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#91 Kryten

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:50 AM

Where did the Preds apparent Stanley Cup defence get them this year? What would you claim as Weber's masterpiece in the Phoenix series? 1a? How was he last year against the Canucks? 0 points. And a minus in both series. If Weber had put up the numbers he did as a Canuck, he'd be beaten down just like Edler has been. Even worse at his salary. Oh, but he was GREAT in the regular season!!!


Weber played great this past playoffs. People tend to look really stupid when using the stats sheets to complain instead of watching the games, unfortunately this is an epidemic on CDC.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:51 AM

Where did the Preds apparent Stanley Cup defence get them this year? What would you claim as Weber's masterpiece in the Phoenix series? 1a? How was he last year against the Canucks? 0 points. And a minus in both series. If Weber had put up the numbers he did as a Canuck, he'd be beaten down just like Edler has been. Even worse at his salary. Oh, but he was GREAT in the regular season!!!


Oh Gradin. You don't like Shea Weber do you? That's okay. We are all different people with different opinions.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:53 AM

Oh Gradin. You don't like Shea Weber do you? That's okay. We are all different people with different opinions.


Love Weber, but his playoff performances aren't memorable unless you include knocking a guy's head into the glass.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:55 AM

I think you're on the right track with the bolded. The personnel the Canucks have on the blueline is top notch. There is no way any of us should be looking at our defense and saying this isn't good enough for a Cup winning team. I will agree that one more top 4 guy is needed, maybe a guy like Jason Garrison to add a steadying presence, but our defense is not a mess. I doubt anyone looked at the Kings blueline, a group whose 3rd pairing consists of two rookies and a defensive specialist in Mitchell whom most Canucks fans have blasted for costing the Canucks the series against Chicago, a Cup winning group.

The way I see it, Edler is on the brink of rounding out into a #1 all around defenseman and Hamhuis-Bieksa make up a well above average 2nd pairing (Hamhuis was 10th in Norris votes this year), while Ballard, although overpaid for a guy playing on the 3rd pairing, is a way above average 3rd pairing defenseman, which basically ensures that every pairing the Canucks have is safe to put out. The blueline is pretty damn complete and, like I said, just needs a guy like Garrison to round it all out.


The thing with the Kings is that they balanced one stay at home blueliner with one offensive blueliner. Everyone demonstrated through their play that they were sure of their roles and what was required from them.

That wasn't evident with the Canucks defense. They were caught out of position far too much during the playoffs

Again, this points to Bowness.

For Edler to round into a number one, he will have to be consistent and a lot less forgiving of the opposing team getting anywhere near Schneider/Luongo/Lack/whoever ends up starting. He needs to use his size more.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:59 AM

I didn't realize Perry would leave money to play with his good buddy. Man, you can learn so much here.


Well I don't know Perry at all, he may want the money, but I'll be surprised if Perry and Getzlaf don't go as a package deal.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:59 AM

Weber played great this past playoffs. People tend to look really stupid when using the stats sheets to complain instead of watching the games, unfortunately this is an epidemic on CDC.


A soon to be $8M a year dman who plays every second shift and is looked upon to add offence puts up 1 point in his teams last two series losses and a minus. A PP QB who's team couldn't score on the PP.

It's always fun when some teams leaders get applauded for playing well despite losing annually while others get strung up and crucified.

Kryten, the true epidemic on this site is the people that somehow watch EVERY GAME in EVERY LEAGUE on the planet and think they have a sensible opinion on every player who played.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:02 AM

The thing with the Kings is that they balanced one stay at home blueliner with one offensive blueliner. Everyone demonstrated through their play that they were sure of their roles and what was required from them.

That wasn't evident with the Canucks defense. They were caught out of position far too much during the playoffs

Again, this points to Bowness.


For Edler to round into a number one, he will have to be consistent and a lot less forgiving of the opposing team getting anywhere near Schneider/Luongo/Lack/whoever ends up starting. He needs to use his size more.


Bingo. Gotta agree with you there. The Canucks have the personnel. They just need a better guide.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:03 AM

I just look at Edker needing a significant raise next summer, if we can move him for a top winger, you need to do it, but it would have to blow your socks off.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:39 AM

Who other than Edler has significant value, that as fans, your willing to part with?
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:44 AM

Who other than Edler has significant value, that as fans, your willing to part with?


Kesler
Luongo
Schneider
Booth

Everyone is expendable except those with NTCs that aren't willing to move them.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:28 PM

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Higgins Kesler Booth
Matthias C.Wilson Hansen
Upshall Lapierre Kassian/Weise
Weber Franson
Hamhuis Bieksa
Schultz Salo/Alberts
Schneider
Lack

To Nashville: Edler, Tanev, 1st rounder, 3rd rounder, Schroeder,
To Vancouver: Weber, C.Wilson

To Toronto: Raymond
To Vancouver: Franson

To Florida: Luongo
To Vancouver: Upshall, Mattias 2nd/3rd round pick

Sign Schultz

To Anyone: Ballard
To Vancouver: 3rd round pick

re-sign Salo
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#102 Blood Fiend

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:50 PM

Is ballard really all that bad....he seemed pretty solid in the playoffs.

he seems to make about 1 mill to much, but i think since his arrival hes 100% better player
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:19 PM

flip edler for ovetchkin

sedin sedin ovie, plan the parade
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:28 PM

Starving for some actual news :sick: Please Gods let something happen actually worth talking about!!!
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 02:30 PM

flip edler for ovetchkin

sedin sedin ovie, plan the parade

Lol, worst defensive forward line in history. :lol:
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:45 PM

Where did the Preds apparent Stanley Cup defence get them this year? What would you claim as Weber's masterpiece in the Phoenix series? 1a? How was he last year against the Canucks? 0 points. And a minus in both series. If Weber had put up the numbers he did as a Canuck, he'd be beaten down just like Edler has been. Even worse at his salary. Oh, but he was GREAT in the regular season!!!


lol, Where did the Preds apparent Stanley Cup defence get them this year? A lot further than 5 post season games the Nucks got.
. I'd swap D all day long with the Preds, anything to dump the flaky faker Bxa.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:25 PM

With the players that Mike Gillis hasn't qualified, along with all the rumors of blockbuster trades, Im curious if Edler is a piece of the puzzle, underestimated by most of us.

Theres not a whole lot of what most fans would consider 'moveable' assets in the canucks organization.

The rumors of Schultz and Garrison comming, or wanting to come to Van, along with the UFA's on the market. some times 1+1 = 2, and some times 2x - 8 = 2.

Maybe grasping at straws, but too many of the rumors seem way to obvious.

there is no rumor of Garrison coming ( thankfully)
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:37 PM

Kesler
Luongo
Schneider
Booth

Everyone is expendable except those with NTCs that aren't willing to move them.


Kesler, Edler, Schneider & picks for Getzlaf & Perry?

Would you do it?
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:27 PM

how about we just get edler some wood sticks instead of those toothpicks he has been using and he will get 100pts and be +40 for the year.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:34 PM

Kesler, Edler, Schneider & picks for Getzlaf & Perry?

Would you do it?


No, not, never.

We need to address defence. If we are to trade Edler it would be for a better defenceman.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:29 PM

Lol, worst defensive forward line in history. :lol:


Can't be bad defensively if the opposition never has the puck!
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:31 PM

how about we just get edler some wood sticks instead of those toothpicks he has been using and he will get 100pts and be +40 for the year.


Yea, it's rediculous how many sticks him and Kes break. I mean, is a wooden stick that much worse? or atleast give the stick some body, and not thst hollow garbage.

Atleast for those two anyway.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:47 PM

This is possible after hearing unsubstantiated rumors of him having "personal issues" the team may deal him off quietly ...
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:02 AM

Edler did get 49 points. I dont think the guy is going anywhere


I am more concerned with defence from our defenders.........if Edler's collateral for a big gritty sniper, like Perry or packaged with Booth/Raymond/Lu/Schneider.........for Perry + (Sbisa) .........then again I'm fine.

We need to get bigger and better in attack and we need to get bigger and better at defending our net minder.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:05 AM

Edler did get 49 points. I dont think the guy is going anywhere


"For Edler to round into a number one, he will have to be consistent and a lot less forgiving of the opposing team getting anywhere near Schneider/Luongo/Lack/whoever ends up starting. He needs to use his size more."

Spot on!

Edited by Bodee, 27 June 2012 - 05:36 AM.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:48 AM

This is possible after hearing unsubstantiated rumors of him having "personal issues" the team may deal him off quietly ...


I have heard something to about a big, big acquistion that Gillis is making. Edler was absent from the final exit media scrum. I have heard rumors elluding to issues.

Gillis sees that the biggest hole is defence and realizes it. By letting go of players like Rome and Gragnani he was opening two roster spaces on defence. One for Justin Schultz and one for someone else.

People say Jason Garrison. I say no. This guy is a one year wonder with not overwhelmingly great stats. Looking for $5 M? Beat it.

Or some talk of Dennis Wideman. Big stay at home defenceman, a little old but reliable. $4.5 M? Maybe.

Mike Green is an RFA and might be available. At $5.25. Is he the foundation to build your team on?

Shea Weber is the logical choice for a defensive acquisition. Yes he comes with a $7.5 M pricetag, but if the Canucks can give Edler and Booth (plus two second rounders for 2013) in a trade we gain an elite, Norris ready defensman. He is the complete defenseman, and someone who could mentor Schultz, Tanev, ....hell Bieksa too. As dangerous as scoring threat with his frightening shot (ask Carey Price) as he was a defensive force using his 6'4" 235 frame to neutralize most intrusions. Except Kesler and some.

If Shea Weber is leaving Nashville, if he has decided that he wants to play elsewhere, you can be sure he's looking at Vancouver as a destination.
  • He plays in the same conference
  • Returns to the province in the off-season
  • Has played with Dan Hamhuis for 7 years, and played with Roberto Luongo during the gold medal run of 2010
  • Knows the team is cup ready with him in the line-up.
He has never played with forwards of this level before. He saw Poile go after aging prospects to prop up the ship/Russian funboys vs. youth. Gaustad, Gill, Radulov, Kostystin.

In Nashville he played with a Vezina finalist.

In Vancouver, he can win his Norris this year with a Hart/Art Ross winner, another Art Ross winner, a Selke winner, and two Jennings winner (one of which has also been nominated for the Vezina), on a team that had one two President's Trophies, and come within one game of the Cup.

Vancouver needs help on defense and are now one full season and some removed from the game seven loss in Vancouver with no solution for it. Gillis will be on the table for Shea Weber if he waives.

Forwards too will be acquired starting very soon. Shane Doan and Brandon Prust may be coming here.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 01:00 AM

A soon to be $8M a year dman who plays every second shift and is looked upon to add offence puts up 1 point in his teams last two series losses and a minus. A PP QB who's team couldn't score on the PP.

It's always fun when some teams leaders get applauded for playing well despite losing annually while others get strung up and crucified.

Kryten, the true epidemic on this site is the people that somehow watch EVERY GAME in EVERY LEAGUE on the planet and think they have a sensible opinion on every player who played.


I bolded a very important word in your first paragraph.

As for your final paragraph, IMO the tell-tale sign that a poster has no clue what they are talking about and thus have an unsensible opinion: they quote stats they find on the internet. I try to avoid these people but alas, I am not always successful.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:39 AM

Justin Schultz is far too small for this team.............come on GET REAL!
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:42 AM

I have heard something to about a big, big acquistion that Gillis is making. Edler was absent from the final exit media scrum. I have heard rumors elluding to issues.

Gillis sees that the biggest hole is defence and realizes it. By letting go of players like Rome and Gragnani he was opening two roster spaces on defence. One for Justin Schultz and one for someone else.

People say Jason Garrison. I say no. This guy is a one year wonder with not overwhelmingly great stats. Looking for $5 M? Beat it.

Or some talk of Dennis Wideman. Big stay at home defenceman, a little old but reliable. $4.5 M? Maybe.

Mike Green is an RFA and might be available. At $5.25. Is he the foundation to build your team on?

Shea Weber is the logical choice for a defensive acquisition. Yes he comes with a $7.5 M pricetag, but if the Canucks can give Edler and Booth (plus two second rounders for 2013) in a trade we gain an elite, Norris ready defensman. He is the complete defenseman, and someone who could mentor Schultz, Tanev, ....hell Bieksa too. As dangerous as scoring threat with his frightening shot (ask Carey Price) as he was a defensive force using his 6'4" 235 frame to neutralize most intrusions. Except Kesler and some.

If Shea Weber is leaving Nashville, if he has decided that he wants to play elsewhere, you can be sure he's looking at Vancouver as a destination.

  • He plays in the same conference
  • Returns to the province in the off-season
  • Has played with Dan Hamhuis for 7 years, and played with Roberto Luongo during the gold medal run of 2010
  • Knows the team is cup ready with him in the line-up.
He has never played with forwards of this level before. He saw Poile go after aging prospects to prop up the ship/Russian funboys vs. youth. Gaustad, Gill, Radulov, Kostystin.

In Nashville he played with a Vezina finalist.

In Vancouver, he can win his Norris this year with a Hart/Art Ross winner, another Art Ross winner, a Selke winner, and two Jennings winner (one of which has also been nominated for the Vezina), on a team that had one two President's Trophies, and come within one game of the Cup.

Vancouver needs help on defense and are now one full season and some removed from the game seven loss in Vancouver with no solution for it. Gillis will be on the table for Shea Weber if he waives.

Forwards too will be acquired starting very soon. Shane Doan and Brandon Prust may be coming here.


I stopped reading when you called Dennis Wideman a stay at home dman.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:53 AM

No, not, never.

We need to address defence. If we are to trade Edler it would be for a better defenceman.


Perry is the fit. I don't know about Getzlaf. I would rather Perry was up with the Sedins. I'm convinced his output would be new PB.
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