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I still don't know if I like this pick from the 2nd round.

He's doing ok in an ECHL league which is good but he's a 2nd round pick who was (correct me if I'm wrong), passed over before in a previous NHL draft.

I still think this pick was overly-safe, considering we didn't have the 3rd or the two fourth round picks for that year.

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I still don't know if I like this pick from the 2nd round.

He's doing ok in an ECHL league which is good but he's a 2nd round pick who was (correct me if I'm wrong), passed over before in a previous NHL draft.

I still think this pick was overly-safe, considering we didn't have the 3rd or the two fourth round picks for that year.

Apparently some other teams were planning to pick him in the 3rd. I think it was 'now or never' for the Nucks at that time.

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Apparently some other teams were planning to pick him in the 3rd. I think it was 'now or never' for the Nucks at that time.

In that case, Canucks (not sure if they haven't tried this already) should have traded down.

He was not previously ranked (if that means anything at all)

Here's the stats I pulled prior to him getting drafted in 2012.

Edit: WOW, the tables don't show up very well on here. :(

http://www.nhl.com/i....htm?id=8475978

That to me, is not really 2nd round material. The Q is known for its inflated stats.

If you were to make an argument that he was picked for 'size', there were other players producing higher output with bigger size.

For example, Justin Kea (Sabre's 3rd round pick)

http://www.nhl.com/i....htm?id=8476901

Listed as 6'4 and is younger than Mallet by 1.5 years.

Talent Analysis

At 6-3 and 212 lbs., Kea certainly possesses the size to play the NHL game. Offense is not his game, however, with Kea instead being a defensive specialist responsible for shutting down the other team's forwards. Kea plays that role very well which may bode well for his prospects at the next level, where he could slide into the third- or fourth-line center position.

Future

Considered a project, Kea will stay in the OHL for as long as he can before joining Rochester. Given his talent and skillset, Kea is not expected to join the Buffalo lineup until much later.

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Jujhar Khaira

6'3 - and 2 years younger than Mallet. Surrey boy.

HockeyFuture Profile:

Whlie Prince George Spruce Kings linemate Paul De Jersey provided the skill, Khaira was the power forward on his line, where he used his size and work ethic to finish plays around the net. Khaira needs to work on his foot speed, which is mostly adequate at this stage of his development. Khaira has the drive and determination to make the pro game in time, but he'll be continuing his development next season at Michigan Tech.

Future

Khaira will play his freshman season at Michigan Tech University and could see time on the team's top two forward lines. He will have time at the NCAA level to develop his overall game and might turn out to be the big power forward the Oilers have been searching for their NHL line-up.

A poster from HFBoards says (when picked by the Oilers in the 3rd round)

http://hfboards.hock...d.php?t=1214689

Oh wow, people aren't gonna like this pick.

Khaira is a big kid from the BCHL, good skater, great hands, high scorer. Just looks early to take him.

Came on really strong this year, development curve headed way up.

Hindsight Analysis:

http://hfboards.hock....php?p=56190001

Originally Posted by jmoss45 viewpost.gif

Solid start for him this year for sure. Does anyone have any comparables for a player like him entering NCAA the year after he's drafted, and putting up similar points? His stats are impressive at first glance, just wondering if I should taper my expectations.

Just took a quick glance, but it looks like you have to go back to Kyle Turris and Riley Nash's freshman years in 07/08 to find a freshman coming out of the BCHL putting up more than around 0.7 points per game.

edit: Should specify that that's 19 year old freshmen.

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Oskar Sundqvist of Sweden. 6'3 also 1.5 years younger than Mallet. Shoots Right (same as Mallet)

http://www.nhl.com/i....htm?id=8476897

Talent Analysis (as of Hockeyfuture)

A tall, rangy forward with a nasty on-ice disposition and offensive talent to spare, Oskar Sundqvist brings a unique package of skills to the center position. Having played in the lower levels of Swedish junior hockey, Sundqvist's upside is largely still unknown. However, given his size, skating, and offensive skills, he could one day develop into an effective two-way center.

Considering the first time he played on a North American ice surface was at the Pittsburgh Penguins developmental camp in July 2012, it is safe to say Sundqvist is very much a long-term project. Aside from learning how to play on a smaller rink, he must add considerable weight and strength to his frame, possibly as much as 20 or 30 pounds. He also needs to develop more explosiveness and cut back on dumb, retaliatory penalties.

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I'm not claiming to be an expert on drafting but I am a bit appalled at why the "Mallet" pick is justified. A 2nd round pick isn't a guaranteed pick by any means but we'll have to see if the Mallet pick was worth it when the above examples were still very much available, younger, bigger and generated identical points.

I think our scouting still needs work and is far from the scouts found in Pitts/Det or even Edmonton's

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In that case, Canucks (not sure if they haven't tried this already) should have traded down.

He was not previously ranked (if that means anything at all)

Here's the stats I pulled prior to him getting drafted in 2012.

Edit: WOW, the tables don't show up very well on here. :(

http://www.nhl.com/i....htm?id=8475978

That to me, is not really 2nd round material. The Q is known for its inflated stats.

If you were to make an argument that he was picked for 'size', there were other players producing higher output with bigger size.

For example, Justin Kea (Sabre's 3rd round pick)

http://www.nhl.com/i....htm?id=8476901

Listed as 6'4 and is younger than Mallet by 1.5 years.

Talent Analysis

At 6-3 and 212 lbs., Kea certainly possesses the size to play the NHL game. Offense is not his game, however, with Kea instead being a defensive specialist responsible for shutting down the other team's forwards. Kea plays that role very well which may bode well for his prospects at the next level, where he could slide into the third- or fourth-line center position.

Future

Considered a project, Kea will stay in the OHL for as long as he can before joining Rochester. Given his talent and skillset, Kea is not expected to join the Buffalo lineup until much later.

--------------------------

Jujhar Khaira

6'3 - and 2 years younger than Mallet. Surrey boy.

HockeyFuture Profile:

Whlie Prince George Spruce Kings linemate Paul De Jersey provided the skill, Khaira was the power forward on his line, where he used his size and work ethic to finish plays around the net. Khaira needs to work on his foot speed, which is mostly adequate at this stage of his development. Khaira has the drive and determination to make the pro game in time, but he'll be continuing his development next season at Michigan Tech.

Future

Khaira will play his freshman season at Michigan Tech University and could see time on the team's top two forward lines. He will have time at the NCAA level to develop his overall game and might turn out to be the big power forward the Oilers have been searching for their NHL line-up.

A poster from HFBoards says (when picked by the Oilers in the 3rd round)

http://hfboards.hock...d.php?t=1214689

Oh wow, people aren't gonna like this pick.

Khaira is a big kid from the BCHL, good skater, great hands, high scorer. Just looks early to take him.

Came on really strong this year, development curve headed way up.

Hindsight Analysis:

http://hfboards.hock....php?p=56190001

Originally Posted by jmoss45 viewpost.gif

Solid start for him this year for sure. Does anyone have any comparables for a player like him entering NCAA the year after he's drafted, and putting up similar points? His stats are impressive at first glance, just wondering if I should taper my expectations.

Just took a quick glance, but it looks like you have to go back to Kyle Turris and Riley Nash's freshman years in 07/08 to find a freshman coming out of the BCHL putting up more than around 0.7 points per game.

edit: Should specify that that's 19 year old freshmen.

---------------------------------------------------

Oskar Sundqvist of Sweden. 6'3 also 1.5 years younger than Mallet. Shoots Right (same as Mallet)

http://www.nhl.com/i....htm?id=8476897

Talent Analysis (as of Hockeyfuture)

A tall, rangy forward with a nasty on-ice disposition and offensive talent to spare, Oskar Sundqvist brings a unique package of skills to the center position. Having played in the lower levels of Swedish junior hockey, Sundqvist's upside is largely still unknown. However, given his size, skating, and offensive skills, he could one day develop into an effective two-way center.

Considering the first time he played on a North American ice surface was at the Pittsburgh Penguins developmental camp in July 2012, it is safe to say Sundqvist is very much a long-term project. Aside from learning how to play on a smaller rink, he must add considerable weight and strength to his frame, possibly as much as 20 or 30 pounds. He also needs to develop more explosiveness and cut back on dumb, retaliatory penalties.

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I'm not claiming to be an expert on drafting but I am a bit appalled at why the "Mallet" pick is justified. A 2nd round pick isn't a guaranteed pick by any means but we'll have to see if the Mallet pick was worth it when the above examples were still very much available, younger, bigger and generated identical points.

I think our scouting still needs work and is far from the scouts found in Pitts/Det or even Edmonton's

I can't claim to know much about these players, but I like Mallet's overall combination of size, smarts, skill, toughness and his heavy shot.

I know he's 2 years older than these other guys but I'm guessing the Canucks' thinking is that they project him to be a better player in pro hockey. Time will tell, and right now I think it's too early to make a judgement anyway.

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I can't claim to know much about these players, but I like Mallet's overall combination of size, smarts, skill, toughness and his heavy shot.

I know he's 2 years older than these other guys but I'm guessing the Canucks' thinking is that they project him to be a better player in pro hockey. Time will tell, and right now I think it's too early to make a judgement anyway.

I didn't know about the above players either but I felt convinced that Mallet wasn't the best pick at that particular spot.

That being said, I also wasn't aware of the bolded which you just mentioned.

Sometimes it is really tempting/easier to make 'outsider observations', like I did, and you're right - it's far too early to make judgements. From the little I've heard of Mallet, it seems he has "character", which before reading your post, I thought, at the time, was a flimsy reason for going 'off-the-board' for. I hope he does well though, genuinely and becomes someone like Burrows who is a major part of this team.

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