Islandboss Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Girous that sounds like DR .Seuss stuff Claude Giroux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Luongo is 33 whereas Nash is 28 in 6 years Nash will be still serviceable at the age of 34 Luongo is in contract till he's 40+ so he is undoubtedly going to be on the decline some point in time. So ya Nash is definitely a better contract to take in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMantooth Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 But goalies last longer (especially longer than a power forwards) and Nash really hasn't done much to be a difference maker in Columbus. He's making 2.8 more than luongo. I understand Nash is younger by 5 years but 7.8 mill is a lot of money to take on for a player who really hasn't done much, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 What I don't understand is how does Rick Nash have more value in the trade market than Luongo? He has a 7.8 mill cap hit for the next 6 years. Luongo only has a 5.3 cap hit. Luongo can win you games by himself. Aren't good goalies harder to find too. It's not like Nash is a Crosby or Giroux. I would think Luongo's value should be the same value if not a bit more. If Nash was getting 50 goals a year and was a force like Lucic then I completely understand. Some of these wannabe insiders coming up with these trade proposals from Florida blow my mind. Are you serious we're going to take a versteeg or a lupul as the main guys in a trade. They're cast aways. I don't want them. I'd only take them as a piece of the deal but not the main part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2013's The Charm Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 The idea that Nash is worth 4 or 5 significant players/prospects is downright ridiculous. The idea that Luongo can be had for a salary dump and a throw in is downright ridiculous I'll be satisfied when MG cuts a deal in the middle - an elite prospect as he is asking, a mid range young player/prospect, perhaps a moderate roster salary return like Theodore or Upshall if the first two terms are met. I'd be happy wih Bjugstad, Petrovic straight up, or Gudbranson and Matthias if the Canucks were to add a second asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knowmatic Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Listening to the interview as objectively as possible made me think of one thing... This seems like a PR move by the Canucks and Luongo to get some market interest. The Canucks have been very smart about their interviews in more recent years and I just don't see Luongo going out of his way to break this kind of news randomly. Call me a conspirator, but the fact that the interview was given to CFOX over Team 1040 also makes me think this was a more strategic move, maybe allowing more control over the types and way questions were asked, even the call in section seemed a little too well scripted. That's my take on it and I think that the interview definitely benefitted the Canucks and Luongo to get a trade done. My hope would be any of the following scenarios and I don't think they're impossible, but I'm not the GM: Trade Lu to Florida for cap space and look to sign/trade for Weber Trade Lu to Chicago for Patrick Kane Trade Lu to Columbus for Nash Trade Lu to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan, allowing Anaheim to flip Hiller to Toronto/Columbus/Chicago, etc. None of those will probably happen though... Don't get lost on the fact that we traded an end of the rope Bertuzzi, an unproven Allen and a backup Auld for Luongo. That was when Luongo was coming into his prime and we've had him for 6 great seasons. To expect a huge return may not be likely, but I still think he is a top 10 goalie in this league and can easily help teams win games, hence his value should be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Listening to the interview as objectively as possible made me think of one thing... This seems like a PR move by the Canucks and Luongo to get some market interest. The Canucks have been very smart about their interviews in more recent years and I just don't see Luongo going out of his way to break this kind of news randomly. Call me a conspirator, but the fact that the interview was given to CFOX over Team 1040 also makes me think this was a more strategic move, maybe allowing more control over the types and way questions were asked, even the call in section seemed a little too well scripted. That's my take on it and I think that the interview definitely benefitted the Canucks and Luongo to get a trade done. My hope would be any of the following scenarios and I don't think they're impossible, but I'm not the GM: Trade Lu to Florida for cap space and look to sign/trade for Weber Trade Lu to Chicago for Patrick Kane Trade Lu to Columbus for Nash Trade Lu to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan, allowing Anaheim to flip Hiller to Toronto/Columbus/Chicago, etc. None of those will probably happen though... Don't get lost on the fact that we traded an end of the rope Bertuzzi, an unproven Allen and a backup Auld for Luongo. That was when Luongo was coming into his prime and we've had him for 6 great seasons. To expect a huge return may not be likely, but I still think he is a top 10 goalie in this league and can easily help teams win games, hence his value should be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 The idea that Nash is worth 4 or 5 significant players/prospects is downright ridiculous. The idea that Luongo can be had for a salary dump and a throw in is downright ridiculous I'll be satisfied when MG cuts a deal in the middle - an elite prospect as he is asking, a mid range young player/prospect, perhaps a moderate roster salary return if the first two terms are met. I'm not buying the Chicago or Toronto options - a blueliner and center from Florida: Bjugstad and Petrovic, or Gudbranson and Matthias if the Canucks were to add a second asset. Yeah, I know, people are alleging that Tallon said no to any of his top prospects.... I also remember when Burke said 10 firsts for Schenn. Negotiating words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMR Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Listening to the interview as objectively as possible made me think of one thing... This seems like a PR move by the Canucks and Luongo to get some market interest. The Canucks have been very smart about their interviews in more recent years and I just don't see Luongo going out of his way to break this kind of news randomly. Call me a conspirator, but the fact that the interview was given to CFOX over Team 1040 also makes me think this was a more strategic move, maybe allowing more control over the types and way questions were asked, even the call in section seemed a little too well scripted. That's my take on it and I think that the interview definitely benefitted the Canucks and Luongo to get a trade done. My hope would be any of the following scenarios and I don't think they're impossible, but I'm not the GM: Trade Lu to Florida for cap space and look to sign/trade for Weber Trade Lu to Chicago for Patrick Kane Trade Lu to Columbus for Nash Trade Lu to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan, allowing Anaheim to flip Hiller to Toronto/Columbus/Chicago, etc. None of those will probably happen though... Don't get lost on the fact that we traded an end of the rope Bertuzzi, an unproven Allen and a backup Auld for Luongo. That was when Luongo was coming into his prime and we've had him for 6 great seasons. To expect a huge return may not be likely, but I still think he is a top 10 goalie in this league and can easily help teams win games, hence his value should be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RO8!! Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Ya this could work if we did a 3 way deal with Toronto. Toronto would have to get Hiller and who cares what Anaheim gets back for Hiller, not our problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I had the same feeling as well after listening to the interview carefully a couple times. It all smells like Gillis and Luongo having an agreement, the understanding that what's good for the team is good for Luongo. Generating more market interest ensures more possible suitors, more possible suitors means possible bidding war and higher return for Luongo. Something that Luongo said still has me a little irked, which was something to the effect of "I don't care who I'm traded for", then again why should he? Why would Luongo have any real vested interest in the return the Canucks receive as he is effectively going to become a Canuck rival no matter who he goes to simply because of the history with him and the organization and the number of years being here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMR Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I couldn't agree with you more. The whole radio thing today was to get more out of Florida and speed this up. I think we have Florida where we want them. We're just trying to bump them a little bit more ot get this deal done. I think we're almost there.I Luongo only wants to go to Florida and that's why he did the radio thing today. He's trying to give the perception he's open to other places. We just get a good deal done here and none of that Versteeg and Upshall non sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italia2006 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 The only thing that doesn't make sense about Lou doing something like this is that Florida will be his future team. Why would he want to suck more talent out of Florida and give it to his former team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 http://www.nhl.com/i...st.htm?id=10516 Front Page on NHL.com. Way to make a spectacle of it NHL.com.. I think if Lu knew it was going to go this far he wouldn't have said so much to them. The world loves hating on Luongo, every other teams fans hate him, half the Canucks fans hate him. What a sh**ty way for a player to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMantooth Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 If Luongo truly was fine at going anywhere, he wouldn't of done this because there would be a bidding war on him right now. This is all my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbal23 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Value of Kane, Nash, Ryan = 5.3M in cap space? Maybe PIT will give us Crosby in order to get that 8.7M in cap space!! I understand that Crosby > Kane, Nash, Ryan.. however 8.7M in cap space > 5.3M in cap space! Get 'er done MG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I personally think that a elite starting goalie has more value than a power forward. I know Nash's type is rare, but then again goalies like Luongo don't become available every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Because he kind of is tying Gillis's hands by only allowing him to trade him to Florida. So he's trying to help is current gm get him to where he wants to go. If Luongo truly was fine at going anywhere, he wouldn't of done this because there would be a bidding war on him right now. This is all my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I had the same feeling as well after listening to the interview carefully a couple times. It all smells like Gillis and Luongo having an agreement, the understanding that what's good for the team is good for Luongo. Generating more market interest ensures more possible suitors, more possible suitors means possible bidding war and higher return for Luongo. Something that Luongo said still has me a little irked, which was something to the effect of "I don't care who I'm traded for", then again why should he? Why would Luongo have any real vested interest in the return the Canucks receive as he is effectively going to become a Canuck rival no matter who he goes to simply because of the history with him and the organization and the number of years being here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john bell Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 It sounded like He would go anywhere if He thinks it was a good Team with a chance at the Cup. He already has moved away from Florida. He might even go to Edmonton for all you know. That is a team that could be good in a few Years. So His list of possible teams is broader than you might think, which benefits the Canucks. What about Washington (unlikely though). Washington likes Holtby obviously, but if they can get a deal on Luongo thay might do it? Even the FLyers could do something with "Bryz" for all you know. Trade Him to the KHL? The Flyers are a wealthy Team that can eat contracts like the Rangers. There are a few more options than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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