Tortorella's Rant Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Whatever. Canucks fans are just so spoiled. I wasn't at all a fan of some of the stunts Luongo has pulled in the playoffs over the years but I still have enough of a level head to respect Luongo for what he truly is: a top 7 or so netminder in the game and one of the best of the last decade. A few meltdowns in the playoffs, no matter how critical, absolutely do not define him, nor deminish his status as an elite goaltender. I hope he gets the respect he deserves wherever he is traded. He is treated like crap here by the possibly the most idiotic and irrational fanbase in the entire NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuxFan09 Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 The meltdowns against Chicago were the worst part of it. At least he got some offense to back him up and wasn't good enough. Against Boston, it doesn't matter how well he could have/should have played, the offense wasn't there in the first place and the chances of winning were virtually zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Game 7 OT 2011 playoffs on Sharp. Several times in the tight games against Boston. Also. YouTube is your friend. Luongo was the Canucks MVP last year. I think you have Luongo mixed up the fleury and bruzgalov during the playoffs this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gumballthechewy Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 haha I totally feel the same way. I call it 'Half Christmas' which I stole from workaholics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Too bad Luongo hasn't played like an elite goaltender for a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Ok, im not a huge Luongo fan, but thats just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I am a Luongo fan and it's true. He's been good but not elite. I would put him as the 6 or 7th best goalie. My definition of elite is top 5. Is that ok princess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieColeman Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Blind luongo lovers are quick to say Playoff losses were not his fault but rather a team thing, but also quick to give him all the credit for playoff success. You have to realize we've had a great team the past couple years and other goaltenders would also have had success playing in front of our team. In my opinion we have to go with the younger, cheaper and arguably better goalie, the goalie who was usually the star even when we were getting blown out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 You are cherry picking examples to prove a point - anyone can do that and it makes for a poor argument. Here are counter-examples to every one of your points: 1) There's no way that series should have gone 7 games. Luongo was an absolute sieve in games 4 and 5. 2) You're really going to cite Boston as an example of Luongo being clutch? He was, at best, bipolar in that series. 3) Canucks MVP - as voted on by the team. So what? Was he voted MVP by the media or players? No. Look, you need to understand that I'm not trashing Luongo. He's a good goalie but not elite. When a game is on the line how confident are you that Luongo is going to make the big save? I'd love Luongo to have a rebound year next year and return to the goalie he was when he first came to Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Blind luongo lovers are quick to say Playoff losses were not his fault but rather a team thing, but also quick to give him all the credit for playoff success. You have to realize we've had a great team the past couple years and other goaltenders would also have had success playing in front of our team. In my opinion we have to go with the younger, cheaper and arguably better goalie, the goalie who was usually the star even when we were getting blown out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Good enough to get the spot on team Canada and win gold. Good enough to bring us into the playoffs every year and to the cup final. But I'm sure you can rate players professionally, far better than team Canada right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 You and I both know that Broduer played himself out of the number 1 role. The general consensus (outside of Vancouver) is that Luongo won because of the team in front of him. Or did you forget the goal he let in in the dying seconds to tie the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 he was a sieve in Games 4 and 5 of the Chicago series. And lights out in games 1, 2, 6, and the most important game of all 7. In the Boston series he just could pull out a 4 game. He wouldve had to have been absolutely perfect to out duel Thomas, (see games 1, 2 and 5). I dont blame Luongo for the Boston loss (not entirely anyway) Thomas was a machine. The Canucks werent even playing that badly (35 shots a game aver) but you could see their inability to find a weakness wore on them. But had Luongo managed to keep the game close in any one of the losses it might have turned out differently (see games 1, 2 and 6) I would like you to list whom you consider Elite goaltenders in this league. Thomas, Quick..they both have Cups...but so does Niemi. Lundquvist, Rinne, Elliot, Smith? All great goaltenders but havent helped their team get anywhere in the playoffs. All of them other than Smith has a very good team in front of them defensively. I would bet for the right price, a good number of teams in this league would swap out there current starter for Luongo, and he take most bubble teams in this league into the playoffs. So, ,who is Elite in this league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Every single player on Team Canada won because of the teammates they played with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 An elite level goaltender is one that makes the clutch save when the team needs it most and steals games for the team. Ask yourself this: has Luongo been this goaltender over the past 2-3 years? Luongo had great numbers last year but consider how well the team played in front of him. Vancouver led the league in goals and allowed the fewest against. In spite of this Luongo was probably the 3rd best goalie stat-wise in the league. Luongo is a good, maybe even great goalie but he's NOT elite. Sorry to burst your bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 You and I both know that Broduer played himself out of the number 1 role. The general consensus (outside of Vancouver) is that Luongo won because of the team in front of him. Or did you forget the goal he let in in the dying seconds to tie the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Just stupid. Do some reading other than CDC. Then reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 he was a sieve in Games 4 and 5 of the Chicago series. And lights out in games 1, 2, 6, and the most important game of all 7. In the Boston series he just could pull out a 4 game. He wouldve had to have been absolutely perfect to out duel Thomas, (see games 1, 2 and 5). I dont blame Luongo for the Boston loss (not entirely anyway) Thomas was a machine. The Canucks werent even playing that badly (35 shots a game aver) but you could see their inability to find a weakness wore on them. But had Luongo managed to keep the game close in any one of the losses it might have turned out differently (see games 1, 2 and 6) I would like you to list whom you consider Elite goaltenders in this league. Thomas, Quick..they both have Cups...but so does Niemi. Lundquvist, Rinne, Elliot, Smith? All great goaltenders but havent helped their team get anywhere in the playoffs. All of them other than Smith has a very good team in front of them defensively. I would bet for the right price, a good number of teams in this league would swap out there current starter for Luongo, and he take most bubble teams in this league into the playoffs. So, ,who is Elite in this league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Sorry to burst yours too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Just stupid. Do some reading other than CDC. Then reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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