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Poll: Who would you rather trade? (169 member(s) have cast votes)

Who would you rather trade?

  1. Voted Luongo (103 votes [60.95%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 60.95%

  2. Schneider (66 votes [39.05%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 39.05%

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#1 Super_Canuck

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:35 PM

Up until a few days ago, I was all about trading Luongo but I've changed my mind now, mostly due to the fact that Schneider can get us a better return. The trade market doesn't seem to be too hot for Lu because of his hefty contract and it seems like any team that's interested is trying to low ball us.

We know exactly what we have in Lu, 35-40 wins guaranteed. Sure he has the odd dud of a game but so does every other goalie in the league. When you play 60+ games every year, it's bound to happen. It will happen to Schneider aswell when his work load is doubled.

If Corey is say for example a 9/10, then Luongo is what? an 8.5/10? I mean not that big of a difference in terms of the impact on the team, but there is a big difference in what each goalie can fetch us. Whoever we trade, we need to get a piece in return that can help us win a cup and I don't think Lu can get that on the trade market. Roberto has atleast 4-5 good years left in him and I think that's pretty much our window to win aswell with this core. After that, who knows where this franchise will be. Maybe we'll have another great goalie in our system to be the no.1 on the big club (lack?) or perhaps there would be an UFA.

We've had it so good here in terms of goaltending for the past 6 years, that we forget how bad our goalies were pre 2006. We were desperate for just solid goaltending back then, and now we've been spoiled with great goalies the past few years. Fans here de-value what Luongo has done. The guy is extremely experienced, he's played in pressure packed situations at the highest levels. We can win a cup with him. If Detroit can win with Osgood, Chicago with Niemi and Boston with a 38 year old Thomas, then Lui can also get the job done.

His cap hit is not all that bad, especially considering where the cap is nowadays. Yes the term is bad but not the cap number. Most goalies of his caliber make the same or more. In a few years, Corey will me making just as much. For those of you who argue that his actual salary is a lot, to them is say who cares? It's not our money, what us fans should be worried about is the salary cap number, not what his actual income is. Salary cap # is the only thing that should concern us because it effects the rest of the team building process. Aqulini can pay him $15 mil/year if he wants, but as long as his cap number is 5.33, it's all good.

I'm not a Luongo hater and neither am I a big fan of the guy (although i used to be). His play over the last 2-3 years has frustrated me at times just like everyone else (he hasn't been the same since that groin injury in Pitt he suffered a few years ago). But I think keeping Lu and trading Schneider is the logical choice if it means we can get more.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:36 PM

In my opinion, it's time for a change for Luongo and the city.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:37 PM

I would prefer a Canucks drafted goalie, and one that was developed by the organization.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:40 PM

I'd support trading Schneider just to troll a bunch of whiny Canucks "fans".

No, this does not include everyone who wants to trade Luongo.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:40 PM

I prefer the trade that will actually make us a better team and not just for the sake of getting rid of someone. If trading Lu can make us a bit better by what it brings back, trade him. On the other hand, there are teams that will sell the farm to get Schneider. We could land a potent offensive player for Cory. Go all in and win a damn cup.

Edited by The Brahma Bull, 20 June 2012 - 09:41 PM.



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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:41 PM

Schneider is like Burrows, the Sedins, Bieksa, Edler, Kesler, Hansen, Raymond, Tanev... Canuck from day 1.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:42 PM

I prefer the trade that will actually make us a better team and not just for the sake of getting rid of someone. If trading Lu can make us a bit better by what it brings back, trade him. On the other hand, there are teams that will sell the farm to get Schneider. We could land a potent offensive player for Cory. Go all in and win a damn cup.


Exactly. Let me get this straight, MG... You're trying to win a cup, right? :lol:
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:47 PM

Schneider is like Burrows, the Sedins, Bieksa, Edler, Kesler, Hansen, Raymond, Tanev... Canuck from day 1.


You mean all of those players that Luongo bailed out time and time again so that they could develop into solid players and not be shipped out (not including Raymond cuz he sucks and Tanev cuz he's pretty new)? If we didn't have stable goaltending while the sedins, etc. were maturing, I'm quite positive a lot of them would have been packing their bags.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:00 PM

*sigh* :picard: Schneider is the future, Luongo is not. If Schneider had started the series against LA, I guarantee the Canucks wouldn't be down three games to none, even though Luongo was one of the better players in the series, the Canucks don't play the same in front of Luongo as they do Schneider. They play with more confidence in front of Schneider.

Edited by Spencer Drew, 20 June 2012 - 10:01 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:06 PM

You mean all of those players that Luongo bailed out time and time again so that they could develop into solid players and not be shipped out (not including Raymond cuz he sucks and Tanev cuz he's pretty new)? If we didn't have stable goaltending while the sedins, etc. were maturing, I'm quite positive a lot of them would have been packing their bags.


And he was paid very well for doing so, time to move on.

Edited by GradinToSmyl, 20 June 2012 - 10:06 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:11 PM

I love these kind of threads. Luckily I get 2 or 3 new ones to read everyday!

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:13 PM

Honest Question

Do you think the team is better with
A ) Schneider and average assets returned in a Luongo trade
or
B ) Luongo and a strong return on assets for Schneider.

We should be pretty impartial with which goalie we trade, and hope for the best possible return either way.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:14 PM

Nope, trade Lu. We should keep the better and younger goalie.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:15 PM

I would prefer a Canucks drafted goalie, and one that was developed by the organization.


Who cares? We drafted and developed Raymond. Would you prefer Raymond over Higgins?

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:15 PM

*sigh* :picard: Schneider is the future, Luongo is not. If Schneider had started the series against LA, I guarantee the Canucks wouldn't be down three games to none, even though Luongo was one of the better players in the series, the Canucks don't play the same in front of Luongo as they do Schneider. They play with more confidence in front of Schneider.

An argument for them playing with less confidence in front of Schneider is they try to play better in front of him which could mean they have less trust in him bailing them out. On the other hand they play less solid in front of Luongo because they feel like he'll bail them out again and again.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:16 PM

In complete honesty, Luongo is the one who should go.

Schneider is far younger, and this team needs a change. A big one at that. Seeing as Management, coaching staff, and the sedins/kes/bieksa are here to stay for the long haul, its only a matter of time before everyone choses the one who must go...


and unfortunately, it is Roberto Luongo. We should all appreciate what he's done for this organization- but it is time for a new era.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:16 PM

An argument for them playing with less confidence in front of Schneider is they try to play better in front of him which could mean they have less trust in him bailing them out. On the other hand they play less solid in front of Luongo because they feel like he'll bail them out again and again.


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:17 PM

I would prefer a Canucks drafted goalie, and one that was developed by the organization.


Schneider was drafted and developed by the Canucks he was drafted in 2004 first round 26th pick by us.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:20 PM

Unless were getting names like Ryan,Nash,Couturier ... I suggest we keep the younger, better and home grown talent that we've developed for 8 friggin years.

Edited by Han Damhuis, 20 June 2012 - 10:21 PM.


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:20 PM

Nonsense has just been redefined, call Oxford.

This . . . seriously.

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Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:20 PM

*sigh* :picard: Schneider is the future, Luongo is not. If Schneider had started the series against LA, I guarantee the Canucks wouldn't be down three games to none, even though Luongo was one of the better players in the series, the Canucks don't play the same in front of Luongo as they do Schneider. They play with more confidence in front of Schneider.


They fell behind 3-0 after Schneider had started the 3rd game not Lu. Roberto left the series down 0-2. Is your memory that short? If they play with such confidence infront of Schneider, then why weren't they able to make a come back? The Canucks lost because they couldn't score. Would Schneider have helped in the goal scoring dept? He sure didn't in games 3, 4 and 5. They only scored 4 goals in those 3 games combined! That's not gonna get you any wins no matter how good the goalie is

That's also the reason they lost in the cup final last year 'cause they only scored 8 freakin goals in 7 games! That's only 17 goals in the last 12 playoff games

Edited by Super_Canuck, 20 June 2012 - 10:23 PM.


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:24 PM

Schneider was drafted and developed by the Canucks he was drafted in 2004 first round 26th pick by us.

I accidentally plused you. It was a page loading issue. I think you are pointing out that Schneider is Vancouver drafted and developed to a person who is saying "I would rather keep the goaltender who was drafted and developed by the Canucks . . . Schneider".
Do you see what I am getting at?

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Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:24 PM

Let's be honest here, I'm pretty sure we all know that Schneider would get us an amazing return.

For everyone talking about the future we need to realize that Schneider is 26, that means 4 stellar years and 2 decent years. Don't forget if Schneider is traded we still have Lack who is younger and has the makings of another Schneider.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:25 PM

Schneider is like Burrows, the Sedins, Bieksa, Edler, Kesler, Hansen, Raymond, Tanev... Canuck from day 1.


Right because that makes them better? No.. Manny and Hamhuis non drafted Canucks are more heart and soul to this club then Hansen, Raymond and Tanev will be.

I say who ever gives the Canucks the best trade but hold onto them until that trade comes. What's the rush this season? If Schneidz can get a young player like Brett Connolly then why not? It makes sense for Tampa Bay and Vancouver. But if Luo can get something even better then him... It's about the trade value not cap hits because even with Luo gone Cory's cap rises which is why MG should get younger players.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:25 PM

Wish Schneider played game 6 in Boston in the final last year. Curious to see what might have happened is all.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:27 PM

This is going to be a long summer if Luongo doesn't get dealt on Draft Day.....

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:28 PM

Wish Schneider played game 6 in Boston in the final last year. Curious to see what might have happened is all.


I wish Luongo played Game 5 against LA, the outcome could have been different.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:28 PM

Wish Schneider played game 6 in Boston in the final last year. Curious to see what might have happened is all.


If Schneider played and we won the cup, Roberto Luongo wouldnt have gotten any credit whatsoever, when he would be the one leading the team all the way to that point. To start Schneider in any game in that series would have been just wrong, that was Luongo's moment.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:29 PM

Up until a few days ago I thought the already existing sea of threads on this subject would discourage people from starting more just to beat a dead horse some more. And once again someone proved me wrong.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:31 PM

They fell behind 3-0 after Schneider had started the 3rd game not Lu. Roberto left the series down 0-2. Is your memory that short? If they play with such confidence infront of Schneider, then why weren't they able to make a come back? The Canucks lost because they couldn't score. Would Schneider have helped in the goal scoring dept? He sure didn't in games 3, 4 and 5. They only scored 4 goals in those 3 games combined! That's not gonna get you any wins no matter how good the goalie is

That's also the reason they lost in the cup final last year 'cause they only scored 8 freakin goals in 7 games! That's only 17 goals in the last 12 playoff games

Oh Jesus H Christ, everyone! Can we please, please, please have this fracking discussion again? Huh? Can we? Please?
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Snake Doctor, on 23 May 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:snapback.png

Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 





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