get younger, bigger, faster. Kane has that in spades.

Kane would help our offence a lot but he isn't worth destroying our defence. Without Edler our defence looks pretty bad.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 12:51 PM

It's also unrealistic. Winnipeg doesn't want a whole bunch of pieces, they will be looking for a bird in hand, not two in the bush.


CBJ got a whole bunch of scrap pieces for Nash. And Nash would have more trade value as he is proven. Kane is supposedly a team cancer and is not a leader such as Nash. Therefore his value should be less.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 12:54 PM

Jets need Luongo, simple as that. No more over analysing Edler+ for Kane, it's not going to happen. Luongo is on the block so add whatever needs to be added with Luongo as a centrepiece and make it happen!

If we lose Edler we lose whatever chance we have to go deep in the playoffs.


Of course Luongo would be willing to waive his NTC right?

I mean Winnipeg must be close to Florida, since they are in the Southeast Division.


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Not gonna happen.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 01:08 PM

I love the Canucks, but not as much as the Jets. So please listen when I say that all the proposals listed are not enough or they are assets the Jets do not need.

1. Taking Luongo's NTC out of the equation, the Jets have no need for him (the same goes for Schneider). I'll give you a hint why. His name rhymes with "Smavlac."

2. Raymond is useless on any team. Why the Jets want to get weaker is beyond comprehension.

3. First round picks from the Canucks do not mean a lot when dealing w/ a player the caliber of Evander Kane.

4. Ballard is a complete waste. If he cannot succeed on the Canucks, he has no hope with the Jets, a far inferior team.


If Kane wants to be a spoiled brat and play for only one team, then that team will have to pay through the nose to get him. Remember, this is much different than Rick Nash, Dany Heatley, Roberto Luongo, Chris Pronger, etc. Kane is a RFA and has no bargaining power. The Jets hold all the cards. He can be a big boy and sign a new contract and grow up; or, he can sit out and not play at all. Either way, the Jets won't trade him to his favourite destination just because Kane says so.

And by the way, IF the Canucks were to get Kane, they would have to give up Edler and Burrows to make it happen.


Thank goodness you are not the GM of Winnipeg. You would never get a deal done!!! Who wants a player, who doesn't want to play on their team! Remember Nabokov? He came around eventually but he sure wasn't happy about it at first. So no it isn't THAT different from Nash, Luongo etc. And like them his trade value is lowered because it is known he wants out! He is also known as a team cancer so lower his value even more. He has potential but hasn't had a brilliant season yet. He has also had injuries so lower his value even more. I'm not saying his value isn't high, just it isn't Edler AND Burrows level. Take off your homer glasses. Edler is a top 15 D-men in the League, possibly top 10. Burrows is the life and soul of our team while Kane is the cancer of yours, does that seem like a fair trade to you? It shouldn't any more. You also said your team would have no interest in Ballard because he hasn't been exceptional in a Canucks jersey and you say he wouldn't be any better on an inferior team. I think we would all call the Florida Panthers an inferior team and he was great there. He probably just needs new scenery and a different coach than A.V. that never seemed to want him in the first place.

Also Schneider>Pavelec every day of the week buddy.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 02:24 PM

I would love to have a 21 year old power forward, home town boy, future all star on the Canucks.

MG should find a way to get Kane in a Canucks jersey if he's made available.

He's young, big, scores, and willing to drop the gloves.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:20 PM

You guys are obviously basing your opinion on stats and not on games watched. Pavelec was a beast all year and incredibly consistent until the last ~10 games. He carried the team to very respectable numbers while the team dropped him to just terrible numbers. Luongo/Schneider would not have better numbers in front of this defense.

Anybody who watched the Jets consistently would tell you that we're set in goal. It's the only position we're set in.

It sounds like you've watched them more than I have. What would you say is their biggest weakness then? Do we have the pieces to fill that weakness?

CBJ got a whole bunch of scrap pieces for Nash. And Nash would have more trade value as he is proven. Kane is supposedly a team cancer and is not a leader such as Nash. Therefore his value should be less.

This is true, but Tallon isn't the GM of Winnipeg, and Winnipeg is not in the same situation that Columbus was. I can't see Winnipeg taking a bunch of B's, C's, and some picks for their only A+.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:26 PM

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:30 PM

wow Kane is good.. but not those three players for Kane!!! Kane for Kesler straight up.. And hope with winger like kane and both that JS is good enough!!


Umm, no, we're not getting rid of our star 2nd line center for a winger. That wouldn't even make sense... you think Shroeder is good enough to be a 2nd line center on an elite team with 0 NHL experience? <_<
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:40 PM

WPG: 2013 1st, 2014 1st, Edler
VAN: Kane+
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:43 PM

Jets need Luongo, simple as that. No more over analysing Edler+ for Kane, it's not going to happen. Luongo is on the block so add whatever needs to be added with Luongo as a centrepiece and make it happen!

If we lose Edler we lose whatever chance we have to go deep in the playoffs.

No they don't. You obviously haven't watched Pavelec play.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:46 PM

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 04:44 PM

Lol Some jets fans are saying they would like hamhuis+ In exchange for Kane. It would be terrifying Without hamhuis in the Canucks lineup.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 04:46 PM

LOL. HI claims Montreal offered Subban, Bourque and Eller for Kane :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 05:56 PM

Yeah, I would rather not lose any of Bieksa, Edler, or Hamhuis unless we were getting a replacement, because we don't have one.
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