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Does Burke know what a quality goaltender is anymore?


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Posted 24 June 2012 - 10:02 PM

Yes, Burke knows whats a quality goalie. He has one stanley cup ring, one more than you'll ever have. He is a gm, a profession you will never have a chance of being. Quit questioning a professional, they are called professionals for a reason


like mike milbury?

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 11:00 PM

Dan Cloutier. Nuff said.


This opinion is such BS. Clouts was a good goaltender, and when he played the Canucks never missed the playoffs.

Yeah he had troubles in the playoffs, but so did the rest of the team. Go back and watch the 2002 series against Detroit, or the 03 series against Minny. Yeah, they scored a few goals in 2003, but their back end was a mess.

The team was clearly the second best on the ice and it was turnover central in many of those games.

The only reason why Cloutier never recovered was due to injuries sustained against Calgary in 2004 and against the Ducks in a regular season game in 2005/2006, when Rob Niedermayer ran him, effectively ending his Canucks career and was the catalyst for his eventual retirement after an injury plagued stint in Los Angeles.(and unsuccessful comeback attempt with the Red Wings)

For those fans that care to remember what the team was like 11 years ago, there weren't any goaltenders that could stop the puck for the Canucks consistently enough for them to succeed. Clouts stepped in and was consistent.

So if you really want to associate Cloutier with poor goaltending, go ahead. I guarantee you that if he had not been brought to Vancouver, the team would have continued to miss the playoffs, and who knows where they would be now.
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What are you talking about? The Flames are one of the teams that gets good value contracts


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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:22 AM

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I dare you to find one other goalie with a playoff save percentage this low (at least 10 games played). Then I dare you to call that goalie a "good goaltender".
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 07:31 PM

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I dare you to find one other goalie with a playoff save percentage this low (at least 10 games played). Then I dare you to call that goalie a "good goaltender".


Marc Andre Fleury posted sub .900 playoff save percentages the last three seasons, including a .834 last postseason for the Penguins, considered by many to be one of the best teams in the NHL.

Most people consider him to be a good goaltender, if not great.

What you don't seem to understand is that Dan Cloutier was able to have three consecutive 30+ win seasons when those who came before him couldn't catch a cold. Also, these are pre-lockout wins, real hockey wins. None of this shootout BS, where goalies who effectively are only good enough to tie get a shot at winning anyway.

But please, continue to crack Cloutier jokes. I just think it's ironic how considering how many inconsistent goalies have put on the Canucks uniform over the years, you would label one of the team's better goalies as a poster boy for failure. It's ignorant and stupid, and you can't defend a position like that.
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What are you talking about? The Flames are one of the teams that gets good value contracts


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Posted 26 June 2012 - 04:25 PM

As someone who was a fan of the Vancouver Canucks when Burke was GM, I have to ask:

Did Burke ever know what a quality goaltender is?

Kevin Weekes (Goalie of the Future) and Martin Brochu endorse your notion.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:04 PM

Yes, Burke knows whats a quality goalie. He has one stanley cup ring, one more than you'll ever have. He is a gm, a profession you will never have a chance of being. Quit questioning a professional, they are called professionals for a reason


And yet, miraculously, the Leafs always have sub-par goal tending. So explain that one.

There is nothing wrong with questioning Burke's ability to assess talent, he aquired Kessel and figured that would be enough to get into the playoffs. Yet the Leafs finished second to last in the league that same year.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:45 PM

reimer is burke's cloutier

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:48 PM

And yet, miraculously, the Leafs always have sub-par goal tending. So explain that one.

There is nothing wrong with questioning Burke's ability to assess talent, he aquired Kessel and figured that would be enough to get into the playoffs. Yet the Leafs finished second to last in the league that same year.


Kessel needs to be on a team like Boston otherwise he is useless he plays like a giant feline for Toronto because he is afraid to get hit.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 07:04 PM

Kessel needs to be on a team like Boston otherwise he is useless he plays like a giant feline for Toronto because he is afraid to get hit.

agreed
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 07:29 PM

As someone who was a fan of the Vancouver Canucks when Burke was GM, I have to ask:

Did Burke ever know what a quality goaltender is?


That Dan Cloutier guy was pretty good despite what people choose to think.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:39 PM

I actually agree that Cloutier was a lot better than people said. Proof is in the fact that when he went down to that basically career ending injury, look at how bad they were without him in net. He was a battler and a competitor.

But Burkes track record speaks well for himself. Arguably two successful goaltenders fielded in his career as GM, out of how many?






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