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#4561 Bombastik der Teutone

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:18 AM

Blues Player of the Week


Our Player of the Week is Steve Sullivan.

The Veteran NHLer recorded 4 Goals and 1 Assist and a Total of 24 Pool Points last Week

which makes him our current No.1.

Steve signed a 1 Year Contract with the Blues last Summer and he was supposed to play

on the 3rd Line but his latest efforts and some injuries as well moved him to the 2nd Line.

If he keeps things going , he could be a fixed Top 6 Player during the Season.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:20 AM

Edited with some stats to focus my thoughts.


Last year roughly:
150 players had more than 75 blocks or more all season.
90 of those had more than 100
25 of those had more than 150
the top three were: Josh Gorges 250 , Brett Clark with 199 and Francois Beauchemin 194.

So to recap my post from last year, if 25% of the league gets 75 blocks, then quarter point per block means a difference of 30 or so points by years end for the best blockers...its not that big an issue, but maybe a trophy with bonus points could be used to reward that stat?


On hits...same issue..the top three had 374, 293 and 288, the next 200 ranked players taper down to 100 hits. So if the league average is 100, really only the top end group will significantly outperform the average using quarter points...and giving the top guy 374 points for 374 hits is mad, I don't think Crosby got 374 points last year in our league.

Again, to reward hits and blocks, it would seem easy to me to implement a trophy reward at the end of the year for the top bunch, whateve the cut off would be for that...top 3? top 5?

That is my two cents, sort of a rehash from last years ideas on it..but worth repeating for the new GM's.

If we don't reward hits and blocks at all...i am fine with that too, as it is only natural for some players to have less value than others. There are 600k salaries and there are 7million dollar salaries for a reason.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:26 AM

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I was just looking on NHL.COM and it seems odd but the average team has only played 5 games...So I wouldn't get too comfortable at the top, and I wouldn't despair if your near the bottom of your division either, 5 games, as any scientist will tell you is not a large enough sample size, but obviously trends are setting in. Best of luck to all, and as usual, this will be updated at least every monday...usually two or three times a week if I have time. Cheers.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:50 AM

Edited with some stats to focus my thoughts.


Last year roughly:
150 players had more than 75 blocks or more all season.
90 of those had more than 100
25 of those had more than 150
the top three were: Josh Gorges 250 , Brett Clark with 199 and Francois Beauchemin 194.

So to recap my post from last year, if 25% of the league gets 75 blocks, then quarter point per block means a difference of 30 or so points by years end for the best blockers...its not that big an issue, but maybe a trophy with bonus points could be used to reward that stat?


On hits...same issue..the top three had 374, 293 and 288, the next 200 ranked players taper down to 100 hits. So if the league average is 100, really only the top end group will significantly outperform the average using quarter points...and giving the top guy 374 points for 374 hits is mad, I don't think Crosby got 374 points last year in our league.

Again, to reward hits and blocks, it would seem easy to me to implement a trophy reward at the end of the year for the top bunch, whateve the cut off would be for that...top 3? top 5?

That is my two cents, sort of a rehash from last years ideas on it..but worth repeating for the new GM's.

If we don't reward hits and blocks at all...i am fine with that too, as it is only natural for some players to have less value than others. There are 600k salaries and there are 7million dollar salaries for a reason.


players dont get 1 point for 1 hit .... 0,5 points and your are down to 187 points at 374 hits
and crosby as comparsion is pretty meaningless cuz he didnt played a full season

and you forget that guys like crosby also earns points for hits, blocks , sog , pp , pk and if he scores 90-100 points than a guy like sid could easily get 450-500 points in a fantrax league for an example



here is the fantrax top 20 list from last season ...you wont find any cheap 600k guys there or in the top 100 as well. so this value talk is totally menaingless IMO


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:18 AM

^^ that is very cool, i have not seen fantrax...can you sort it by hits or blocks to get the highest players at the top and repost?
I am curious.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:20 AM

i ll check it out PO ;)




top 20 blockers 11/12(fantrax)

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:32 AM

you see..players with 300 + points are also have a scoring touch
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:32 AM

I am going to go look at that now...its interesting to me for sure
and i have a sneaky idea to get around the pay per use cutoff of more than 12 teams


We can do east west divisions, two per fantrax login...and voila we have three free fantrax's and we do the compiled updates on here for folks that are too lazy to log into all three to check out scores. ;) where there is a cheapskate, there is a free way!
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:36 AM

I am going to go look at that now...its interesting to me for sure
and i have a sneaky idea to get around the pay per use cutoff of more than 12 teams


We can do east west divisions, two per fantrax login...and voila we have three free fantrax's and we do the compiled updates on here for folks that are too lazy to log into all three to check out scores. ;) where there is a cheapskate, there is a free way!


hahahahahahah

i would send money to curt if we would do one league and i guess i´m not the only ...60 bucks shouldnt be the problem imo..lol

finally the executives and curt decides what happens in the next season ...my vote goes to fantrax though

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:40 AM

you see..players with 300 + points are also have a scoring touch

Some do yes, some don't. What I meant though was that just like a real team has players worth millions and players worth not so much, our teams will have players on the roster that are more or less worthless to our pool and players who are worth their weight in gold to our pool....

So any changes to the rules that affect the value of gold vs the value of led need to be well thought out before being implemented. If we are inflating the value of about 20 key hitters and 20 key blockers with the new rule...then it is unfair to teams that don't own the specific players who typically are in those top ranks. If that makes sense. LIke Brooks Orpik, from your screen capture: i think he is worth a million on that list...but if he is suddently earning points for hits and blocks, the team in CDCGML that owns Orpick all of a sudden has a 3million dollar player signed for just 1 million. That is something that will be tricky to work around.

I am okay with change and okay with staying the same, but it is interesting to look at and consider from all sides.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:49 AM

Some do yes, some don't. What I meant though was that just like a real team has players worth millions and players worth not so much, our teams will have players on the roster that are more or less worthless to our pool and players who are worth their weight in gold to our pool....

So any changes to the rules that affect the value of gold vs the value of led need to be well thought out before being implemented. If we are inflating the value of about 20 key hitters and 20 key blockers with the new rule...then it is unfair to teams that don't own the specific players who typically are in those top ranks. If that makes sense. LIke Brooks Orpik, from your screen capture: i think he is worth a million on that list...but if he is suddently earning points for hits and blocks, the team in CDCGML that owns Orpick all of a sudden has a 3million dollar player signed for just 1 million. That is something that will be tricky to work around.

I am okay with change and okay with staying the same, but it is interesting to look at and consider from all sides.


ah ya..thats the weird fantasy world cuz guys like orpik dont get more money in real just because he blocks 200 shots per season ..btw his salary is 3750000 million $ ..this league uses original salarys
well there are also leagues with own salaries like the WTN League

i see your point but i dont get it anyways..why should a player get paid more in a fantasy league than in real just because he suddenly gets points for hits and blocks????
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:50 AM

It may be only a week in, but the Lightning are finally trending in the right direction, joining the top-10 for the first time in forever. Thanks largely in part to Patrick Marleau's fast start and contributions from newcomers Hedman, Oduya, and Brunner, we hope to continue at this pace for an extended period of time.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:53 AM

orpik´s salary in CDCGML is 1 million?? wow..must have been a great agent

we can also bring our own salaries into the fantrax league liek we do in the WTN league.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:01 AM

Some do yes, some don't. What I meant though was that just like a real team has players worth millions and players worth not so much, our teams will have players on the roster that are more or less worthless to our pool and players who are worth their weight in gold to our pool....

So any changes to the rules that affect the value of gold vs the value of led need to be well thought out before being implemented. If we are inflating the value of about 20 key hitters and 20 key blockers with the new rule...then it is unfair to teams that don't own the specific players who typically are in those top ranks. If that makes sense. LIke Brooks Orpik, from your screen capture: i think he is worth a million on that list...but if he is suddently earning points for hits and blocks, the team in CDCGML that owns Orpick all of a sudden has a 3million dollar player signed for just 1 million. That is something that will be tricky to work around.

I am okay with change and okay with staying the same, but it is interesting to look at and consider from all sides.


this. And same goes for cutting PIMs in half or more. The beauty of this league is (i think) that we negotiate our own contracts with players, and that they aren't automatically worth the same as what capgeek says they are, this is something I like alot about this league---researching players value, based on the scoring system we have in place. Although I too am not against any potential future changes, I would suggest that there be a fairly lengthy warning period. If pims are too high in the league for goons, maybe eliminating points for the 10min misconducts would work... that would prevent guys (like Clowe lastnight) from collecting 35points from pims alone...
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:07 AM

Very happy with the first week and a half in the season, 62 point lead on 2nd place and great production throughout the lineup, hope we can remain consistent throughout the year.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:09 AM

this. And same goes for cutting PIMs in half or more. The beauty of this league is (i think) that we negotiate our own contracts with players, and that they aren't automatically worth the same as what capgeek says they are, this is something I like alot about this league---researching players value, based on the scoring system we have in place. Although I too am not against any potential future changes, I would suggest that there be a fairly lengthy warning period. If pims are too high in the league for goons, maybe eliminating points for the 10min misconducts would work... that would prevent guys (like Clowe lastnight) from collecting 35points from pims alone...


well i allways use capgeek as direction when i re-sign or sign a player here and it works..some guys here a extremely overpaid though.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:19 AM

well i allways use capgeek as direction when i re-sign or sign a player here and it works..some guys here a extremely overpaid though.

I agree some are overpaid. I think the nhl in real life the average cap space per team is about 10million, because some teams just don't want to spend to the cap. In our game almost everyone (I would guess) would spend to the cap to get the players they want....that leaves an extra 300million floating around in our league, which would be partially to blame for higher salaries in our game...

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:30 AM

well i allways use capgeek as direction when i re-sign or sign a player here and it works..some guys here a extremely overpaid though.


A lot of guys in the NHL are extremely overpaid too :lol:

I honestly like the uniqueness of our league and the many different strategies GM's use to build their teams, imo not many changes are needed but there is always room for improvement, which is another great thing about our league Curt adds new and better elements every year. Thanks again c2x!!
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:46 AM

Thanks for the clarification guys. I think this is a pretty good league structure other than rewarding goons like Clowe...Could be just my own bias of not thinking those guys should ever be seen as positives for that behavior so the question of good PIMS vs bad PIMS comes into play in my own mind I guess. I don't care enough in terms of league scoring to dive into the stats so if you guys say it doesn't make a difference in the league at the end of the day I will certainly believe you...But honestly some combination of offense and PIMS is really the predominant team building strategy here as defense-only players often have very high contracts but limited actual value in the point scoring system. If you wanted to build a defence first team that does not rely on goons it is probably more likely that you will end up closer to the bottom of the league even with some premier defensive players on your team.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

A lot of guys in the NHL are extremely overpaid too :lol:

I honestly like the uniqueness of our league and the many different strategies GM's use to build their teams, imo not many changes are needed but there is always room for improvement, which is another great thing about our league Curt adds new and better elements every year. Thanks again c2x!!


thats true..and i like our league and the system a lot too

we´ll see were our league is going next season
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

But that is not to suggest it should change either as it is tough to make changes to leagues that have always done things a certain way. It is not so easy to find a solution that is fair for everyone when you do that.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

Thanks for the clarification guys. I think this is a pretty good league structure other than rewarding goons like Clowe...Could be just my own bias of not thinking those guys should ever be seen as positives for that behavior so the question of good PIMS vs bad PIMS comes into play in my own mind I guess. I don't care enough in terms of league scoring to dive into the stats so if you guys say it doesn't make a difference in the league at the end of the day I will certainly believe you...But honestly some combination of offense and PIMS is really the predominant team building strategy here as defense-only players often have very high contracts but limited actual value in the point scoring system. If you wanted to build a defence first team that does not rely on goons it is probably more likely that you will end up closer to the bottom of the league even with some premier defensive players on your team.


It's a hockey pool - thus offensive stats and PIMS are the tracked stats.

We aren't building 'real life' teams where teams want to have a defensive D to protect a 1 goal lead.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:56 AM

It's a hockey pool - thus offensive stats and PIMS are the tracked stats.

We aren't building 'real life' teams where teams want to have a defensive D to protect a 1 goal lead.

Fair enough. I wasn't really suggesting you should. I simply made the point that there are really not a ton of effective ways to build a team here.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:59 AM

I am fine with my team even though I will never be an elite team with my current roster. Maybe a pretty good team if some things fall my way and that is okay too.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:22 PM

LTIR: The Quebec Nordiques place Christopher Nilstrop on the LTIR.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:28 PM

LTIR: The Quebec Nordiques place Christopher Nilstrop on the LTIR.


Once a pending LTIR request has been approved:


Recall: The Quebec Nordiques would like to recall G Richard Bachman


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

Very happy with the first week and a half in the season, 62 point lead on 2nd place and great production throughout the lineup, hope we can remain consistent throughout the year.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

Goonery will get you into the playoffs. It won't win you a Cup.

Different goals for different teams at different stages of development.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:08 PM

Signing: The St. Louis Blues have signed forward Colton Sceviour to a one-year deal.

Colton Sceviour - One year contract worth $650,000.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:08 PM

It's a hockey pool - thus offensive stats and PIMS are the tracked stats.

We aren't building 'real life' teams where teams want to have a defensive D to protect a 1 goal lead.



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Don't say that!


That is like telling a child that Santa is " not real "....... :(
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