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#211 unknown33429

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:11 PM

I like this pick for the most part, but they say he needs to work on his skating. I hate the idea of centres being slow, makes them iffy defensively.
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Are you CRAZY??? Trade Green for ONE first round pick?? He's restricted after this season.... He WILL get an offer sheet for 7-8 million from a number of teams regardless if he plays another minute for us or not. That offer sheet would be worth 4 first round draft choices.


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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:18 PM

The canucks have been very successful you are correct. But the twins and kes and burr won't be around forever. The future of this team scares me alittle. Maybe i should have alittle more faith in management and that they will develop the right players the right way. But it's been customary for the canucks to be a winning hockey club and i really want that to continue after we lose the twins and our other role players.


True enough, in that the Sedins, Burrows and Bieksa are probably not around for more than perhaps another 3 - 5 years. However, Kesler is only 27, Hansen is 26, Schneider (assuming he isn't traded) is only 26. With guys like Kassian (21), Jensen (19), Lack (24), and now Gaunce (18) I think the Canucks aren't in that bad shape at all. The only caveat in this is that I see the prospects on defence as being a bit thin. There is Sauve (22) and Connauton (22), Gragnani (25) and Tanev (22), but I wouldn't say that the Canucks have a huge amount of depth in these guys. They're going to be good, but just how good remains to be seen.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:21 PM

I like this pick for the most part, but they say he needs to work on his skating. I hate the idea of centres being slow, makes them iffy defensively.

Mike Richards and Jordan Staal are slow as slugs but they're still pretty good.

The centre position is actually the only position where speed isn't a necessity. Centres don't forecheck so they are not required to gain the zone quickly.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:24 PM

True enough, in that the Sedins, Burrows and Bieksa are probably not around for more than perhaps another 3 - 5 years. However, Kesler is only 27, Hansen is 26, Schneider (assuming he isn't traded) is only 26. With guys like Kassian (21), Jensen (19), Lack (24), and now Gaunce (18) I think the Canucks aren't in that bad shape at all. The only caveat in this is that I see the prospects on defence as being a bit thin. There is Sauve (22) and Connauton (22), Gragnani (25) and Tanev (22), but I wouldn't say that the Canucks have a huge amount of depth in these guys. They're going to be good, but just how good remains to be seen.

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You know it's refreshing to have someone on here with positive thoughts on the future of this team. There is no doom and gloom in you. I respect that very much.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:27 PM

Meat and spuds, Canadian boy, Big body. It's a move in the right direction.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:28 PM

True enough, in that the Sedins, Burrows and Bieksa are probably not around for more than perhaps another 3 - 5 years. However, Kesler is only 27, Hansen is 26, Schneider (assuming he isn't traded) is only 26. With guys like Kassian (21), Jensen (19), Lack (24), and now Gaunce (18) I think the Canucks aren't in that bad shape at all. The only caveat in this is that I see the prospects on defence as being a bit thin. There is Sauve (22) and Connauton (22), Gragnani (25) and Tanev (22), but I wouldn't say that the Canucks have a huge amount of depth in these guys. They're going to be good, but just how good remains to be seen.

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The only problem is we don't really have any sniper or pure skill guys in the farm. Kassian, Jensen and Gaunce are great, but to me they're all power forward type players. Where are our future playmakers and snipers?
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:30 PM

i think it is for tribute to smyl retiring from the organization



Where did they say that Smyl was retiring from the organization?
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:31 PM

The only problem is we don't really have any sniper or pure skill guys in the farm. Kassian, Jensen and Gaunce are great, but to me they're all power forward type players. Where are our future playmakers and snipers?

Jensen is a sniper, Schroeder is a playmaker.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:32 PM

The only problem is we don't really have any sniper or pure skill guys in the farm. Kassian, Jensen and Gaunce are great, but to me they're all power forward type players. Where are our future playmakers and snipers?


Can't get a sniper allstar know a days unless you have a terrible team. Edmonton will have a good team in 2-3 years cause they sucked for so long and got great talent through high draft picks. I can wait awhile longer before we get the first pick in the draft.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:32 PM

True enough, in that the Sedins, Burrows and Bieksa are probably not around for more than perhaps another 3 - 5 years. However, Kesler is only 27, Hansen is 26, Schneider (assuming he isn't traded) is only 26. With guys like Kassian (21), Jensen (19), Lack (24), and now Gaunce (18) I think the Canucks aren't in that bad shape at all. The only caveat in this is that I see the prospects on defence as being a bit thin. There is Sauve (22) and Connauton (22), Gragnani (25) and Tanev (22), but I wouldn't say that the Canucks have a huge amount of depth in these guys. They're going to be good, but just how good remains to be seen.

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Don't forget guys like Rodin, LaBate, Grenier and Corrado who are developing as well. We have a lot of prospects that project to be bottom-9 guys. Te only real complaint anyone should have is that we dont have any surefire first line players in our system but thats because of where we finish so its hard to get those kind of prospects.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:33 PM

First draft you've ever watched? Welcome to 2012. Every player gets a jersey with their draft year. Meaning 12.


Please read the entire thread where I detailed why I posted that comment. Asshat.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:35 PM

Maybe he's good at faceoffs, so he can provide another awesome goal-scoring line, along with Schroeder.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:35 PM

Mike Richards and Jordan Staal are slow as slugs but they're still pretty good.

The centre position is actually the only position where speed isn't a necessity. Centres don't forecheck so they are not required to gain the zone quickly.


Good point, but centres have to be the most responsible defensively for the most part. Kesler, and Hossa (I know he's not a centre) get Selke buzz because they can get back quickly to the defensive zone. Just my opinion.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:36 PM

Can't get a sniper allstar know a days unless you have a terrible team. Edmonton will have a good team in 2-3 years cause they sucked for so long and got great talent through high draft picks. I can wait awhile longer before we get the first pick in the draft.


Everyone keeps saying they are going to be so good in 2-3 years but they still lack a #1&2 defensive pairing. They also have a crappy bottom-6. And there are ?'s about Dubnyk. So they've got 1, maybe two good lines if Paajvari and Gagner can keep developing.

They'll be good but won't be contenders until the fix their bottom-6 an defense.

We weren't considered contenders until 2 years ago when we went out and got Torres, Hamhuis and Malholtra.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:38 PM

Maybe as a bit of a tribute to the guy that wore number 12 and has been with the organization since he was drafted. Perhaps because it is the first time a retired number has ever been given out by the Canucks at a draft. Your panties seem to be wound way to tight.


Both plausible possibilities.

Did you read my explanation as to why I thought it was odd?

I bet you didn't. Instead you came in here and decided an ad-hom attack was so much more suitable as a response.

Panties? Right... I'm done with them now... care for a sniff ? :rolleyes:
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:38 PM

Good point, but centres have to be the most responsible defensively for the most part. Kesler, and Hossa (I know he's not a centre) get Selke buzz because they can get back quickly to the defensive zone. Just my opinion.


Staal and Richards are not fast skaters but they have both been Selke candidates.

Gaunce isnt as slow as scouts say he is, its more along the lines of, if u must pick something wrong with the kid, it would be his speed.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:39 PM

Can't get a sniper allstar know a days unless you have a terrible team. Edmonton will have a good team in 2-3 years cause they sucked for so long and got great talent through high draft picks. I can wait awhile longer before we get the first pick in the draft.


We won't be drafting first any time soon, so don't hold your breath. As for the Oilers, all those young guys will get VERY expensive soon. They better hurry up or they'll be the Hawks without the success.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:40 PM

Good point, but centres have to be the most responsible defensively for the most part. Kesler, and Hossa (I know he's not a centre) get Selke buzz because they can get back quickly to the defensive zone. Just my opinion.


Sedin is pretty slow as well and he is defensively responsible. Centres are smart enough to not put themselves in vulnerable positions.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:41 PM

We won't be drafting first any time soon, so don't hold your breath. As for the Oilers, all those young guys will get VERY expensive soon. They better hurry up or they'll be the Hawks without the success.


Trust me im not holding my breath. The last thing i want is the first pick in the draft.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:43 PM

what do you like about samuelson more that gance

I just have a gut feeling that samuelson will be the better player.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:43 PM

The only problem is we don't really have any sniper or pure skill guys in the farm. Kassian, Jensen and Gaunce are great, but to me they're all power forward type players. Where are our future playmakers and snipers?


In my opinion, if the Canucks take their time to develop the skill side of Gaunce's game, he could be a great playmaker for the Canucks in the future. A lot of comments I've read about Gaunce involved his vision and ability to slow the game down and make plays. In a nutshell, this guy screams Ryan Getzlaf. Getzlaf is a power centre who isn't the best skater or shooter but uses his size to protect the puck and make plays and was never an offensive dynamo in junior. In fact, in his last year in junior Getzlaf put up a mere 29 goals, 25 assists, 54 points in 51 games.

Point being, Gaunce has the tools to be a #1/2 power centre with vision and good passing skills. It's not agiven at all he reaches his ceiling, but with time and good development, the Canucks can absolutely get more than a two way 3rd line centre out of him. The Ducks sure did with Ryan Getzlaf.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:44 PM

Trust me im not holding my breath. The last thing i want is the first pick in the draft.


What if we trade Luogo for the Leafs 1st next year and they win the lottery?
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:44 PM

I just have a gut feeling that samuelson will be the better player.


Based on what?
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:46 PM

What if we trade Luogo for the Leafs 1st next year and they win the lottery?


Hmmmm interesting thought sir, I like the cut of your jib and would like to subscribe to your news letter.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:48 PM

Based on what?

His Gut.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:48 PM

Jensen is a sniper, Schroeder is a playmaker.


I don't know, to me Jensen seems like Johan Franzen (who I consider to be a power forward) but who knows maybe he'll become more of a Loui Eriksson. Too early to tell.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:48 PM

Sedin is pretty slow as well and he is defensively responsible. Centres are smart enough to not put themselves in vulnerable positions.


I'd say, as far as high end centres go, Henrik is pretty poor defensively. Bolland always puts up pretty good numbers against us, and he's almost always on the ice with #33.

Staal and Richards are not fast skaters but they have both been Selke candidates.

Gaunce isnt as slow as scouts say he is, its more along the lines of, if u must pick something wrong with the kid, it would be his speed.


That's good. Slow players can be great defensively, but I have a preference for faster players in the centre position; players like Kesler.
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Are you CRAZY??? Trade Green for ONE first round pick?? He's restricted after this season.... He WILL get an offer sheet for 7-8 million from a number of teams regardless if he plays another minute for us or not. That offer sheet would be worth 4 first round draft choices.


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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:50 PM

Hope we can trade up for a high 2nd round pick. Really want Samuelsson

I was really hoping for Samuelsson as well. If Lu's going to Toronto, their second rounder best be coming back so we can snag someone like Frk

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:51 PM

I'd say, as far as high end centres go, Henrik is pretty poor defensively. Bolland always puts up pretty good numbers against us, and he's almost always on the ice with #33.


There's a reason Henrik gets +30 every year unlike Brad Richards for example who always seems to be a minus player. Henrik is rarely on the ice when the opposing team scores.

EDIT: on a completely random note, does anyone know what's the scoop with the CBA? I really hope there's not another lockout considering the Canucks aren't getting any younger.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:51 PM

His Gut.


Maybe he's hungry?

Too many people giving opinions on players they have never seen play.
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