King of the ES Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 To VAN -Evander Kane -Nik Antropov To WPG -Cory Schneider -Keith Ballard -2012 1st *UNDERLYING ASSUMPTION* - Pavelec bolts for the KHL Vancouver does this to solve their obvious goalie conundrum, and bring back a local, face-of-the-franchise type in Evander Kane, who's had his problems in Winnipeg. Antropov is on the last year of his bloated contract, so he could be motivated to earn one more, and he's a massive body with decent scoring touch. Winnipeg does this to get their goalie for the next decade, someone already established with the local fanbase who has had great success in the city. Keith Ballard is also from just south of Manitoba, and he has clearly not been a fit here, so there's rehab potential in that instance, much like they rehabbed Kyle Wellwood last year. IMO, it makes sense to hold onto Luongo. Especially if there's any confidence/excitement about Lack. Luongo's a known commodity. He's not the best in the league, but he's probably in the top 10, and he has been for many, many years. Trading him now is selling low, which is almost always a bad strategy. I think that the smarter play, pretty clearly, is trading Schneider, and getting back a young, franchise-type to build around. And yes, I think Kane might be available, given this price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I don't know if Winnipeg takes this. Schneider and Kane are equal at best, in all likelihood Kane has more value. And despite Antropov's struggles last year, he is still a very capable top 6 forward, and I think he is still more valuable than people realize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanEberle Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 To VAN -Evander Kane -Nik Antropov To WPG -Cory Schneider -Keith Ballard -2012 1st *UNDERLYING ASSUMPTION* - Pavelec bolts for the KHL Vancouver does this to solve their obvious goalie conundrum, and bring back a local, face-of-the-franchise type in Evander Kane, who's had his problems in Winnipeg. Antropov is on the last year of his bloated contract, so he could be motivated to earn one more, and he's a massive body with decent scoring touch. Winnipeg does this to get their goalie for the next decade, someone already established with the local fanbase who has had great success in the city. Keith Ballard is also from just south of Manitoba, and he has clearly not been a fit here, so there's rehab potential in that instance, much like they rehabbed Kyle Wellwood last year. IMO, it makes sense to hold onto Luongo. Especially if there's any confidence/excitement about Lack. Luongo's a known commodity. He's not the best in the league, but he's probably in the top 10, and he has been for many, many years. Trading him now is selling low, which is almost always a bad strategy. I think that the smarter play, pretty clearly, is trading Schneider, and getting back a young, franchise-type to build around. And yes, I think Kane might be available, given this price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kooner91 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 To VAN -Evander Kane -Nik Antropov To WPG -Cory Schneider -Keith Ballard -2012 1st *UNDERLYING ASSUMPTION* - Pavelec bolts for the KHL Vancouver does this to solve their obvious goalie conundrum, and bring back a local, face-of-the-franchise type in Evander Kane, who's had his problems in Winnipeg. Antropov is on the last year of his bloated contract, so he could be motivated to earn one more, and he's a massive body with decent scoring touch. Winnipeg does this to get their goalie for the next decade, someone already established with the local fanbase who has had great success in the city. Keith Ballard is also from just south of Manitoba, and he has clearly not been a fit here, so there's rehab potential in that instance, much like they rehabbed Kyle Wellwood last year. IMO, it makes sense to hold onto Luongo. Especially if there's any confidence/excitement about Lack. Luongo's a known commodity. He's not the best in the league, but he's probably in the top 10, and he has been for many, many years. Trading him now is selling low, which is almost always a bad strategy. I think that the smarter play, pretty clearly, is trading Schneider, and getting back a young, franchise-type to build around. And yes, I think Kane might be available, given this price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 I don't know if Winnipeg takes this. Schneider and Kane are equal at best, in all likelihood Kane has more value. And despite Antropov's struggles last year, he is still a very capable top 6 forward, and I think he is still more valuable than people realize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allkill326 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 To VAN -Evander Kane -Nik Antropov To WPG -Cory Schneider -Keith Ballard -2012 1st *UNDERLYING ASSUMPTION* - Pavelec bolts for the KHL Vancouver does this to solve their obvious goalie conundrum, and bring back a local, face-of-the-franchise type in Evander Kane, who's had his problems in Winnipeg. Antropov is on the last year of his bloated contract, so he could be motivated to earn one more, and he's a massive body with decent scoring touch. Winnipeg does this to get their goalie for the next decade, someone already established with the local fanbase who has had great success in the city. Keith Ballard is also from just south of Manitoba, and he has clearly not been a fit here, so there's rehab potential in that instance, much like they rehabbed Kyle Wellwood last year. IMO, it makes sense to hold onto Luongo. Especially if there's any confidence/excitement about Lack. Luongo's a known commodity. He's not the best in the league, but he's probably in the top 10, and he has been for many, many years. Trading him now is selling low, which is almost always a bad strategy. I think that the smarter play, pretty clearly, is trading Schneider, and getting back a young, franchise-type to build around. And yes, I think Kane might be available, given this price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Burrows Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Would rather Mark Stuart than Antropov. Kane isnt leaving the Jets for a while IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 Would rather Mark Stuart than Antropov. Kane isnt leaving the Jets for a while IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I like your thinking, but Winnipeg is seriously lacking in the top 6 forward department, and I have a hard time seeing them give up their most promising forward prospect with nothing up front in return. They don't want their entire franchise riding on Andrew Ladd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 This. One of their bigger needs is a top line center who can put up more than 50 points and yet the OP has them losing arguably their best winger plus one of their top 2 centers yet getting nothing to replace them with. Pavlec and the KHL is just a rumour, so they don't need goaltending apart from a backup, and the defence is not that bad. Think more along the lines of Kane for Kesler value wise, with pieces to balance it out. Here's my recent proposal: Kane and Burmistrov for Kesler, Rodin and a pick If we don't offer something they want, other teams will. Quantity does not equal quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 IF Pavalec goes to the K For: Kane's rights and Burmistrov Luongo (Bonafide elite goalie) 1st (would give them 2 top 30 picks) Raymond ( A speedy winger for their top 6) Tanev ( A good D prospect that would fit well on their roster) Schroeder(To Help soften the lost of Burmistrov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creid Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 By not trading Luongo, we're obligated to build our defense...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead420 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 By not trading Luongo, we're obligated to build our defense...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Pavelec is just a rumor, correct. But it's a potential outcome, and they'll need to move very fast if it happens. And from what we're being told, the probability of him leaving is quite high. High enough to necessitate discussion around trade, anyway. A "top line C that can get 50 points" becomes pretty low priority when your goalie bolts, and you've got none under contract for next season. Your proposal is clearly less desirable from Winnipeg's standpoint than mine, IMO. From Kane to Kesler is a lateral move right now, let alone the fact that they're getting a guy who's 7 years senior. And it's pretty obvious that Burmistrov is far, far more valuable than Anton Rodin. I have no idea why you think WPG would have any interest, whatsoever, in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Doctor Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Not a bad idea. I would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Forget Kane, we should go after Bogosian. Right handed d-man playing with Edler! Think of the possibilities! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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