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#1 bure10fan

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:01 PM

Josh Harding got signed by the wild today.



Lu and bernier are really the only 2 goalies availalbe.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:03 PM

let's just wait and see, people gotta stop counting their chickens before they hatch

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:07 PM

I find it funny how everything nowadays has to do with Luongo.

I'm sorry, but if a team was trying to decide between Josh Harding and Roberto Luongo, they're probably not all that serious about their goaltending situation and aren't ready to give the Canucks what they want.

I hate how people on here compare Roberto Luongo to guys like Harding and Lindback. Listen, the guys an elite goaltender. Unless you have a Miller, a Fleury or a Lundqvist out there in play, Goaltenders like Harding and Lindback shouldn't affect Luongo's trade value. He's in a league of his own, you don't decide between unproven potential career backups and a goaltender who has carried his team to the Stanley Cup Finals and is consistently one of the best regular season goaltenders.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:10 PM

I find it funny how everything nowadays has to do with Luongo.

I'm sorry, but if a team was trying to decide between Josh Harding and Roberto Luongo, they're probably not all that serious about their goaltending situation and aren't ready to give the Canucks what they want.

I hate how people on here compare Roberto Luongo to guys like Harding and Lindback. Listen, the guys an elite goaltender. Unless you have a Miller, a Fleury or a Lundqvist out there in play, Goaltenders like Harding and Lindback shouldn't affect Luongo's trade value. He's in a league of his own, you don't decide between unproven potential career backups and a goaltender who has carried his team to the Stanley Cup Finals and is consistently one of the best regular season goaltenders.


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:11 PM

Luongo would easily get Toronto, Tampa Bay or Florida in the playoffs.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:23 PM

i concur with Mr. Moody but it does leafs teams thinking about plan B, if they dont get luongo, with limited options, so they might try and make a stronger push for lu or schneids

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:23 PM

Luongo would easily get Toronto, Tampa Bay or Florida in the playoffs.


Luongo never got the Panthers into the playoffs.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:25 PM

Surely you mean Schneider's value just grew even more?

Gillis is going to do what's best for the club. With his desire to get younger, tougher and more skilled the choice comes down to which ever goaltender provides the best return. It could be Luongo, it could be Schneider. We won't know until it happens.

And for the record, for all of the names that are being thrown around by CDC'ers it's not going to be that. You should know that any trade Gillis makes comes entirely out of left field. Ballard, Booth, Kassian. NO ONE saw any of these trades or considered any of these players, if you weren't already aware of this fact then you aren't much of a Canucks fan.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:25 PM

I'm sorry, but if a team was trying to decide between Josh Harding and Roberto Luongo, they're probably not all that serious about their goaltending situation and aren't ready to give the Canucks what they want..


This pretty much sums it up.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:26 PM

Gillis is going to do what's best for the club. With his desire to get younger, tougher and more skilled if the choice comes down to which ever goaltender provides the best return. It could be Luongo, it could be Schneider. We won't know until it happens.
hese trades or considered any of these players, if you weren't already aware of this fact then you aren't much of a Canucks fan.


The desire to get younger includes Schneider. I'd say the return for Schneider would have to be far greater for us to deal him over Lu.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:51 PM

Luongo would easily get Toronto, Tampa Bay or Florida in the playoffs.


He never got Florida there before...and they made it there this year without him.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:51 PM

Re-sign Schneider to a 2 year deal. Let him prove he can handle an increased workload. If he works out then lock him up long-term, if he doesn't then trade him. There's nothing wrong with having two number one goaltenders.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:52 PM

The desire to get younger includes Schneider. I'd say the return for Schneider would have to be far greater for us to deal him over Lu.


The fact that you had to take the time to point this of all things out from my post just proves your lack of reading comprehension. Before you get all hasty and point out that I failed to read your post, the contexts of "what's best for the team", "desire to get younger, tougher and more skilled" and "whichever provides the best return" all cover what your "point" is.

The team is simply that, a team. Schneider is a good young goalie, and indeed it is our goal to get younger, however if trading Schneider addresses more issues with the overall roster than Luongo, you have to keep Luongo and move Schneider. Luongo is signed for term to a very manageable cap, and will provide years of solid goaltending until some of our other young goaltenders (Lack, Cannata) are able to make a mark in the NHL.

For all of Luongo's gaffs, he provides incredibly timely saves. I lay more blame at the feet of the coach, forwards and defence than at the feet of Luongo.

Lastly, I am a staunch Luongo hater, but I am objective enough to see that he is not the root of all that is wrong with this team and can intelligently assess the situation, albeit not nearly as precisely as Gillis but certainly much better than 99% of the muppets on this site.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:57 PM

The fact that you had to take the time to point this of all things out from my post just proves your lack of reading comprehension. Before you get all hasty and point out that I failed to read your post, the contexts of "what's best for the team", "desire to get younger, tougher and more skilled" and "whichever provides the best return" all cover what your "point" is.

The team is simply that, a team. Schneider is a good young goalie, and indeed it is our goal to get younger, however if trading Schneider addresses more issues with the overall roster than Luongo, you have to keep Luongo and move Schneider. Luongo is signed for term to a very manageable cap, and will provide years of solid goaltending until some of our other young goaltenders (Lack, Cannata) are able to make a mark in the NHL.

For all of Luongo's gaffs, he provides incredibly timely saves. I lay more blame at the feet of the coach, forwards and defence than at the feet of Luongo.

Lastly, I am a staunch Luongo hater, but I am objective enough to see that he is not the root of all that is wrong with this team and can intelligently assess the situation, albeit not nearly as precisely as Gillis but certainly much better than 99% of the muppets on this site.

Nice rant. Pretty accurate as well. I prefer Schneider stays but it is all about what comes back.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:05 PM

Luongo never got the Panthers into the playoffs.


Panthers are a MUCH better team than they were when Luongo was there before, he could get them in now with little or no problem.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:14 PM

I find it funny how everything nowadays has to do with Luongo.

I'm sorry, but if a team was trying to decide between Josh Harding and Roberto Luongo, they're probably not all that serious about their goaltending situation and aren't ready to give the Canucks what they want.

I hate how people on here compare Roberto Luongo to guys like Harding and Lindback. Listen, the guys an elite goaltender. Unless you have a Miller, a Fleury or a Lundqvist out there in play, Goaltenders like Harding and Lindback shouldn't affect Luongo's trade value. He's in a league of his own, you don't decide between unproven potential career backups and a goaltender who has carried his team to the Stanley Cup Finals and is consistently one of the best regular season goaltenders.


True, but I think the idea is that Luongo's contract is enough to make GM's who are searching for a goalie consider lesser, possibly more shrewd options like Harding, Lindback etc. So, Luongo's value doesn't really get lowered, but the chances of GM's seriously targetting him lower.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:19 PM

think about how much schneiders value just rose

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:36 PM

It's Josh Harding, it makes no difference. No team that wants an elite goalie was gonna sign Josh Harding anyways.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:39 PM

I find it funny how everything nowadays has to do with Luongo.

I'm sorry, but if a team was trying to decide between Josh Harding and Roberto Luongo, they're probably not all that serious about their goaltending situation and aren't ready to give the Canucks what they want.

I hate how people on here compare Roberto Luongo to guys like Harding and Lindback. Listen, the guys an elite goaltender. Unless you have a Miller, a Fleury or a Lundqvist out there in play, Goaltenders like Harding and Lindback shouldn't affect Luongo's trade value. He's in a league of his own, you don't decide between unproven potential career backups and a goaltender who has carried his team to the Stanley Cup Finals and is consistently one of the best regular season goaltenders.


I don't think people are assuming they are at the same level but it removes options and therefore an bargaining power the other side may have had.

Teams like Toronto would argue well Lindback, Harding, Bernier are available for less and they have less contract issues...just a ploy that the other side could use to stonewall...those alternatives as they dwindle just gives MG a better bargaining position...

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:45 PM

The fact that you had to take the time to point this of all things out from my post just proves your lack of reading comprehension. Before you get all hasty and point out that I failed to read your post, the contexts of "what's best for the team", "desire to get younger, tougher and more skilled" and "whichever provides the best return" all cover what your "point" is.


I think you are reading way too much into my post.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:56 PM

I don't think people are assuming they are at the same level but it removes options and therefore an bargaining power the other side may have had.

Teams like Toronto would argue well Lindback, Harding, Bernier are available for less and they have less contract issues...just a ploy that the other side could use to stonewall...those alternatives as they dwindle just gives MG a better bargaining position...

If a team like Toronto with a GM like Burke who needs to make the playoffs before they lose their jobs comes up to Gillis and tells him "Well we want Luongo but we could also go for Josh Harding because he's cheaper", Gillis would laugh in his face and tell him to go get Harding, Do you think those threats are REALLY viable when we're talking about a Vezina and Hart nominee and the starting goaltender of a team that made it to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals with 2 shutouts?

The Canucks are not in a situation where teams can go "well you have to trade Luongo so give him to us for Komisarek and scraps or we'll go after Harding". In that case, Gillis can easily say "Sure, go for it. We have a huge market for Cory Schneider and feel completely fine sticking with the guy with a Vezina and Hart nominee, a Jennings winner who's led us to two presidents trophies and game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals and flipping our other goalie for the return we're looking for".

Guys, this isn't Tomas Vokoun we're talking about offering to other teams. This is Roberto Luongo.

I just find it funny how when Rick Nash comes in the media with his monstrous 7.8 mill contract everyone screams out "It's gonna take 2 top end prospects and a couple of high end draft picks plus a roster player, it's impossible to get him" etc, but when it comes to the most important position in hockey, the position that even Rick Nash couldn't compensate for on a last place Columbus team, everyone thinks we're going to have to throw away probably one of the top 5 guys in the world at the most important position in the game.

Yes, his contract is large, but so is the contribution he can make to any team. A contribution that goes much further than anything a Rick Nash could bring to the table

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:00 PM

Luongo would easily get Toronto, Tampa Bay or Florida in the playoffs.


Luongo got the Canucks in the playoffs - a few times...and 1 win away from a Stanley Cup - if only he went out of his crease and scored some goals as the forwards couldn't...

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:00 PM

Guys, this isn't Tomas Vokoun we're talking about offering to other teams. This is Roberto Luongo.


I'd bet several CDCers put Vokoun in the same category despite his dismal career. In fact, I'd bet some think he is better.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:49 PM

I find it funny how everything nowadays has to do with Luongo.

I'm sorry, but if a team was trying to decide between Josh Harding and Roberto Luongo, they're probably not all that serious about their goaltending situation and aren't ready to give the Canucks what they want.

I hate how people on here compare Roberto Luongo to guys like Harding and Lindback. Listen, the guys an elite goaltender. Unless you have a Miller, a Fleury or a Lundqvist out there in play, Goaltenders like Harding and Lindback shouldn't affect Luongo's trade value. He's in a league of his own, you don't decide between unproven potential career backups and a goaltender who has carried his team to the Stanley Cup Finals and is consistently one of the best regular season goaltenders.

I think you left out a word....Luongo WAS an elite goalie...middle of the road now.............

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:55 PM

Re-sign Schneider to a 2 year deal. Let him prove he can handle an increased workload. If he works out then lock him up long-term, if he doesn't then trade him. There's nothing wrong with having two number one goaltenders.


There is a problem with having two #1 goalies when you don't have the offensive power to win the cup without trading one of them. We are not deep enough and we need to trade one of our goalies to push us even further.


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:57 PM

I'd bet several CDCers put Vokoun in the same category despite his dismal career. In fact, I'd bet some think he is better.

I'd bet several CDCers put Vokoun in the same category despite his dismal career. In fact, I'd bet some think he is better.


yeah and id bet those people would be morons

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:00 PM

I find it funny how everything nowadays has to do with Luongo.

I'm sorry, but if a team was trying to decide between Josh Harding and Roberto Luongo, they're probably not all that serious about their goaltending situation and aren't ready to give the Canucks what they want.

I hate how people on here compare Roberto Luongo to guys like Harding and Lindback. Listen, the guys an elite goaltender. Unless you have a Miller, a Fleury or a Lundqvist out there in play, Goaltenders like Harding and Lindback shouldn't affect Luongo's trade value. He's in a league of his own, you don't decide between unproven potential career backups and a goaltender who has carried his team to the Stanley Cup Finals and is consistently one of the best regular season goaltenders.

Absolutely. The best most proven goaltender "potentially" available.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:01 PM

I think you left out a word....Luongo WAS an elite goalie...middle of the road now.............

Wrong. Still amongst the best. You are just a hater Smurf.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:05 PM

Schneider's value grew too...he could well be the guy traded
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:08 PM

I don't think people are assuming they are at the same level but it removes options and therefore an bargaining power the other side may have had.

Teams like Toronto would argue well Lindback, Harding, Bernier are available for less and they have less contract issues...just a ploy that the other side could use to stonewall...those alternatives as they dwindle just gives MG a better bargaining position...


Burke would go to Gillis and say what? "We all know my ass is on the line to get into the playoffs, so we'll give up Komiserek, Armstrong and a 3rd rd pick for Luongo, if we dont have a deal I will pick up Harding or Lindback and start him for 60 games?"




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