Jump to content

Welcome to canucks.com Vancouver Canucks homepage

Photo
- - - - -

Are The Bluejackets Really That Far Off?


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
19 replies to this topic

#1 DownUndaCanuck

DownUndaCanuck

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,656 posts
  • Joined: 28-July 07

Posted 16 June 2012 - 06:33 AM

I know Nash is pretty much officially on the market, but just looking up and down their roster it doesn't look like the BJ's are that far off from being a successful team in the NHL. There were only 2 Bluejackets who played every game last season, these guys were destroyed by intermittent injuries. Maybe one or two pieces here and there, but they shouldn't be in a full-rebuild mode considering some of these amazing pieces:

1) Nash - He should still be in his prime, 30-40 goal scoring ability for the next 3 to 4 seasons.
2) Brassard - 2 consecutive 40-point seasons and makes a great 2nd line center with potential.
3) Prospal - Getting old now coming off a 55 point season but most likely a 40 point player
4) Umberger - 4 consecutive 20-goal seasons, still young and likely to clear 50 points again.
5) Huselius - Played 2 games last season, this guy has 20-goal potential too.
6) Letestu - Still young but as had 2 seasons on pace for 30 points which is great for a 3rd liner.
7) Ryan Johansen - Still just 19 but has potential to break out any season now, one of their best wings
8) Cam Atkinson - Scored at a 20-goal, 40 point pace last season, small but plenty of potential

To me those are all some great middle-tier, 20 goal/40 point players who all have great potential to break through soon and have a career year within the next 2 or 3 seasons (especially Johansen, Atkinson, Brassard and Letestu).

The same goes for their surprisingly studded defence:

1) Nikitin - Still young but scored at a 10-goal, 40 point pace which is great for a defenceman
2) Jack Johnson - 15 goal, 50 point pace with the Bluejackets and he's only getting better
3) Wisnewski - Scored at a 10-goal, 40 point pace and in his prime, very physical too
4) Tyutin - Veteran Russian who can guide Nikitin, scoring at a 30-point pace too
5) David Savard - Young, big defenceman scored at a 30-point pace
6) Marc Methot - Giant defenceman, very physical and still only 26

That's a very offensive-minded defence that can score, especially their big-3 (similar to the Canucks). The problem with their top-4 is defensive positioning, which they could fix up with tighter coaching or bringing in a defensive specialist ala Garrisson, Allen, Vandemeer etc.

Their only serious problem is goaltending, which is unsalvageable unless Mason can somehow turn out a good season here or there (which, as a high draft pick, he can do). With Columbus likely to grab either Yakupov or another dynamic forward, they could slot them right into the top-6 to play alongside Nash and suddenly you have a very dangerous top-9 forward group.
Posted Image

#2 Patrick Jane

Patrick Jane

    Comets Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 777 posts
  • Joined: 06-February 12

Posted 16 June 2012 - 06:37 AM

With Nash getting traded theyll add more depth and be a better team in two years from now.
Posted Image
Drouin#27 Halifax Mooseheads Star

Credit to Canucks Top Scorer

#3 cs2016

cs2016

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,358 posts
  • Joined: 31-December 11

Posted 16 June 2012 - 06:45 AM

Draft Murray and trade Nash for a goaltender or top four d-man. But CBJ will still have a couple years of sucking before improvements start to show.

#4 SpursCanuck

SpursCanuck

    K-Wing Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 88 posts
  • Joined: 15-June 12

Posted 16 June 2012 - 07:25 AM

They still need a net minder, top 4 defenceman and a first line centre. They will be pants for at least a few more years, no questioned asked.
Posted Image

#5 ajhockey

ajhockey

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,775 posts
  • Joined: 16-July 10

Posted 16 June 2012 - 10:56 AM

I see what you mean. I was thinking the same thing about the Kings, when they were doing lousy.

Even Edmonton a few years ago. They weren't really bad enough to get last twice in a row. It's just that things didn't click well for them.

Edited by ajhockey, 16 June 2012 - 11:03 AM.

14ndb35.jpg
Credit to -Vintage Canuck- for the awesome sig!

"Gino, Gino, Gino, Gino!"
Rest In Peace, Rypien, Demitra, and Bourdon


#6 Tortorella's Rant

Tortorella's Rant

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,339 posts
  • Joined: 11-April 12

Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:25 PM

Until they can actually make the playoffs, they're light years away.
Posted Image

#7 canucklax

canucklax

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,958 posts
  • Joined: 08-July 09

Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:28 PM

Its not scoring that was an issue for them, it was defense,

nash -19, brassard -20 tyutin -21 it goes on

also your starting "goalie" in steve mason had a 3.39 gaa, no team can put in 4 goals every game in order to win

Bring Back the Totems!
 


#8 allkill326

allkill326

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,270 posts
  • Joined: 30-May 12

Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:32 PM

I would expect to see a Luongo-Sanford pair, if Luongo were to be traded to the Blue Jackets...
Posted Image

#9 Jaku

Jaku

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,186 posts
  • Joined: 21-February 08

Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:38 PM

They need to have a little more stay at home defense. The entire team's +/- has looked pretty bad.
R.I.P- #37 Rick Rypien, #28 Luc Bourdon, #38 Pavol Demitra Forever Canucks.
Posted Image
Credit to Khalifawiz501 for the Sig.
Posted ImageColorado Avalanche GM in CDC STHS Sim League

#10 RyanKeslord17

RyanKeslord17

    Canucks First-Line

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,895 posts
  • Joined: 22-January 11

Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:40 PM

All they need is Luongo :bigblush:
Posted Image

#11 Phil_314

Phil_314

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,432 posts
  • Joined: 07-November 09

Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:43 PM

yeah, Mason wasn't near good enough...

depending on who they get for Nash they could be back on track to compete in the not-too-distant future, since like you said OP they have good complementary pieces but they haven't been able to put it together offensively. It's easier to get the complementary guys than the franchise studs, which was why so much was put into the Carter acquisition. They don't have a #1 center (Johansen could be one), plus despite all their high draft picks (Brassard, Mason, Filatov, Voracek...) they haven't had as much success as expected with some major flops. So no, they're not that far off, they only need several pieces, but those are major pieces (starting G, 1st C)

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.


Jesus LOVES YOU!
2012, meet Matthew 24:36-47!

14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.


#12 Jägermeister

Jägermeister

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,272 posts
  • Joined: 24-May 12

Posted 16 June 2012 - 02:03 PM

Players such as Brassard, Letestu, and Atkinson aren't nearly as good as their point totals indicate. They are all okay 3rd line players, but since Columbus' roster is weak they were given 2nd line minutes. They are young so there is a chance they might become legit 2nd line players, but they aren't there right now.
Their defence got a lot better by acquiring Johnson. Before then they didn't have a real top pairing D man (debatable for Wisniewski, but he is mistake prone and was injured for much of the season), so I think their D might be quite a bit better than previous years.
Their biggest problem is certainly goaltending, Mason simply cannot get the job done. If they got a real starting goaltender, I think they could be a playoff bubble team this year.

Jagermeister.jpg


#13 El_Capitan

El_Capitan

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,610 posts
  • Joined: 24-December 03

Posted 16 June 2012 - 04:16 PM

They can't draft worth crap. Might as well trade their picks for prospects from the last years draft.

Posted Image


#14 Dion Phaneuf

Dion Phaneuf

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,772 posts
  • Joined: 05-May 12

Posted 16 June 2012 - 05:34 PM

I considered them a playoff team. They still have the pieces but they really need a goalie. Steve Mason is the weakest link.

Edited by A1 CANUCK, 16 June 2012 - 05:34 PM.

gallery_47851_23_84084.png

medium.png - CDCGML 483288048.png - EHL medium.png - STHS medium.png - CDCFL


#15 canuckelhead70

canuckelhead70

    Comets Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 609 posts
  • Joined: 07-April 12

Posted 17 June 2012 - 05:27 AM

If you don't take in the fact that they finished 30 points out of the play-offs and truly believe they are going to be able to jump over 8 teams in future then ya they are real close, but so is my house league team, we're real close too.

#16 DownUndaCanuck

DownUndaCanuck

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,656 posts
  • Joined: 28-July 07

Posted 17 June 2012 - 05:55 AM

Well if you compare the Bluejackets players to the rest of the league, they only need a few pieces:

Nash (All-star 1st liner) - Brassard (10-20 points off where he should be) - Huselius (25-goal scorer, 10 points off)
Prospal (Ideal 2nd liner) - Umberger (20 goals, ideal 2nd liner) - Johansen (ideal 2nd liner if he can continue his progression)
Dorsett (12 goals, 235 PIMs) - Letestu (above-average 3rd liner) - Atkinson (0.5 PPG, ideal 3rd liner)
Mackenzie (7G) - Gilles - Boll

That's your standard fighter 4th line with about as much offence as Malhotra and Weise brought.
That's a 3rd line which actually out-produced the Canucks' 3rd line in terms of pace (especially Letestu)
That's a perfect-mix 2nd line with good size and grit (Umberger), speed and youth(Johansen), experience (Prospal) and all are skilled guys which is how you win Cups nowadays.
Their top line obviously could produce a bit more, especially Brassard, but we saw Boston win a Cup with no player at a point a game all season long. Columbus has surprising depth, especially at center, and where their stars don't score, their defence does with 3 defencemen scoring at over a 0.5 PPG click (J. Johnson, Nikitin, Wisnewski) who would have out-scored the Canucks big trio if they were healthy all season long.

Like I said, their main problem is goaltending and they could fix that very easily with their #1 overall pick.
Posted Image

#17 Mr. White

Mr. White

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,554 posts
  • Joined: 22-May 12

Posted 17 June 2012 - 10:58 AM

They still need a net minder, top 4 defenceman and a first line centre. They will be pants for at least a few more years, no questioned asked.


dude i love your sig. thats awesome!
Posted Image
^VanCauck93^

#18 cIutch

cIutch

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,285 posts
  • Joined: 13-April 12

Posted 17 June 2012 - 12:30 PM

i think they are closer then the oilers
Posted Image

#19 ButterBean

ButterBean

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,228 posts
  • Joined: 23-February 09

Posted 17 June 2012 - 04:43 PM

They lack goaltending, a bonafide 1st line center, a good defensive defenseman or a #1 guy, and their 3rd line doesn't have anyone that impresses me. They're still pretty far away for a playoff spot, I laughed at people claiming them contenders last year just because they had Carter.

#20 Legend Killer

Legend Killer

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,186 posts
  • Joined: 23-May 07

Posted 17 June 2012 - 06:22 PM

Nash is a defensive liability, the return they get for him will make them better.
Posted Image
For the first time in a long time.. the future looks bright..




Canucks.com is the official Web site of The Vancouver Canucks. The Vancouver Canucks and Canucks.com are trademarks of The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership.  NHL and the word mark and image of the Stanley Cup are registered trademarks and the NHL Shield and NHL Conference logos are trademarks of the National Hockey League. All NHL logos and marks and NHL team logos and marks as well as all other proprietary materials depicted herein are the property of the NHL and the respective NHL teams and may not be reproduced without the prior written consent of NHL Enterprises, L.P.  Copyright © 2009 The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership and the National Hockey League.  All Rights Reserved.