NP-4815162342 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Panthers are a MUCH better team than they were when Luongo was there before, he could get them in now with little or no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 What a terrible argument. I'm sick of seeing this. Luongo falling apart demoralizes the team... But of course, Lord Luo can do no bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows53 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 let's just wait and see, people gotta stop counting their chickens before they hatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 With the way Vancouver's D played down the stretch and into the playoffs ( Hamhuis,Ballard and Salo exclusive) and how well Luo played most of the season ,this team will deserve to go down in Flames if Gillis trades Luo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Re-sign Schneider to a 2 year deal. Let him prove he can handle an increased workload. If he works out then lock him up long-term, if he doesn't then trade him. There's nothing wrong with having two number one goaltenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead73 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 You'd be crazy to trade your younger goalie and keep the older one all things being equal. Odds are always stacked against you to be able to develop or aquire star talent in any position. If you manage to luck out and have star talent coming down the pipe you have extend the lifetime of your talent level in goal if you consider the lifetime of a player in thier prime is 10-15 years. You always want to reset that time frame... You see it time and time again, youth gets opportunity and success, and experience loses it's value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underachieving Hero of CDC Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 All season long Luongo is unappreciated and underrated on these boards and now that he is trade bait he is overrated! He's not a guarantee to make the playoffs. He's nowhere near a guarantee in the playoffs. The last two years he has been replaced in the first round by Cory Schneider. That is not something one expects from an elite top end goaltender. His mental lapses are legendary. His stats are good but they have never been the best. He lets in bad goals and starts slow. He is generally pretty good but he's not going to fetch a massive package because he does come with question marks, baggage and ten years and close to fifty million dollars remain on his contract. Do you guys really believe in similar situations he is that much better than Lindback and Harding? He hasn't been better than his own backup for two seasons now and Schneider is still unproven and hasn't had any playoff success. Schneider looks awesome but Lindback and Harding have also had their moments and their best years are ahead of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer&meat Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I see so many people complaining about the contract and how teams will be stuck with it for a decade....since when did his NTC run the entire length of his contract? In many situations a NTC is null and void IF a player is traded. Honestly IF luongo is up for sale, I'm pretty sure there will be more than a handful of GMs interested. IMO, with only a few more years until the orginization is able to make the decision on whether or not to move him, I say keep him. Luongo will eventually beat the demon and stay in the proverbial "zone" throughout the playoffs, everyone knows he will get us to the playoffs consistantly, sooner or later he's going to win ALL 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmpunk Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 He never got Florida there before...and they made it there this year without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 In many situations a NTC is null and void IF a player is traded. Honestly IF luongo is up for sale, I'm pretty sure there will be more than a handful of GMs interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I call bs. You say you're a "Luongo hater" but I've never met a Luongo hater who describes Luongo as making "incredibly timely saves" and that "more blame goes to everyone else on the team, not Luongo." I'm pretty sure the knock on Luongo from most people who dislike him is the very fact he is inconsistent at times and DOESN'T make the timely saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islandboss Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Lu will play where ever his wife tells him to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehamburglar Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Schnieder's value just sky rocketed. If they're giving Lindback a starting position, Schnieder can do it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevforever Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 More like the Leafs and Brian Burke look more and more like idiots. Vokoun - goes to the Pens for a 7th rd pick, 2M salary Lindback - young and upcoming, easily a #1 in Toronto for 2 picks and jorneyman goalie Even Harding with all his injuries could have helped the Leafs they way there goaltending has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer&meat Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 In many situations? Like which ones? I can think of one case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Yeah exactly and Luongo wasn't as good then as he is now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 If a team like Toronto with a GM like Burke who needs to make the playoffs before they lose their jobs comes up to Gillis and tells him "Well we want Luongo but we could also go for Josh Harding because he's cheaper", Gillis would laugh in his face and tell him to go get Harding, Do you think those threats are REALLY viable when we're talking about a Vezina and Hart nominee and the starting goaltender of a team that made it to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals with 2 shutouts? The Canucks are not in a situation where teams can go "well you have to trade Luongo so give him to us for Komisarek and scraps or we'll go after Harding". In that case, Gillis can easily say "Sure, go for it. We have a huge market for Cory Schneider and feel completely fine sticking with the guy with a Vezina and Hart nominee, a Jennings winner who's led us to two presidents trophies and game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals and flipping our other goalie for the return we're looking for". Guys, this isn't Tomas Vokoun we're talking about offering to other teams. This is Roberto Luongo. I just find it funny how when Rick Nash comes in the media with his monstrous 7.8 mill contract everyone screams out "It's gonna take 2 top end prospects and a couple of high end draft picks plus a roster player, it's impossible to get him" etc, but when it comes to the most important position in hockey, the position that even Rick Nash couldn't compensate for on a last place Columbus team, everyone thinks we're going to have to throw away probably one of the top 5 guys in the world at the most important position in the game. Yes, his contract is large, but so is the contribution he can make to any team. A contribution that goes much further than anything a Rick Nash could bring to the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 For all the Luongo haters out there, if we trade this guy it doesn't matter who we get back, Schneider is not ready to play 60-70 games AND another 25 in the post season to win us a cup. The kid (and yes, he's still a kid to those of you who think he's as proven as Luongo is) has played a total of under 60 games in his career with 4 playoff starts and has 1 playoff win. Don't let his numbers fool you, this guy has never had a taste of a full-time position and I don't trust the team's playoff Cup chances on him one bit. Sure he'll be good in 3 or 4 seasons once he's lost in the playoffs and learns what it takes, but by then our core will be old and pathetic. We need to stick with Luongo because he's been through it all and he's a work in progress, and after so much he gives us a better chance to win than Schneider. Quote me on this Luongo-haters, if we trade Luongo and hitch our wagon on Cory Schneider this team won't win a Cup for another 3 or 4 years. If we stick with Luongo we're giving ourselves a great chance to win it for each of the next 3 seasons at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Surely you mean Schneider's value just grew even more? Gillis is going to do what's best for the club. With his desire to get younger, tougher and more skilled the choice comes down to which ever goaltender provides the best return. It could be Luongo, it could be Schneider. We won't know until it happens. And for the record, for all of the names that are being thrown around by CDC'ers it's not going to be that. You should know that any trade Gillis makes comes entirely out of left field. Ballard, Booth, Kassian. NO ONE saw any of these trades or considered any of these players, if you weren't already aware of this fact then you aren't much of a Canucks fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Schnieder's value just sky rocketed. If they're giving Lindback a starting position, Schnieder can do it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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