Tangelos Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 If the alternative is paying to dump Lou's contract then I'll take the 8.3 in cap every time. Like he was saying this allows us time and better bartering position, don't see how we lose because I don't think MG was planning to go crazy in free agency or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksinVic Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Only 1 goalie is on the ice on any given night. So either we'll have 5.3 million rotting on the bench one night, or 3+ million rotting on the bench another night when that money can be used on a player that can play every night. Even if we got say Marcel Goc and a 5th round pick for Luongo for example, at least Goc will be helping the team out every night. And while that may not be a fair trade for us in terms of value, a guy like Goc would make the team slightly better than if we had 2 starting goalies when you only need 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Here's another rumour of Lu to florida: To Florida: Roberto Luongo, Kevin Connauton To Vancouver: Tomas Fleishmann (Would have to waive his NMC/NTC), Drew Shore, 2013 1st Rd Pick, 2014 1st Rd Pick link - http://www.nhlsniper...ngo-to-florida/ Thought it was interesting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlas=d Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I understand the cap hit would be bigger if they started with the same overall number. What I'm saying is the overall number and lenght of cotract should have been shorter. You think that MG would do a 12 year deal again? No chance. The length is and will continue to be the only issue most people have with Lou's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Only 1 goalie is on the ice on any given night. So either we'll have 5.3 million rotting on the bench one night, or 3+ million rotting on the bench another night when that money can be used on a player that can play every night. Even if we got say Marcel Goc and a 5th round pick for Luongo for example, at least Goc will be helping the team out every night. And while that may not be a fair trade for us in terms of value, a guy like Goc would make the team slightly better than if we had 2 starting goalies when you only need 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlas=d Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Hence potentially switching Ballard and Komisarek (~4.2 mill contract for each) in a potential Lu deal, both guys are in need of a fresh start, I'd be willing to take kommy if they take Ballard, could benefit both teams Hamhuis - Bieksa Elder - Komisarek Tanev/Garrison - Schultz Salo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 yes... and Jovo's got a few good years left himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 No to Fleishmann. I prefer paying more or getting less for Weiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 no way vancouver gets to the scf if Luo isnt signed to that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggedy Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 No to Fleishmann. I prefer paying more or getting less for Weiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieColeman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 ballard does not need a fresh start if you actually watched the canucks last year you would of seen that ballard was one of our better dman towards the end of the year. He's finally adjusted and got back into form after is hip surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieColeman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 ballard does not need a fresh start if you actually watched the canucks last year you would of seen that ballard was one of our better dman towards the end of the year. He's finally adjusted and got back into form after is hip surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafizzle Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 So, Lou signs an 11 year deal and no SCF? Please, by all means, explain. You must think I don't know Lou is a great goalie. I'll make it simple. If Luongo had a shorter contract, say . . . 6 years with the same cap hit, I would think the current goaltender situation would be much easier to to resolve. Sign CS to a 3 year deal at 2+ mil (or whatever discount you get by making him the Heir Apparent) and let him become the "tested/proven" goaltender that so many of you think he isn't by being the 1b tender in the tandem. At the end of Lou's contract, let him [Lou] walk or become CS's back-up, because by then CS will be the obvious #1 and the tandem will have run its course.That's all. Gillis most likely regrets signing Lou for so long by now. I know this because I'm sure he doesn't want to have to be shopping one goalie while trying to protect another. He'd rather be trying to extend CS only. Much less complicated, much less stressful. Of course, he didn't know CS would turn out to be so god damn good, but if he would have signed Lou to a realistic deal in the first place, the flexibility would have been built in to the situation and he could have run with any number of scenerios, including a tandem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanEberle Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 So, Lou signs an 11 year deal and no SCF? Please, by all means, explain. You must think I don't know Lou is a great goalie. I'll make it simple. If Luongo had a shorter contract, say . . . 6 years with the same cap hit, I would think the current goaltender situation would be much easier to to resolve. Sign CS to a 3 year deal at 2+ mil (or whatever discount you get by making him the Heir Apparent) and let him become the "tested/proven" goaltender that so many of you think he isn't by being the 1b tender in the tandem. At the end of Lou's contract, let him [Lou] walk or become CS's back-up, because by then CS will be the obvious #1 and the tandem will have run its course.That's all. Gillis most likely regrets signing Lou for so long by now. I know this because I'm sure he doesn't want to have to be shopping one goalie while trying to protect another. He'd rather be trying to extend CS only. Much less complicated, much less stressful. Of course, he didn't know CS would turn out to be so god damn good, but if he would have signed Lou to a realistic deal in the first place, the flexibility would have been built in to the situation and he could have run with any number of scenerios, including a tandem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I see your point but Luongo's cap hit would never have been 5.3 if it was a 6 year deal. Gillis desperately wanted Luongo to stay with Vancouver and a long term deal was the only way he could keep the cap hit manageable. Luongo may have taken a 6 year deal but the hit may have been around 7 mil or something ridiculous as Luongo was a top goalie at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 1) Luongo's cap hit was only cheap BECAUSE it was so long. 2) No way schnieder would be sigining here anyways to play as a tandem. the guy wants (and deserves) a full time job. 3) Like you said, Gillis had no idea that CS would turn out this well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gady Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 If Luongo had a shorter contract, say . . . 6 years with the same cap hit, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-NucksFan Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Ed Jovanovski tells @goldieonice that Luongo is a top 5 goalie with years left at elite level; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gady Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 So how in the world are there any high quality assents ever signed for less than a dozen years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-NucksFan Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Hey guys, kind of unrelated to all the rumors, but just something I've been thinking about. If a trade was to go down with TOR, whats with all the hate towards Mike Komisarek? I just remember him being a fan fav in MTL and the dude is a 240 lb 6'4" hard hitting stay at home defenseman, wouldn't that be a good fit for us? At this point, I wouldn't be opposed to almost switching Ballard with Komisarek in a potential Lu deal, as I think Ballards smooth skating skill game is better suited on the east coast, and Komisareks big body might be better suited for the west coast type of play. Basically, what has Komisarek done in TOR to warrant all this displeasure with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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