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Who is a better Defenseman Bieksa or Phaneuf?


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#1 Pasific Coluseum

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:27 AM

Not who would you rather have on your team but who is overall the better D man.
Contracts, injuries, accolades left aside who is the general consensus more talented player?

Both players play a very physical game. Both aren't considered the most technically sound in their own zone.

I was just thinking if maybe Toronto forked over

To Van:
-Phaneuf
-Kadri
-Colborne
-Kulemin

To Tor:
-Luongo
-Bieksa
-Raymond
-2nd 2013

Would that make any sense?

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:29 AM

not imo
Juice is head and shoulders better than the pylon
take Phaneuf, Bieksa and the 2nd out of the deal
What happened to Kulemin? He's a left winger - Canucks don't really need another.
Kadri isn't really that attractive either - where would he fit in? Not good enough to be a 2nd line center (and we have a pretty good one), not physical enough and not a two way center to fit in the bottom 6 Pass on him as well.
Colborne would be the one Leaf of interest, but Florida has better.
Leafs can't have Luongo. Suck it Leafs.


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:31 AM

Phaneuf is a plug.

Your post angers me

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:32 AM

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:32 AM

You must be a Leafs fan or a troll.

I wouldn't be interested in any of those Leafs players, besides Bieksa is a badass so keep dreaming.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:32 AM

Just the fact alone that Kevin is probably the most popular guy in the room is enough to say no to that trade.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:34 AM

bieksa for phagoof???...NEVER!!!!

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:35 AM

Bieksa is inconsistent and I hate on him all of the time, but without a shadow of a doubt, Juice is 100 times the d-man that phaneuf will ever be.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:36 AM

not imo
Juice is head and shoulders better than the pylon

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:42 AM

not imo
Juice is head and shoulders better than the pylon
take Phaneuf, Bieksa and the 2nd out of the deal
What happened to Kulemin? He's a left winger - Canucks don't really need another.
Kadri isn't really that attractive either - where would he fit in? Not good enough to be a 2nd line center (and we have a pretty good one, not physical of enough of a two way center to fit in the bottom 6) Pass on him as well.
Colborne would be the one Leaf of interest, but Florida has better.
Leafs can't have Luongo. Suck it Leafs.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:49 AM


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:50 AM

I don't think any Canuck or hockey fan could have said it better!

Phaneuf is a plug.

Your post angers me


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:51 AM

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:51 AM

Why is everyone in love with Khadri? he scores on brodeur in a shoot out and now hes a golden boy?
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:54 AM

Not who would you rather have on your team but who is overall the better D man.
Contracts, injuries, accolades left aside who is the general consensus more talented player?

Both players play a very physical game. Both aren't considered the most technically sound in their own zone.

I was just thinking if maybe Toronto forked over

To Van:
-Phaneuf
-Kadri
-Colborne
-Kulemin

To Tor:
-Luongo
-Bieksa
-Raymond
-2nd 2013

Would that make any sense?


Toronto gives up way too much.

Phaneuf is better than Bieksa. Hate Kadri or not, both him and Colbourne are intriguing prospects and Kulemin is a perfect 3rd/2nd line center who plays a two-way game. Scored 30 goals just a year ago.

Leafs would be ruined.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:00 AM

Why is everyone in love with Khadri? he scores on brodeur in a shoot out and now hes a golden boy?

Kadri was a 7th overall pick in 2009. Played for Canada in the world juniors in 2010. Every year he's played in the AHL he has played 44-48 games and has 40 or more points. He's a pretty good prospect and would probably be are best prospect if we acquired him.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:02 AM



Bieksa will retire a Canuck

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:08 AM

I would never consider trading Juice for that plug.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:20 AM

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:21 AM

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The one good thing i can say is that at least he got rid of his ridiculous fohawk

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:23 AM

I'm sorry, but I honestly can't believe what I'm reading here.
I wouldn't make that trade, but as much as I like Bieksa, Phaneuf is a better defence man.
The guy hits like a truck, has a cannon of a shot, and recently has really rounded out his game minimizing on all the missed hits and defensive gaffs.
This thread pretty much summarizes the bias some of our fans have for our players. To say Bieksa is better is one thing, they are fairly close in skill, but some of these comparisons are ridiculous.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:23 AM

Bieksa may be reckless/inconsistent, but I'd keep him over Phaneuf

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:37 AM

The one good thing i can say is that at least he got rid of his ridiculous fohawk


Hey now, don't bash the fauxhawk.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:43 AM

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:49 AM

guys you have to look at this through a organisation that wants to win point of view instead of a Vancouver points of view. Phaneuf is better than Bieksa not by a lot but he is better defensively and offensively.

But i wouldn't make that trade because Canucks dont need to trade away a dmen for a dmen just to get a bunch of pieces that wont even fit into our lineup

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:49 AM

It's tough to judge who's better overall, as they're each good at different things. I believe that as an individual player Phaneuf has slightly more offensive skill and aggression and he's somewhat like a Chris Pronger in terms of how he plays, but he's not known to be as defensively reliable as Bieksa, who in his own right is also offensively capable, though maybe slightly less so than Dion.

Just for his defensive consistency though (his time with Edler notwithstanding), I think Bieksa is the better overall defenseman.

As for the rest of your post, OP, I'm not so sold on Kadri's potential anymore, to the point that I'm not even sure that I would trade Raymond for him. Colborne and Kulemin are interesting players, both solid, and Nik gives this team a player who could become Kes' play maker should Hansen stay on the 3rd line. That said, I'm not sure that I would want to trade Lu for these two forwards alone.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:54 AM

Shhhhhh ! Juice ain't EVER going Any Where !

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 01:30 PM

Toronto gives up way too much.

Phaneuf is better than Bieksa. Hate Kadri or not, both him and Colbourne are intriguing prospects and Kulemin is a perfect 3rd/2nd line center who plays a two-way game. Scored 30 goals just a year ago.

Leafs would be ruined.


Just saying Phaneuf is better than Bieksa without giving any objective evidence is just plain BS. You should at least try to back up your opinion with some kind of objective measurement. Bieksa and Phaneuf both got 44 points, tied for twelfth among defencemen, but Bieksa was +12 and Phaneuf -10 - a difference in +/- of 22, however Bieksa, unlike Phaneuf, did not play first unit PP to inflate his stats. Among defencemen playing even strength, Bieksa was second among D's in the entire league, while Phaneuf was 35th.

No comparison, Bieksa is far better than Phaneuf.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 01:37 PM

Phaneuf over Bieksa but I'd rather have both of them ;)

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